Shams Says John Collins Is Obtainable...

[PAOBoston]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our next big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a stretch big/PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Imo, Wood would have been the perfect 3rd option in our system. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he's an elite PnR player on both sides of the court, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

No, I don't see it that way because Collins is not a ball-handler / self-creator.

He gets a lot of his points off of the PnR which will create instant interplay between Collins & Tatum / Jaylen -- creating and adding to chemistry (as opposed to hurting it). He also gets points off of transition and offensive rebounds which adds to offensive variety (easy high value points in the paint) and again does not interfere which Tatum or Jaylen.

His main one-on-one play is off of post ups which will take the ball out of our two main guys hands but all good scorers will take it out of their hands some. The question is how much -- and in Collins' case, I see very little. Certainly nothing to be concerned about.

On the defensive end, I am in line with GreenEnvy. I am higher on Collins' physical tools and capacity to become a solid or better defensive player. I see him as a two-way player long term.

I'm responding here cause the other thread is about Harrison Barnes.

What's the point in having a score-first overpaid star who'd be mostly playing off the ball behind the Jays? Sure, Collins is a PnR threat, but he also demands plenty of touches in the paint. If you love his PnR game, wouldn't we be better off with a PnR specialist? For instance, Jarrett Allen scores 1.41 PPP out of the PnR this season, plus he protects the rim. Mo Wagner scores a whopping 1.67 PPP out of the PnR, plus he can shoot the 3. Chris Boucher scores 1.30 PPP out of the PnR, plus he can shoot the 3 and protect the rim! All 3 of them would be perfectly happy in a complementary role and they'd be relatively cheap. Collins scores 1.11 PPP out of the PnR this season. He can shoot the 3. He cannot protect the rim. He demands touches in the paint. At the same time, he'd be massively overpaid, especially given his role. Remember the days of the big 3 in Cleveland? The Cavs were paying Love max money, yet they were using him as a weak side shooter!

Btw, Brown cannot create shots for his teammates as a PnR ball handler. He's more of a drive-and-kick facilitator.

Jaret Allen is an upcoming FA. He’s going to get paid and Cleveland is going to give it to him. Mo Wagner play like 10 mins a game and is not very good. Boucher is breaking out this year and will likely require a decent package to obtain but he’s also late into his 20s already. Collins is a better talent than all of those guys and more than deserving to be a #3 guy. He’s on the same time line as JB and JT. Collins makes a lot of sense.

He makes very little sense to me for all the reasons I mentioned above. Not to mention, we cannot afford 4 max/close-to-max contracts going forward. The luxury tax would explode through the roof next season. Chances are we'd have to dump Kemba for cap relief. For the record, I'm all for dumping Kemba's contract. I just don't know whether it will be possible without having to sacrifice asset(s) in the process. Hopefully, it will be possible during the offseason.

Agreed on Allen being practically untouchable. I mentioned him and Christian Wood as 2 missed opportunities on our part to acquire our long-term solution at Center.

The luxury tax issue doesn’t really bother me. Kemba is on the books for two more years. The Cs offered Hayward 4/$100 mil so clearly they didn’t mind the luxury tax going into the season.

[Roy H.]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.   

[Silas]

This team needs either Collins or Barnes.  Maybe both!

[Jvalin]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

[Moranis]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

[nickagneta]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Can't argue about this. Moranis is spot on with this one. This team needs more talent and adding someone like Collins, now, with only having to give up a couple young prospects and picks, is a no brainier. Turn potential into production.

Then, when Stevens goes into his substitution patterns, he can have Kemba and Jaylen lead one crew with Smart and Collins and Tatum run the other crew with Pritchard. Of course, all four stars play together at the beginning and end of halves.

I think all four could "get theirs" while significantly increasing scoring efficiency and consistency throughout the game and having intelligent playmakers like Payton and Marcus as part of those substitution patterns balances everything out.

As I said, adding Collins, to me, is a no brainier.

[Jvalin]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to go after him.

[Roy H.]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to trade for him.

I just don’t get the “bad fit” argument.  An athletic PF who can score from every level and who is a good rebounder and decent defender would be like manna from heaven.

We have two flaws on offense:  lack of ball movement, and the ability to score when jumpers aren’t falling. Collins take some of the burden off of Marcus and Kemba, allowing them to focus more on distribution than scoring. More importantly, he is a dominant player at scoring inside buckets, while also providing excellent spacing.  Teams couldn’t double off of him, and he’d force mismatches both inside and on the perimeter.

Sure, we also need role players, but let’s lock down an elite core first.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

It’s too bad they have no use for Kemba.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to trade for him.

I just don’t get the “bad fit” argument.  An athletic PF who can score from every level and who is a good rebounder and decent defender would be like manna from heaven.

Sure, we also need role players, but let’s lock down an elite core first.

I’m with you on this. I’d give up our ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st and ‘25 1st with swaps on ‘22 and ‘24, including Nesmith or Langford, if that’s what it took to get Collins. He’s only 23 and he’s averaging a double-double already. Perfect number three guy in a Big 3 with the Super Jay Bros.

[Sophomore]

What about Nesmith (very recent lotto pick) and our 1st - a pick that could be destined for the lottery with how we're playing

I’m high on Nesmith’s potential, but in a heartbeat.

If Wyc is willing to pay a huge tax bill next year and ATL takes that offer, sure. But they’ll get a better offer from someone else, won’t they? A 14th pick having trouble adjusting and a late first?

[ausbacker]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to trade for him.

I just don’t get the “bad fit” argument.  An athletic PF who can score from every level and who is a good rebounder and decent defender would be like manna from heaven.

We have two flaws on offense:  lack of ball movement, and the ability to score when jumpers aren’t falling. Collins take some of the burden off of Marcus and Kemba, allowing them to focus more on distribution than scoring. More importantly, he is a dominant player at scoring inside buckets, while also providing excellent spacing.  Teams couldn’t double off of him, and he’d force mismatches both inside and on the perimeter.

Sure, we also need role players, but let’s lock down an elite core first.

Whether we choose to accept it or not, the NBA is talent driven and the more top end talent we have, the better. I've been on the Collins as a perfect complement for a while which means I'm all for acquiring him. Let the low-priced ring chasing veterans fill out the bench.

[Jvalin]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to trade for him.

I just don’t get the “bad fit” argument.  An athletic PF who can score from every level and who is a good rebounder and decent defender would be like manna from heaven.

We have two flaws on offense:  lack of ball movement, and the ability to score when jumpers aren’t falling. Collins take some of the burden off of Marcus and Kemba, allowing them to focus more on distribution than scoring. More importantly, he is a dominant player at scoring inside buckets, while also providing excellent spacing.  Teams couldn’t double off of him, and he’d force mismatches both inside and on the perimeter.

Sure, we also need role players, but let’s lock down an elite core first.

I expanded on this in my previous posts. Long story short, all 3 of Tatum, Brown and Collins are score-first players. Collins would have to adjust in a complementary role behind the Jays. With this in mind, imo we'd be better off targeting an off-ball specialist. He'd be super efficient feeding off of the Jays, plus he'd be perfectly happy to play 3rd fiddle. Imo, Collins would be a bad fit in our defensive system as well. He ain't got the lateral quickness to switch ball screens on the perimeter.

[Moranis]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to go after him.

First, I don't actually believe Boston had enough talent in 18/19.  I've been pretty vocal about that.  Second, even if Boston was a legit contender in 19, it had way more talent than the current team has.  Walker from Irving is a talent downgrade.  Horford and Hayward quite simply weren't replaced.  And yes Tatum and Brown are better than they were, but no where near to make up the talent lost elsewhere.  Third, as Roy pretty succinctly stated, Collins is a near perfect compliment to Tatum and Brown, and he actually allows them to play at their natural positions and gives Boston a lot more length in the starting lineup. 

The trade I keep coming back to is this one

Boston - Barnes, Collins
Atlanta - Smart, Langford, Edwards, Whiteside, BOS 21 1st, BOS 23 1st (lotto)
Sacramento - Snell, Nesmith, Huerter

I think that is a good trade for all 3 teams and would achieve what I think their respective goals would be in making the trade.  I have no idea if Sacramento would move on from Barnes, though I think they should, as he is a solid 4th option type player and they don't need to be paying a 4th option big money when their team clearly isn't good enough.

Boston would have 2 open roster spots and be about 15 million away from the apron and would have the TPE to use to potentially fill out the roster (along with the buy out market), but even if they didn't, I think a starting unit of Walker, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, and Collins would cause opposing teams a lot of problems.  The bench needs a wing, but otherwise looks a lot better when you have Theis and Thompson on it instead of starting plus Williams, Williams, Pritchard, Ojeleye, and Teague (Green, Waters, and Fall can be in suits every night).

[Roy H.]

The difference between Collins as compared to Allen, Wagner and Boucher.  Collins can score the ball consistently, every game.

We need more scoring.  Despite having two stars, our offense is below average.  As we learned last year, our team can accommodate three, or even four, primary scorers.

Hayward kept everyone involved on offense, hence he kept everyone happy. The way I see it, Collins only cares about his own shots.

Imo, we need more passing and shooting, not more scoring. An off-ball specialist can give us a consistent offensive boost and he wouldn't be taking shots away from the Jays. For instance, Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Gary Trent Jr, Joe Harris, Otto Porter (he'd be my ideal buyout candidate), prime JJ Redick/Kyle Korver etc. Not saying these guys are available. Just listing some names off the top of my head. Hopefully, Nesmith will make that list one day.

I'd also be happy with a point forward in the mold of Hayward or Joe Ingles, but this type of players are hard to find.

Boston needs talent.  The team as currently constructed just doesn't have enough to ever really and truly compete for a title.  Adding Collins (and then keeping him) goes a very long way to bridging the talent gap needed for Boston to be an actual and realistic contender.

Boston had more than enough talent in 2018/19, yet we were a dysfunctional team. Just because we need talent, it doesn't mean we should go after whomever talented player might become available. I mean, it's not like we are building from scratch. We already got (at least) 2 building blocks in Tatum and Brown. Imo, we gotta build the team around them. Basketball-wise, I believe Collins would be a bad fit next to the Jays. At the same time, he's about to become overpaid. I wouldn't want us to go after him.

First, I don't actually believe Boston had enough talent in 18/19.  I've been pretty vocal about that.  Second, even if Boston was a legit contender in 19, it had way more talent than the current team has.  Walker from Irving is a talent downgrade.  Horford and Hayward quite simply weren't replaced.  And yes Tatum and Brown are better than they were, but no where near to make up the talent lost elsewhere.  Third, as Roy pretty succinctly stated, Collins is a near perfect compliment to Tatum and Brown, and he actually allows them to play at their natural positions and gives Boston a lot more length in the starting lineup. 

The trade I keep coming back to is this one

Boston - Barnes, Collins
Atlanta - Smart, Langford, Edwards, Whiteside, BOS 21 1st, BOS 23 1st (lotto)
Sacramento - Snell, Nesmith, Huerter

I think that is a good trade for all 3 teams and would achieve what I think their respective goals would be in making the trade.  I have no idea if Sacramento would move on from Barnes, though I think they should, as he is a solid 4th option type player and they don't need to be paying a 4th option big money when their team clearly isn't good enough.

Boston would have 2 open roster spots and be about 15 million away from the apron and would have the TPE to use to potentially fill out the roster (along with the buy out market), but even if they didn't, I think a starting unit of Walker, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, and Collins would cause opposing teams a lot of problems.  The bench needs a wing, but otherwise looks a lot better when you have Theis and Thompson on it instead of starting plus Williams, Williams, Pritchard, Ojeleye, and Teague (Green, Waters, and Fall can be in suits every night).

I think we’d all love that deal, but would Wyc pay for that roster?