Gimme your #1 trade target

[Jvalin]

Let's keep it relatively realistic please. No Luka/Giannis/Kawhi/Jokic/you name it.

I'll go first.

De'Andre Hunter. He's a 3+D type of swing who has shown flashes of shot creation skills. He's also a willing passer. Reminds me a lot of Mikal Bridges, only 2 inches taller and about 2 inches longer. Problem is, why would the Hawks trade him? Well, they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. The C's got an elite guard defender in Marcus Smart.

Smart + minor asset for Hunter + filler would be a valid trade salary-wise.

What would be your #1 trade target?

You think a trade for DeAndre Hunter is relatively realistic, without offering Tatum or Brown?

Yes. The way I see it, Tatum and Brown have no place in this conversation. They are way better players than Hunter. Tatum is younger too.

Don't think Hunter will ever become an All-Star, cause he can't consistently create his own shot. I view him as an elite 3+D type of prospect who can put the ball on the floor a little bit. That's a very useful role player for a contending team or an empty stats guy for a mediocre team. He's also kind of old for a second-year prospect. I mean, he turned 23 last December. How much better can he get? Problem is, the Hawks have zero incentive to trade him. We'd have to either overpay or send them a player they really like. It seems they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. Cam Reddish may be that player, but his game is a work in progress. Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the NBA. I bet the Hawks would love to pair him with Young. They could move Reddish at SF cause he's 6'8''.

Here's a trade idea.

(click on image to enlarge)



Imo, it's an overpay. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger. This would probably be the absolute most I'd be willing to offer. I'm still relatively high on Romeo. If it weren't for his injury, I believe he would have started plenty of games this season. Alternatively, I'd be willing to include Timelord instead of Romeo.

For the record, Kris Dunn comfortably led the league in STL% last season. Imo, he's the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA. Smart is hands down a more versatile/switchable defender.

[todd_days_41]

John Collins if he’s available.

Can someone share (considering this seems to be brought up a lot): other than the Hawks having lots of bigs, why would John Collins be available?

You answered your own question...they have lots of bigs

Generally, you don't simply trade your best one when you have too many (and for no other reason).

[todd_days_41]

Another I'll re-raise is: DeRozen.

He fits into the TPE. Guy is so underrated. Has expanded his range out to 3 (35% this year). He's 12th in the league in assists? Who knew. Averaging 20, 7 and 5.

I'd be interested in what picks package it'd take to acquire him? Expiring contract, though SA may wish to resign him.

But Spurs are headed for a clear changing of the guard, with Aldridge (cooked), Gay and Mills also on expirings..... and Murray, Johnson, Vessell, White, Walker, Jones, etc on the rise. They may want to maximize draft capital from the old guys now.

[Birdman]

Another I'll re-raise is: DeRozen.

He fits into the TPE. Guy is so underrated. Has expanded his range out to 3 (35% this year). He's 12th in the league in assists? Who knew. Averaging 20, 7 and 5.

I'd be interested in what picks package it'd take to acquire him? Expiring contract, though SA may wish to resign him.

But Spurs are headed for a clear changing of the guard, with Aldridge (cooked), Gay and Mills also on expirings..... and Murray, Johnson, Vessell, White, Walker, Jones, etc on the rise. They may want to maximize draft capital from the old guys now.

I can see Ainge going after Gay, Aldridge or DeMar

[Vermont Green]

Another I'll re-raise is: DeRozen.

He fits into the TPE. Guy is so underrated. Has expanded his range out to 3 (35% this year). He's 12th in the league in assists? Who knew. Averaging 20, 7 and 5.

I'd be interested in what picks package it'd take to acquire him? Expiring contract, though SA may wish to resign him.

But Spurs are headed for a clear changing of the guard, with Aldridge (cooked), Gay and Mills also on expirings..... and Murray, Johnson, Vessell, White, Walker, Jones, etc on the rise. They may want to maximize draft capital from the old guys now.

I can see Ainge going after Gay, Aldridge or DeMar

Contracts matter I think.  Here are some examples (all expiring or non-guaranteed next season):

DeRozan            $27.7
Aldridge             $24.0
Gay                   $14.5
T Young             $13.5

Even though in theory, the salary for Aldridge or DeRozan fit the TPE, we are hard capped so we cannot use all of the TPE unless we move salary by some other means.  To get Aldridge or DeRozan probably means somehow trading Smart or Kemba to clear enough room under the hard cap to allow for the larger contract coming in.  I don't see this happening, or at least not happening just to be able to bring in one of these guys.

That is why I think Thad Young is such a good target.  I feel his size and skill set would serve our team well, he can play competitively at either with Swing/PF or as a wing, and I think we could fit him in without exceeding the hard cap, or at least it is close enough that a minor deal could create the needed space.  I feel Rudy Gay is the right type of player also but he has declined significantly from what I can tell.  Young is much better right now.

So if we could get Young:

Walker
Brown
Tatum
Theis
Thompson

Bench:
Pritchard
Smart
Langford (?)
Young
RWilliams

Depth/Injury Insurance
GWilliams
Ojeleye
Teague
Nesmith
Green

Assume maybe Edwards goes out, Waters and Tacko as 2-ways?

[footey]

After last night's game, I need to correct myself:  Harrison Barnes would be a perfect fit for this team.

Real impressed with his ability to shoot the 3, and take it to the cup, and draw fouls.  I probably underestimated him.

I'd prefer him to guys like Gordon or John Collins.  Both those guys seem stiffer, less able to switch onto guards and small forwards.  Barnes is a very switchable guy.  Also Collins is going to seek a large contract in off season, and some fool will pay it. He is likely just a rental. Barnes strikes me as real mature, yet plenty of game left.  Just the right mix of yute (#mycousinvinny) and experience.

But just wonder why on earth the Kings would want to move him? He seems to be fitting in very well there. Drapes on recent podcast pretty much said the same.

[todd_days_41]

To get Aldridge or DeRozan probably means somehow trading Smart or Kemba to clear enough room under the hard cap to allow for the larger contract coming in.

Cs could fit DeRozen (or anyone else up the the full TPE) by shipping out Thompson.

By the way, to be clear I don't have any interest in Aldridge or Gay. I just raised their situation for context on how the SAS front office may be approaching this year's trade deadline.

[Vermont Green]

To get Aldridge or DeRozan probably means somehow trading Smart or Kemba to clear enough room under the hard cap to allow for the larger contract coming in.

Cs could fit DeRozen (or anyone else up the the full TPE) by shipping out Thompson.

By the way, to be clear I don't have any interest in Aldridge or Gay. I just raised their situation for context on how the SAS front office may be approaching this year's trade deadline.

I believe that is correct, but I think we would end up paying tax though.  So we give up on Thompson (somehow) plus pay tax, becoming a repeater, all for half a season of DeRozan?  If you are saying that is possible, then yes, it is but I don't see that as a best option much less a realistic one.  I would rather have Young + Thompson over DeRozan + Tax.

FWIW, I have the Celtics at about $119M in salaries leaving them enough to bring in Thad Young with just using the TPE and we would stay under the Tax threshold.  To me, this is realistic and financially sensible.  I want to see the Celtics spend but I understand that they are not going to go into the tax unless it is for a real blue chip type player.

[footey]

Let's keep it relatively realistic please. No Luka/Giannis/Kawhi/Jokic/you name it.

I'll go first.

De'Andre Hunter. He's a 3+D type of swing who has shown flashes of shot creation skills. He's also a willing passer. Reminds me a lot of Mikal Bridges, only 2 inches taller and about 2 inches longer. Problem is, why would the Hawks trade him? Well, they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. The C's got an elite guard defender in Marcus Smart.

Smart + minor asset for Hunter + filler would be a valid trade salary-wise.

What would be your #1 trade target?

You think a trade for DeAndre Hunter is relatively realistic, without offering Tatum or Brown?

Yes. The way I see it, Tatum and Brown have no place in this conversation. They are way better players than Hunter. Tatum is younger too.

Don't think Hunter will ever become an All-Star, cause he can't consistently create his own shot. I view him as an elite 3+D type of prospect who can put the ball on the floor a little bit. That's a very useful role player for a contending team or an empty stats guy for a mediocre team. He's also kind of old for a second-year prospect. I mean, he turned 23 last December. How much better can he get? Problem is, the Hawks have zero incentive to trade him. We'd have to either overpay or send them a player they really like. It seems they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. Cam Reddish may be that player, but his game is a work in progress. Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the NBA. I bet the Hawks would love to pair him with Young. They could move Reddish at SF cause he's 6'8''.

Here's a trade idea.

(click on image to enlarge)



Imo, it's an overpay. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger. This would probably be the absolute most I'd be willing to offer. I'm still relatively high on Romeo. If it weren't for his injury, I believe he would have started plenty of games this season. Alternatively, I'd be willing to include Timelord instead of Romeo.

For the record, Kris Dunn comfortably led the league in STL% last season. Imo, he's the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA. Smart is hands down a more versatile/switchable defender.

Hunter has become ATL organization's 2nd most prized asset, after Trae Young. It's not just you who has taken note of his improvement; the whole league has.  They are not going to accept any offer from us that does not have Jayson or Jaylen in it, and we are not going to make such an offer.  Proposing trades for him is a waste of time.

[gouki88]

Another I'll re-raise is: DeRozen.

He fits into the TPE. Guy is so underrated. Has expanded his range out to 3 (35% this year). He's 12th in the league in assists? Who knew. Averaging 20, 7 and 5.

I'd be interested in what picks package it'd take to acquire him? Expiring contract, though SA may wish to resign him.

But Spurs are headed for a clear changing of the guard, with Aldridge (cooked), Gay and Mills also on expirings..... and Murray, Johnson, Vessell, White, Walker, Jones, etc on the rise. They may want to maximize draft capital from the old guys now.

I'd love DeRozan. He's a more dynamic passer than Hayward due to his better ball-handling and athleticism, at the cost of shooting, but he'd bring a heap to our offence. I wonder about his contract though, given he's an upcoming FA. If we sent out Kemba and tried to keep DeRozan I wouldn't be upset.

DeRozan is arguably having a career best year. Elite offence combined with solid defence on a team that scraps out wins it probably shouldn't. Good idea

[todd_days_41]

To get Aldridge or DeRozan probably means somehow trading Smart or Kemba to clear enough room under the hard cap to allow for the larger contract coming in.

Cs could fit DeRozen (or anyone else up the the full TPE) by shipping out Thompson.

By the way, to be clear I don't have any interest in Aldridge or Gay. I just raised their situation for context on how the SAS front office may be approaching this year's trade deadline.

I believe that is correct, but I think we would end up paying tax though.  So we give up on Thompson (somehow) plus pay tax, becoming a repeater, all for half a season of DeRozan?  If you are saying that is possible, then yes, it is but I don't see that as a best option much less a realistic one.  I would rather have Young + Thompson over DeRozan + Tax.

FWIW, I have the Celtics at about $119M in salaries leaving them enough to bring in Thad Young with just using the TPE and we would stay under the Tax threshold.  To me, this is realistic and financially sensible.  I want to see the Celtics spend but I understand that they are not going to go into the tax unless it is for a real blue chip type player.

Sorry, I not down on Young -- simply following up your point on financial requirements to use the full TPE. I will say:

• I don't really see how Young moves the needle much -- he's a major journeyman for a reason -- but he does 'fill a need'
• The Cs were prepared to pay the tax for Hayward. Would you rather have DeRozen? Personally, I would. And Cs would have his Bird Rights after the season, so he's not necessarily a rental.

[Smartacus]

To get Aldridge or DeRozan probably means somehow trading Smart or Kemba to clear enough room under the hard cap to allow for the larger contract coming in.

Cs could fit DeRozen (or anyone else up the the full TPE) by shipping out Thompson.

By the way, to be clear I don't have any interest in Aldridge or Gay. I just raised their situation for context on how the SAS front office may be approaching this year's trade deadline.

I believe that is correct, but I think we would end up paying tax though.  So we give up on Thompson (somehow) plus pay tax, becoming a repeater, all for half a season of DeRozan?  If you are saying that is possible, then yes, it is but I don't see that as a best option much less a realistic one.  I would rather have Young + Thompson over DeRozan + Tax.

FWIW, I have the Celtics at about $119M in salaries leaving them enough to bring in Thad Young with just using the TPE and we would stay under the Tax threshold.  To me, this is realistic and financially sensible.  I want to see the Celtics spend but I understand that they are not going to go into the tax unless it is for a real blue chip type player.

Sorry, I not down on Young -- simply following up your point on financial requirements to use the full TPE. I will say:

• I don't really see how Young moves the needle much -- he's a major journeyman for a reason -- but he does 'fill a need'
• The Cs were prepared to pay the tax for Hayward. Would you rather have DeRozen? Personally, I would. And Cs would have his Bird Rights after the season, so he's not necessarily a rental.

Were they though?

I think everyone knew that Hayward was looking for a fresh start. It seems more likely that DA gave him an offer so as to not be insulting but it was always clear that he'd be going to Indy or Charlotte.

Worst comes to worst if Hayward accepted it, gravy we kept our All Star on a reasonable contract (I'm sure DA's offer was nowhere near what he got from Charlotte). If he rejected it, there would be sign and trade possibilities and we can reset the repeater tax.

DA is not going to go into the tax for half a year of a player who might not even fit in well here.

[Jvalin]

Let's keep it relatively realistic please. No Luka/Giannis/Kawhi/Jokic/you name it.

I'll go first.

De'Andre Hunter. He's a 3+D type of swing who has shown flashes of shot creation skills. He's also a willing passer. Reminds me a lot of Mikal Bridges, only 2 inches taller and about 2 inches longer. Problem is, why would the Hawks trade him? Well, they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. The C's got an elite guard defender in Marcus Smart.

Smart + minor asset for Hunter + filler would be a valid trade salary-wise.

What would be your #1 trade target?

You think a trade for DeAndre Hunter is relatively realistic, without offering Tatum or Brown?

Yes. The way I see it, Tatum and Brown have no place in this conversation. They are way better players than Hunter. Tatum is younger too.

Don't think Hunter will ever become an All-Star, cause he can't consistently create his own shot. I view him as an elite 3+D type of prospect who can put the ball on the floor a little bit. That's a very useful role player for a contending team or an empty stats guy for a mediocre team. He's also kind of old for a second-year prospect. I mean, he turned 23 last December. How much better can he get? Problem is, the Hawks have zero incentive to trade him. We'd have to either overpay or send them a player they really like. It seems they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. Cam Reddish may be that player, but his game is a work in progress. Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the NBA. I bet the Hawks would love to pair him with Young. They could move Reddish at SF cause he's 6'8''.

Here's a trade idea.

(click on image to enlarge)



Imo, it's an overpay. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger. This would probably be the absolute most I'd be willing to offer. I'm still relatively high on Romeo. If it weren't for his injury, I believe he would have started plenty of games this season. Alternatively, I'd be willing to include Timelord instead of Romeo.

For the record, Kris Dunn comfortably led the league in STL% last season. Imo, he's the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA. Smart is hands down a more versatile/switchable defender.

Hunter has become ATL organization's 2nd most prized asset, after Trae Young. It's not just you who has taken note of his improvement; the whole league has.  They are not going to accept any offer from us that does not have Jayson or Jaylen in it, and we are not going to make such an offer.  Proposing trades for him is a waste of time.

Agreed on the 2nd most prized asset part. This has more to do with his contract than his skills as a basketball player. Both Tatum and Brown are way better players. Being drafted at #4 means close to nothing. Josh Jackson got drafted at #4 two years before Hunter, yet the Grizzlies let him walk during the offseason. All that matters is what each player brings to the table. Hunter is the 3rd option in Atlanta, but he'd be a role player in our system. Again, he's already 23. How much better can he get? If the Hawks wanna sell high, this may be the time to do it. I would argue that Smart + Romeo is more than fair value for a 23-year-old, 3+D role player under team control for 7-8 seasons (Hunter) and a defensive specialist (Dunn).

[gouki88]

Let's keep it relatively realistic please. No Luka/Giannis/Kawhi/Jokic/you name it.

I'll go first.

De'Andre Hunter. He's a 3+D type of swing who has shown flashes of shot creation skills. He's also a willing passer. Reminds me a lot of Mikal Bridges, only 2 inches taller and about 2 inches longer. Problem is, why would the Hawks trade him? Well, they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. The C's got an elite guard defender in Marcus Smart.

Smart + minor asset for Hunter + filler would be a valid trade salary-wise.

What would be your #1 trade target?

You think a trade for DeAndre Hunter is relatively realistic, without offering Tatum or Brown?

Yes. The way I see it, Tatum and Brown have no place in this conversation. They are way better players than Hunter. Tatum is younger too.

Don't think Hunter will ever become an All-Star, cause he can't consistently create his own shot. I view him as an elite 3+D type of prospect who can put the ball on the floor a little bit. That's a very useful role player for a contending team or an empty stats guy for a mediocre team. He's also kind of old for a second-year prospect. I mean, he turned 23 last December. How much better can he get? Problem is, the Hawks have zero incentive to trade him. We'd have to either overpay or send them a player they really like. It seems they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. Cam Reddish may be that player, but his game is a work in progress. Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the NBA. I bet the Hawks would love to pair him with Young. They could move Reddish at SF cause he's 6'8''.

Here's a trade idea.

(click on image to enlarge)



Imo, it's an overpay. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger. This would probably be the absolute most I'd be willing to offer. I'm still relatively high on Romeo. If it weren't for his injury, I believe he would have started plenty of games this season. Alternatively, I'd be willing to include Timelord instead of Romeo.

For the record, Kris Dunn comfortably led the league in STL% last season. Imo, he's the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA. Smart is hands down a more versatile/switchable defender.

Hunter has become ATL organization's 2nd most prized asset, after Trae Young. It's not just you who has taken note of his improvement; the whole league has.  They are not going to accept any offer from us that does not have Jayson or Jaylen in it, and we are not going to make such an offer.  Proposing trades for him is a waste of time.

Agreed on the 2nd most prized asset part. This has more to do with his contract than his skills as a basketball player. Both Tatum and Brown are way better players. Being drafted at #4 means close to nothing at this point. Josh Jackson got drafted at #4 one year before, yet the Grizzlies let him walk during the offseason. All that matters is what each player brings to the table. Hunter would be a role player in our system. Again, he's already 23. How much better can he get? If the Hawks wanna sell high, this may be the time to do it. I would argue that Smart + Romeo is more than fair value for a 23-year-old role player under team control for 7-8 seasons (Hunter) and a defensive specialist (Dunn).

I don't see Atlanta having any interest whatsoever in a package like that for Hunter, who is cost-controlled for years to come and a Harrison Barnes level player as a sophomore. 

[Jvalin]

Let's keep it relatively realistic please. No Luka/Giannis/Kawhi/Jokic/you name it.

I'll go first.

De'Andre Hunter. He's a 3+D type of swing who has shown flashes of shot creation skills. He's also a willing passer. Reminds me a lot of Mikal Bridges, only 2 inches taller and about 2 inches longer. Problem is, why would the Hawks trade him? Well, they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. The C's got an elite guard defender in Marcus Smart.

Smart + minor asset for Hunter + filler would be a valid trade salary-wise.

What would be your #1 trade target?

You think a trade for DeAndre Hunter is relatively realistic, without offering Tatum or Brown?

Yes. The way I see it, Tatum and Brown have no place in this conversation. They are way better players than Hunter. Tatum is younger too.

Don't think Hunter will ever become an All-Star, cause he can't consistently create his own shot. I view him as an elite 3+D type of prospect who can put the ball on the floor a little bit. That's a very useful role player for a contending team or an empty stats guy for a mediocre team. He's also kind of old for a second-year prospect. I mean, he turned 23 last December. How much better can he get? Problem is, the Hawks have zero incentive to trade him. We'd have to either overpay or send them a player they really like. It seems they need an elite perimeter defender to put next to Trae Young. Cam Reddish may be that player, but his game is a work in progress. Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the NBA. I bet the Hawks would love to pair him with Young. They could move Reddish at SF cause he's 6'8''.

Here's a trade idea.

(click on image to enlarge)



Imo, it's an overpay. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger. This would probably be the absolute most I'd be willing to offer. I'm still relatively high on Romeo. If it weren't for his injury, I believe he would have started plenty of games this season. Alternatively, I'd be willing to include Timelord instead of Romeo.

For the record, Kris Dunn comfortably led the league in STL% last season. Imo, he's the best on-ball guard defender in the NBA. Smart is hands down a more versatile/switchable defender.

Hunter has become ATL organization's 2nd most prized asset, after Trae Young. It's not just you who has taken note of his improvement; the whole league has.  They are not going to accept any offer from us that does not have Jayson or Jaylen in it, and we are not going to make such an offer.  Proposing trades for him is a waste of time.

Agreed on the 2nd most prized asset part. This has more to do with his contract than his skills as a basketball player. Both Tatum and Brown are way better players. Being drafted at #4 means close to nothing at this point. Josh Jackson got drafted at #4 one year before, yet the Grizzlies let him walk during the offseason. All that matters is what each player brings to the table. Hunter would be a role player in our system. Again, he's already 23. How much better can he get? If the Hawks wanna sell high, this may be the time to do it. I would argue that Smart + Romeo is more than fair value for a 23-year-old role player under team control for 7-8 seasons (Hunter) and a defensive specialist (Dunn).

I don't see Atlanta having any interest whatsoever in a package like that for Hunter, who is cost-controlled for years to come and a Harrison Barnes level player as a sophomore.

What would be fair value in your book?