What would you be willing to give up for Harrison Barnes?

[Who]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

[PhoSita]

No chance am I trading Smart to get Barnes.

That's cutting off your hand to save half of your foot.

[Jvalin]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our next big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a stretch big/PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Imo, Wood would have been the perfect 3rd option in our system. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he's an elite PnR player on both sides of the court, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

[GreenEnvy]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our 3rd big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Obviously, Wood is way more than just a PnR specialist. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

Collins has the tools to become a very well-rounded defender. He can play inside or out, and is a strong rebounder (especially when not next to Capela). I don’t know if his personality/ego would fit here, as supposedly he isn’t too fond of taking a backseat to Young, so I don’t know how he’d like being behind Tatum and Brown.

But he’s talented enough to pay. He’s definitely not a facilitator, but he can do pretty much everything else. With some help, I think he can be a plus defender.

[Jvalin]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our 3rd big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Obviously, Wood is way more than just a PnR specialist. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

Collins has the tools to become a very well-rounded defender. He can play inside or out, and is a strong rebounder (especially when not next to Capela). I don’t know if his personality/ego would fit here, as supposedly he isn’t too fond of taking a backseat to Young, so I don’t know how he’d like being behind Tatum and Brown.

But he’s talented enough to pay. He’s definitely not a facilitator, but he can do pretty much everything else. With some help, I think he can be a plus defender.

Don't see it mate. At the very least, he ain't got the physical tools to play defense. He's 6'8.25" w/o shoes with a 6'11.25" wingspan. That's nothing special in my book. He ain't mobile enough to stay in front of explosive swings. He ain't long enough to protect the rim. He allows 1.00 PPP when defending the PnR this season, which ranks in the 43rd percentile. Not sure what he brings to the table on the defensive side of the ball.

[Csfan1984]

GW, and a first.

[gouki88]

I am of the minority opinion that Barnes is overpaid and not what we need.  I don't really want him at all.  To me, he has always been a bit of a tease.  Looks good on paper but then doesn't come through when you need it the most.  He has a diminishing contract but if we get him, it means tax for the duration of his contract with Tatum's max contract kicking in.

If it is true that it is a sellers market and that someone is going to have to overpay or at least outbid others to get players like this, then I say pass.  It seems the absolute minimum we could do is trade Thompson just for salary purposes.  I am not sure I would even want to do that.  But it would probably be Thompson plus picks or young players so I say no thanks.  Let someone else over pay in a trade for the opportunity to pay him for the next 3 seasons.

This to me seems to be an oddly harsh take on Barnes. He's not elite, but nobody is pretending he is. He knows what it takes to win, having been a starter on title contending teams, but he has also made significant improvements to his game since then. He's a solid shooter from deep, is a versatile strong defender, and has made a significant improvement to his passing this year.

I feel like there is almost no chance we find someone who can provide the 16 points and 5 rebounds on good efficiency in the middle of the first round. Barnes addresses a gaping need, and his contract is depreciating. He's also durable, which is another thing this team needs.

I'd be pretty comfortable giving up Thompson, Langford / 1st rounder and an additional top 10 protected 1st for Barnes. Would have the added effect of cleaning up our big-man rotation.

[Who]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our next big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a stretch big/PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Imo, Wood would have been the perfect 3rd option in our system. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he's an elite PnR player on both sides of the court, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

No, I don't see it that way because Collins is not a ball-handler / self-creator.

He gets a lot of his points off of the PnR which will create instant interplay between Collins & Tatum / Jaylen -- creating and adding to chemistry (as opposed to hurting it). He also gets points off of transition and offensive rebounds which adds to offensive variety (easy high value points in the paint) and again does not interfere which Tatum or Jaylen.

His main one-on-one play is off of post ups which will take the ball out of our two main guys hands but all good scorers will take it out of their hands some. The question is how much -- and in Collins' case, I see very little. Certainly nothing to be concerned about.

On the defensive end, I am in line with GreenEnvy. I am higher on Collins' physical tools and capacity to become a solid or better defensive player. I see him as a two-way player long term.

[gouki88]

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

Oh yeah, I'd give up the house for John Collins. Anything outside of Tatum & Jaylen is on the table. Multiple prospects, multiple picks, Smart. Find a package that works.

Collins would be amazing. To have him long term as the 3rd option next to Jaylen and Tatum gives Boston the nucleus of a title contender for the next 10 years. That is worth giving up a whole lot to make happen.

He'd do great alongside Theis as well. Chemistry wise.

Wouldn't want us to go after Collins. The way I see it, he's a one-dimensional player who's about to become overpaid. Thanks, but no thanks. I'd have zero interest in sacrificing trade assets for the right to overpay Collins during the offseason. The C's already got 2 go-to scorers in Tatum and Brown. Don't think we need a third score-first star. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we'd end up a dysfunctional team like we were in 2018/19 with Kyrie, Tatum and Brown.

If you ask me, our next big contract going forward should be a team oriented player. Either a point forward in the mold of Hayward or a stretch big/PnR specialist who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. Unfortunately, we already missed on Christian Wood and Jarrett Allen. Imo, Wood would have been the perfect 3rd option in our system. He can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot, he can shoot the 3, he's a terrific cutter, he's an elite PnR player on both sides of the court, he plays D on the perimeter, he protects the rim, you name it. Oh well...

No, I don't see it that way because Collins is not a ball-handler / self-creator.

He gets a lot of his points off of the PnR which will create instant interplay between Collins & Tatum / Jaylen -- creating and adding to chemistry (as opposed to hurting it). He also gets points off of transition and offensive rebounds which adds to offensive variety (easy high value points in the paint) and again does not interfere which Tatum or Jaylen.

His main one-on-one play is off of post ups which will take the ball out of our two main guys hands but all good scorers will take it out of their hands some. The question is how much -- and in Collins' case, I see very little. Certainly nothing to be concerned about.

On the defensive end, I am in line with GreenEnvy. I am higher on Collins' physical tools and capacity to become a solid or better defensive player. I see him as a two-way player long term.

If Brad Stevens can turn some particularly unathletic big-men into passable defenders he'd be able to help Collins too.

His super-efficient offence would be verrrry welcome

[footey]

I think Barnes is a better fit for us. I see Collins taking time away from Theis and Rob. Ideally I want Rob or Theis on the floor at all times. One of Kemba or Pritchard or Smart at all times. And 3 of Jaylen, Jayson, Smart and Barnes on the floor, with sprinkle of Semi or G Will. When size needed, Smart at the PG spot with Js, Barnes and Theis or Rob. That would be a very switchable lineup. I don’t see the same fluidity with Collins. Plus Barnes has better cost controlled contract. Seems more mature guy too.

[Moranis]

Trade I think makes sense where it doesn't cost us the TPE (and isn't my go to favorite trade involving Collins and Barnes)

1st trade
Boston - Robinson (into Poirer TPE)
Sacramento - 2021 2nd Rounder

2nd trade
Boston - James, Jeffries (into Kanter TPE)
Sacramento - 2022 2nd Rounder, 2023 2nd Rounder

3rd trade
Boston - Barnes, Whiteside
Sacramento - Theis, Nesmith, L. Williams, Kabengale, Patterson, BOS 21 1st, BOS Cash
Los Angeles - Thompson, Teague


So final summary
Boston In - Barnes, Robinson, Whiteside, James, Jeffries
Boston Out - Thompson, Teague, Nesmith, Theis, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd, Cash

Sacramento In - Theis, Nesmith, Williams, Kabengale, Patterson, 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd, Cash
Sacramento Out - Barnes, Robinson, Whiteside, James, Jeffries, 1.6 TPE, 3.0 TPE

Los Angeles In - Thompson, Teague
Los Angeles Out - Kabengale, Williams, Patterson

Boston cuts Javonte Green or finds a different team to take him

Boston Roster post trade
Starters - Walker, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Whiteside
Rotation - Pritchard, Smart, Robinson, Williams, Ojeleye, Williams
Deep Bench - Langford, Edwards, James
Suits - Waters, Fall, Jeffries

Boston could use another big guy after these trades (and still has the full TPE to do it and about 7 million under the apron, plus still has some young players and all but the 21 1st available), but this would be much more about the long term rather than this season, and I think it would really force RW to play and see what he can turn into.  Is he a potential starting center, I don't think anyone knows.  He would get more minutes open to him with this trade. 

So I'd do this trade to get Barnes who I think would be a very nice fit in the longer term around Tatum and Brown.  Barnes would also open the possibility of a Smart trade and I'd certainly look at moving Walker at some point (this summer for sure) and see what I could come up with.  The team needs pieces that will actually contribute to a title winner when Tatum and Brown are truly ready to lead the team where it wants to go. 

[SHAQATTACK]

kemba

[footey]

Kings have lost the last 5 games, and are currently out of the top 10 play in spots.

Their next 5 games are on the road, including vs the Bucks and Nets.

It is quite conceivable that by the all star break, they will decide to be sellers and tank it out.

Fingers crossed that Barnes then becomes available at a reasonable cost.

[vjcsmoke]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

[RodyTur10]

Not much.  Barnes is making 20m per year and he's not even an above average NBA starter.  he's a TT level player who can play out on the wing.  And TT was a mistake even at 10m per year.

If you're going to pay 20M plus per year for a player, you need to land a star.  That's going to be a big guy in the Vucevic or Collins tier of talent.

We could go super high in the tax.

3x (near) max contract: Brown, Tatum + one of Walker/Vucevic/Collins
2x 20M+ : Smart, Barnes