What would you be willing to give up for Harrison Barnes?

[footey]

I realize this is not an exhausted list of choices, but thought I'd at least frame the discussion as best as I could. I think it will come down to whether or not we are willing to include Marcus Smart that will determine if we are to get Harrison Barnes. 

Not sure how I feel about this.  On the one hand, Marcus' intangibles are legend. On the other hand, we have two young guys in Romeo and Nesmith who reasonably could project to surpass Marcus' offensive value within the next 2-3 years, and defensively provide decent value.

The picks kind of fill in the gaps.

Look forward to your comments!

[NKY fan]

If Sacto does it for Timelord and Nesmith I would say go for it. If they want picks on top of that (which they will) I would say there is no sense to do it.
I think we are kinda stuck with what we have . We never “mortgaged” the future when we had better talent I don’t see why mortgage it now when we only have 2 good and 3 average players.

[wdleehi]

Not Smart.

Langford, Nesmith or one of the Williams.  One 1st round pick.   All the 2nd rounders they want. 

Hey, if they like Edwards, Green or Teague, no extra cost.

[colincb]

Is Nesmith and  Landford + picks without Smart even doable?

[Roy H.]

TPE + two #1s

[Birdman]

Smart & Thompson for Barnes & Whiteside works in trade machine

[liam]

Yeah, I'd do the two firsts and one young player.

[nickagneta]

Thompson, TPE and two picks.

Sending out Thompson keeps C's under the luxury tax and opens up Theis to more exclusive center minutes and Timelord for the back up minutes which he desperately needs to develop.

Maybe the C's cut Green to bring in a better option for the 3rd string center than Tacko or Grant Williams. I think Bismack Biyumbo and Ian Mahinmi are still available for that much reduced role going forward.

[Goldstar88]

I realize this is not an exhausted list of choices, but thought I'd at least frame the discussion as best as I could. I think it will come down to whether or not we are willing to include Marcus Smart that will determine if we are to get Harrison Barnes. 

Not sure how I feel about this.  On the one hand, Marcus' intangibles are legend. On the other hand, we have two young guys in Romeo and Nesmith who reasonably could project to surpass Marcus' offensive value within the next 2-3 years, and defensively provide decent value.

The picks kind of fill in the gaps.

Look forward to your comments!

So are Romeo and Nesmith going to replace Smarts leadership, elite defense and passing ability? He’s the best passer and defender on the team. Since he’s been out there has been no leadership on the court.

[Jvalin]

I bet most teams (if not all of them) are losing money this season due to covid. It's possible that plenty of teams will be looking to mitigate their financial loses at the trade deadline by dumping salary for cap relief. First team that comes to mind is the Warriors.

Don't get the fascination for Barnes. Imo, he's overpaid. The absolute most I'd be willing to offer would be our 2021 first + Thompson (good riddance). If my math is correct, the Kings would save $12,957,909 in salary and the C's would end up $1,415,413 below the tax line. Not even sure I'd do that tbh. My opening bid would probably be Edwards + Thompson. The Kings would still save about $11.5 million which is nothing to sneeze at in the midst of a recession.

[Jiri Welsch]

I bet most teams (if not all of them) are losing money this season due to covid. It's possible that plenty of teams will be looking to mitigate their financial loses at the trade deadline by dumping salary for cap relief. First team that comes to mind is the Warriors.

Don't get the fascination for Barnes. Imo, he's overpaid. The absolute most I'd be willing to offer would be our 2021 first + Thompson (good riddance). If my math is correct, the Kings would save $12,957,909 in salary and the C's would end up $1,415,413 below the tax line. Not even sure I'd do that tbh. My opening bid would probably be Edwards + Thompson. The Kings would still save about $11.5 million which is nothing to sneeze at in the midst of a recession.

I think the intrigue around Barnes comes from his consistent scoring, his all-around skillset, his ability to play the 4 against many teams, and the fact that he's smack dab in his prime right now.

Barnes and Collins are very clearly the two guys who would help the Celtics most.

[Jvalin]

I bet most teams (if not all of them) are losing money this season due to covid. It's possible that plenty of teams will be looking to mitigate their financial loses at the trade deadline by dumping salary for cap relief. First team that comes to mind is the Warriors.

Don't get the fascination for Barnes. Imo, he's overpaid. The absolute most I'd be willing to offer would be our 2021 first + Thompson (good riddance). If my math is correct, the Kings would save $12,957,909 in salary and the C's would end up $1,415,413 below the tax line. Not even sure I'd do that tbh. My opening bid would probably be Edwards + Thompson. The Kings would still save about $11.5 million which is nothing to sneeze at in the midst of a recession.

I think the intrigue around Barnes comes from his consistent scoring, his all-around skillset, his ability to play the 4 against many teams, and the fact that he's smack dab in his prime right now.

Barnes and Collins are very clearly the two guys who would help the Celtics most.

Don't get me wrong, he'd definitely help us a lot. He plays a position of need for us, plus he'd be a great fit in our system. My point is he's overpaid. Given that teams operate under a salary cap, overpaid players should have limited trade value (if not negative), especially in the midst of a recession.

[jambr380]

I bet most teams (if not all of them) are losing money this season due to covid. It's possible that plenty of teams will be looking to mitigate their financial loses at the trade deadline by dumping salary for cap relief. First team that comes to mind is the Warriors.

Don't get the fascination for Barnes. Imo, he's overpaid. The absolute most I'd be willing to offer would be our 2021 first + Thompson (good riddance). If my math is correct, the Kings would save $12,957,909 in salary and the C's would end up $1,415,413 below the tax line. Not even sure I'd do that tbh. My opening bid would probably be Edwards + Thompson. The Kings would still save about $11.5 million which is nothing to sneeze at in the midst of a recession.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Thompson and a 1st is about what I would give up and giving up Thompson would be essential to getting the deal done in order to stay under the tax.

Of course feel free to add Edwards/Waters/Tacko/Green. Grant/Semi if you absolutely have to. But again no more than 1st.

I would do Nesmith/TL/Romeo/PP in a Collins deal, but not Barnes.

[Who]

TPE & 1-2 first rounders.

I would trade Nesmith for Barnes but I would not add any further prospects or picks. Nesmith is too valuable. Give him time, let him develop - he'll be more valuable in future years.

I may substitute Romeo Langford for one of those 2 first round picks. Not because I do not like his talent but because I am nervous about all his injuries. So I am not sure he should be viewed as valuable as he is talented if he can't be depended on due to injury-proneness.

I am not sure if I would trade Smart for Barnes. I lean towards no on that one. I certainly would not be willing to include anything else of value in that package - picks or prospects. It would be a straight up trade. And even then, I am 65-35 no. I would think more on it but I don't think I'd do it.

[Vermont Green]

I am of the minority opinion that Barnes is overpaid and not what we need.  I don't really want him at all.  To me, he has always been a bit of a tease.  Looks good on paper but then doesn't come through when you need it the most.  He has a diminishing contract but if we get him, it means tax for the duration of his contract with Tatum's max contract kicking in.

If it is true that it is a sellers market and that someone is going to have to overpay or at least outbid others to get players like this, then I say pass.  It seems the absolute minimum we could do is trade Thompson just for salary purposes.  I am not sure I would even want to do that.  But it would probably be Thompson plus picks or young players so I say no thanks.  Let someone else over pay in a trade for the opportunity to pay him for the next 3 seasons.