How To Make A Harrison Barnes Trade Work?

[footey]

Easy pass for me if he costs more than Grant and a second rounder . Maybe a first rounder is my max.
I don’t see what he brings that we haven’t tried in the past.
We had Marcus Morris in the past and beside a couple nice games in one playoff run he was more of a distraction and stunting The Js development.
I’m not saying Barnes will have the Morii effect but chances are he won’t add anything more than what Tatum, Brown provide.
Barnes sees himself as a definite starter and he will demand minutes and touches. l don’t see him happy getting inconsistent 15-25 minutes a night in brads game flow management.

I see him more as a Gordon Hayward replacement, but slightly younger, and more content playing 3rd fiddle to the two Js.  I don't think Morris is a good comparison.  Barnes has better ball skills than Morris.  Barnes is probably not as good a play maker as Gordon, but he is more athletic, and less injury prone.  You wouldn't give up Nesmith and a 1st for him? I think Nesmith has a future, but  you have to give to get.

He is worth Nesmith and a first (likely even more) but we don’t really need Barnes. That’s my point. But if he costs less than that I don’t see trader Danny passing on Barnes lol

Who is your target then?

[LilRip]

I’d rather get Hield, tbh. Same age as Barnes but he’s more of a shooter and can carry an offense better (which is key for our 2nd unit lineups).

[Moranis]

Speaking of Nesmith and a 1st as the principle of a deal. Would it make more sense to offer that to ATL and see if they bite on a Collins trade? I guess it really depends if they intend on matching any contract offer in RFA, but doing that would actually allow the Cs to keep the entire TPE for this offseason.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Barnes here, but it would pretty much require shedding Thompson in order to do stay under the tax (a pre-requisite as far as I'm concerned). I also consider Collins the best player reasonably available with potential to grow into an All-Star.

I think Boston is going to have to give up Smart as a base for a Collins trade. 

But just for fun, why not both Barnes and Collins (no TPE required)

Boston - Barnes, Collins
Atlanta - Smart, Langford, Edwards, Whiteside, BOS 21 1st, BOS 23 1st (lotto)
Sacramento - Snell, Nesmith, Huerter

Boston post-trade with 2 open roster spots (need a bench SG at least in buy out market or using TPE)
Starters - Walker, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Collins
Main Rotation - Teague/Pritchard, G. Williams/Ojeleye, R. Williams, Theis, Thompson
Deep Bench - Green, Waters, Fall

Now that is a team that I think could do some real damage in the post-season and it adds only 4.3 million in salary so avoiding the tax while keeping the entire TPE in tact.

Love the idea. But I don't think ATL moves Collins,  and I doubt Boston wants to move Smart too lol.

I mean the fact that Smart's still here after all that's transpired probably shows you how much he means to Ainge and the C's (also based on Smart's contract in today's NBA).

I think a Barnes trade though can be really straightforward. Due to his salary I doubt he'd be in high demand around the league, and so the C's can offer something like 1 of Langford/Nesmith + a future unprotected 1st rounder

Yeah I don't know if Atlanta would do that (though I do think the value is pretty solid especially if they aren't going to pay him this summer).  However, I absolutely believe Boston would and doing it that way, Boston doesn't use the TPE at all, so it can use it in the summer, and avoids paying the luxury tax this year, which I think would also be big benefits.

Also, I do think if Boston did that trade it would move Walker in the summer and find a much cheaper player for the position because paying Kemba when you are also paying Brown, Tatum, Barnes, and Collins doesn't make a ton of sense. 

[Sophomore]

I’d rather get Hield, tbh. Same age as Barnes but he’s more of a shooter and can carry an offense better (which is key for our 2nd unit lineups).

You get Barnes to start, not to come off the bench. He’s been to the finals w the warriors. Right now he’s hitting 40% from 3 on good volume - defenses that leave him will pay - and if the defense is scrambling he’s capable of getting to the rim. He’s not great on D but he’s not awful and he’s long.  As a 4th option on your starting lineup, he’d be very, very good. Not bad as a second or third option against bench units, either.

So I’d see him as a solid pickup - someone we could target if we’re trying for the title this year. If I could name my first option, the guy I’d put ahead of him who probably isn’t available but might be, I’d push in all the chips to get anunoby. I’d give a young player of Toronto’s choosing (Romeo, nesmith, grant, whoever) and two firsts. The Js and Anunoby would be the best two-way wing lineup in the league, hands down, and he fits as a complementary player.

[liam]

I saw this trade purposal on https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/03/05/boston-celtics-harrison-barnes-help/

This is a great trade for the Celtics.


CELTICS GET
HARRISON BARNES
NEMANJA BJELICA

KINGS GET
ROMEO LANGFORD
TRISTAN THOMPSON
CARSEN EDWARDS
2021 FIRST-ROUND PICK (TOP-10 PROTECTED)

[tstorey_97]

I think he is a fit on the floor, but not in a deal.

The Celtics aren't desperate. This isn't a moment in time where Ainge has to make a move.

The four game streak was useful as Stevens had the big three play some games together and set up a consistent rotation.

Teague started to carry some offensive load on the court which is significant as it took some off of the J's.

Stevens started to commit more to Robert and it's working.

Pritchard is getting acclimated.

Semi has been Semi which is pretty good.

Thompson has been far better the last 10 games.

Smart will return and thus, strengthen the bench.

I don't care about the rest of the bench as the current rotation seems to be working.

Anyway, does Barnes get us victory in a 7 game series with the Nets/Bucks/Sixers? Barnes makes the Celtics better, but...

Does he do the same against the Lakers? 

Ainge has to take a shot next year. I assume he will with the exception he has this summer and he better get it right.
 

[GreenlyGreeny]

I’m skeptical that we can outbid the Warriors. Got a feeling they’re going to dump Oubre and Wiggins, bring back Barnes and then roll with the original combo of Curry/Thompson/Green/Barnes (that 2014-2016 crew we all loved), and whatever supporting cast they can build in exchange for Oubre/Wiggins. If they were able to win another title with that crew, that would be quite the story and really enhance the legacy of Curry/Thompson since everyone forgets how good they were before they teamed up with Durant.

I’ve kind of accepted we’ve got no chance to compete for a title in 2021, so we might as well hold the TPE and see what kind of player might become disgruntled/available in the off-season. We could get lucky and land a KG (one can dream of KAT, right?)

I’d focus on the Kanter TPE. Wish we could get John Collins for the Kanter TPE and picks (maybe include R. Williams since he’s redundant, on an expiring contract next year, if we’re going to get Collins and pay him the big bucks).

Maybe get Collins with the Kanter TPE/picks/R. Williams, match Collins in the off-season, and then flip him and picks/swaps for KAT?

[CFAN38]

The goal:  trade for Harrison Barnes while staying under the $132.627 million luxury tax.

Current Celtics salary: $118,253,678

Current Barnes salary: $22,215,909

If my math is correct, that leaves us needing to send out at least $7,842,587 in salary to fit Barnes.

What’s our best option?

I would guess that a Barnes trade involved sending out Thompson, Nesmith, 2021 1st and 2023 1st. The kings could then involve a 3rd team and try to swap Thompson for a lesser player and a 2nd.

That should then leave the Cs room to use a smaller TPE to bring in a 3rd big ( or they can try to include whitside into Barnes deal)

[CFAN38]

I’d rather get Hield, tbh. Same age as Barnes but he’s more of a shooter and can carry an offense better (which is key for our 2nd unit lineups).

Barnes is a much better fit as a role player on offense and unlike Hield he provides versatility  on defense. By adding Barnes the Cs would be able to move Smart back to 6th man. Smart coming off the bench allows BS to better stager his offensive initiators.

[Celtics2021]

The goal:  trade for Harrison Barnes while staying under the $132.627 million luxury tax.

Current Celtics salary: $118,253,678

Current Barnes salary: $22,215,909

If my math is correct, that leaves us needing to send out at least $7,842,587 in salary to fit Barnes.

What’s our best option?

I would guess that a Barnes trade involved sending out Thompson, Nesmith, 2021 1st and 2023 1st. The kings could then involve a 3rd team and try to swap Thompson for a lesser player and a 2nd.

That should then leave the Cs room to use a smaller TPE to bring in a 3rd big ( or they can try to include whitside into Barnes deal)

I posted this elsewhere, but:

Celtics In: Harrison Barnes
Celtics Out:  Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Carsen Edwards

Mavericks In: Daniel Theis
Mavericks Out: Josh Green

Kings In: Aaron Nesmith, Carsen Edwards, Josh Green
Kings Out: Harrison Barnes

Kings get 2 rookie 1st rounders, Dallas gets a player who should fit in well with what they’re trying to do (both on the court and having a Euro team).  I’d rather move Thompson than Theis, myself, but Thompson is harder to move and is better for when the C’s need an interior presence than Theis.  I think the Mavs would do this deal, and the Kings don’t need a pick if they’re getting two rookies who we’re just drafted in the teens.

[LilRip]

The goal:  trade for Harrison Barnes while staying under the $132.627 million luxury tax.

Current Celtics salary: $118,253,678

Current Barnes salary: $22,215,909

If my math is correct, that leaves us needing to send out at least $7,842,587 in salary to fit Barnes.

What’s our best option?

I would guess that a Barnes trade involved sending out Thompson, Nesmith, 2021 1st and 2023 1st. The kings could then involve a 3rd team and try to swap Thompson for a lesser player and a 2nd.

That should then leave the Cs room to use a smaller TPE to bring in a 3rd big ( or they can try to include whitside into Barnes deal)

I posted this elsewhere, but:

Celtics In: Harrison Barnes
Celtics Out:  Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Carsen Edwards

Mavericks In: Daniel Theis
Mavericks Out: Josh Green

Kings In: Aaron Nesmith, Carsen Edwards, Josh Green
Kings Out: Harrison Barnes

Kings get 2 rookie 1st rounders, Dallas gets a player who should fit in well with what they’re trying to do (both on the court and having a Euro team).  I’d rather move Thompson than Theis, myself, but Thompson is harder to move and is better for when the C’s need an interior presence than Theis.  I think the Mavs would do this deal, and the Kings don’t need a pick if they’re getting two rookies who we’re just drafted in the teens.

I like this trade for us. Theis is an expiring anyway and will likely command a good price in the market since he’s no longer a secret and has had some real positive performances in the playoffs.

[Somebody]

I’d rather get Hield, tbh. Same age as Barnes but he’s more of a shooter and can carry an offense better (which is key for our 2nd unit lineups).

I'd rather get Barnes so we can play Kemba in the Ginobili role, he'd anchor our second unit much better than Hield.

[gouki88]

I’d rather get Hield, tbh. Same age as Barnes but he’s more of a shooter and can carry an offense better (which is key for our 2nd unit lineups).

I'd rather get Barnes so we can play Kemba in the Ginobili role, he'd anchor our second unit much better than Hield.

Kemba would make a great juiced-up version of LouWill

[GreenlyGreeny]

If the Warriors offer this up, how do we get Barnes (just including the other moves they could make to build up their bench and slightly lower their luxury tax payment since I’m curious about what they could pull off):

https://tradenba.com/trades/LqsVoCNtI

Warriors have a treasure trove of assets. They’re getting Barnes back.

[Jvalin]

Kemba for Barnes + expiring(s)

We'd save $15,732,109 next season, which would help us use the full TPE and still keep our payroll under control.

I bet the Kings would have zero interest in Kemba. Chances are it would have to be a 3-way. Here are some ideas:





Not sure whether I'd do the second trade. I'm low on Hardaway Jr. I'd do it if the Mavs were willing to take Thompson instead of Theis. It would still be a valid trade salary-wise.