What can a TPE do for you?

[CelticsElite]

This is my guess: Ainge will move very slowly with the tpe. The tpe allows for "flexibility" in trades. There are many scenarios thst can play out with this big tpe. Ainge may wait until the trade deadline when many teams will come knocking wanting to get rid of a (good but disgruntled) player or need his help with a 3 team deal. Or maybe he waits until there is a disgruntled superstar that wants to leave their team to chase a ring in Boston. Perhaps he does just use to to nab a few available bench pieces. Who knows?

Ainge loves the leverage of other teams calling him and needing his services, and Danny charges a hefty premium for such services. 

[keevsnick]

Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

I would be very surprised if Boston uses the TPE to add someone like JJ Redick. This is their best chance to add someone of starting level money without giving up major team pieces. It HAS to be for someone who either A) Has multiple years left or B) Is young enough that it makes sense too resign them if expiring. The timeline is now Tatum/Brown. Add to that.

Ideally

but you have to realize that .... look at the deals for Oubre and Covington

It is for 1st and 2nd round picks ....   for the Celts you could add Langford for example into the picture

But to add anymore salary than this, defeat the purpose of TPE 


Buddy Hield doesn't even fit into TPE.  Celts only have 21m approximately (after signing TT, Teague)

The options are more narrower than people dream here of

Fournier or Reddick are not great long term options but ideal options "to go for it".   They can really shoot and thats what you need for a deep playoff run

To be clear I view those guys VERY differently. Both are on expiring's, but Fournier is 28 and Reddick is 36. Fournier is young enough that you dont feel terrible about his next contract (ages 29-32 for 4 years). He's also a little bigger. I'd be fine using it on Fournier (I'd prefer Aaron Gordon, but still). 

Its guys like Reddick, Lou Williams, Trevor Ariza, PJ Tucker, George Hill, all 34+ that I would prefer not to use the TPE on. All useful players this year, but they rapidly lose value going into the future.

[Sophomore]

Deleted - repeated points made earlier in the thread.

[Jiri Welsch]

Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent; and they can’t be traded outright to another team.

The Celtics can’t combine their $28 million exception with a player salary in order to “make the exception bigger.”

I’m unsure if the could in theory make two separate trades to the same team. That probably would get vetoed by the league for very obviously trying to circumvent the spirit of the rule.

[RodyTur10]

Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

I would be very surprised if Boston uses the TPE to add someone like JJ Redick. This is their best chance to add someone of starting level money without giving up major team pieces. It HAS to be for someone who either A) Has multiple years left or B) Is young enough that it makes sense too resign them if expiring. The timeline is now Tatum/Brown. Add to that.

Ideally

but you have to realize that .... look at the deals for Oubre and Covington

It is for 1st and 2nd round picks ....   for the Celts you could add Langford for example into the picture

But to add anymore salary than this, defeat the purpose of TPE 


Buddy Hield doesn't even fit into TPE.  Celts only have 21m approximately (after signing TT, Teague)

The options are more narrower than people dream here of

Fournier or Reddick are not great long term options but ideal options "to go for it".   They can really shoot and thats what you need for a deep playoff run

To be clear I view those guys VERY differently. Both are on expiring's, but Fournier is 28 and Reddick is 36. Fournier is young enough that you dont feel terrible about his next contract (ages 29-32 for 4 years). He's also a little bigger. I'd be fine using it on Fournier (I'd prefer Aaron Gordon, but still). 

Its guys like Reddick, Lou Williams, Trevor Ariza, PJ Tucker, George Hill, all 34+ that I would prefer not to use the TPE on. All useful players this year, but they rapidly lose value going into the future.

I'm with you on this. We need a longterm valuable player. They might be a bit more harder to trade for, but often very good role players can be had for just a late first or an unproven young player.

That's because non-contending teams don't want to lose such players for nothing and they may sign elsewhere in free agency or they get in the way of a talent they want to develop. The market for these type of players isn't too big since the teams that have lottery picks at their disposal are often in rebuild mode and therefore value their draft pick more than an older role player.

On the other hand other contending teams mostly have limited (draft/rookie) assets and generally have no interest to trade a star for (multiple) role players.

Ps: we should make this a TPE watch thread, just like with the draft watches. In this thread we can combine the rules on TPE's as provided in the OP here, information on this TPE (how much left of it and when it expires) and we can discuss options how to use it.

[michigan adam]

Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent; and they can’t be traded outright to another team.

The Celtics can’t combine their $28 million exception with a player salary in order to “make the exception bigger.”

I’m unsure if the could in theory make two separate trades to the same team. That probably would get vetoed by the league for very obviously trying to circumvent the spirit of the rule.

NO, but they can combine player plus TPE to get under the hard cap.  we are stuck with a max of 22m or something this year, but add theis and a semi and we can now use the entire 28.5m for example(not totally up on roster holds so might need another player as well to get it all).

[mmmmm]

Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Since we're hardcapped Gobert isn't a possibility (unless we cleared other salary).

Vucevic (and Hield) would be candidates as targets in next off-season.

Sort of.  Yes, we are effectively hardcapped (because we used the full non-taxpayer MLE to sign TT) such that we can only spend up to the tax line, which means we can't take on more than about ~21M more salary.  So that means, absent any other adjustments, we could not use the whole of the Hayward 28M TPE.

However, any trade we make is going to require sending some asset(s) out which likely includes some salary.

So, for example, if we had to send out Romeo and RW (and draft picks) as part of a trade for Gobert, their salaries (3.6M+2M==5.6M) would be off our books and allow us to absorb ~26.6M of salary into the TPE without going over the tax threshold.

So, as long as we send out additional salary (recorded as separate trades) we can potentially use all 28M of the TPE.   The key is to make sure we  stay under the tax line in total salary.

*Apron threshold, tax is lower only about 17 million below that and I'd bet they'd like to avoid it to reset the repeater tax.

Good clarification.

Per Spotrac, which has both draft picks signed and all the TPEs up to date, but does not yet have TT or Teague signed yet, we are sitting with 13 players signed and have 26.4M of room under the tax.

Assuming we sign TT for the full 9.86M MLE and Teague for the full 3.62BAE, that will leave us with just 12.9M of room.

That's significantly less room than most estimates I'd seen to this point.    I'm guessing those other estimates don't include the not-yet-guaranteed salaries of Theis, Semi & Javonte'.

Still, as I said, given that some salary is likely to go out in order to make a trade work, Danny should be able to trade for a player making more than that, technically all the way up to the full TPE amount.

[knuckleballer]

Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

Would love Fournier but he seems pretty happy in Orlando.

I think Justice Winslow would be a good fit. Wonder how willing Memphis would be to deal him?

I was thinking about Winslow as well.  I know that’s not exciting, but if neither Nesmith or Langford are stepping up by mid season, he could fill a need.  That is if he’s healthy.  We need more depth at wing. 

We’d all like a to use the TPE on a star, but we don’t have anything to offer in a trade without breaking up the core of this team.

[keevsnick]

Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Since we're hardcapped Gobert isn't a possibility (unless we cleared other salary).

Vucevic (and Hield) would be candidates as targets in next off-season.

Sort of.  Yes, we are effectively hardcapped (because we used the full non-taxpayer MLE to sign TT) such that we can only spend up to the tax line, which means we can't take on more than about ~21M more salary.  So that means, absent any other adjustments, we could not use the whole of the Hayward 28M TPE.

However, any trade we make is going to require sending some asset(s) out which likely includes some salary.

So, for example, if we had to send out Romeo and RW (and draft picks) as part of a trade for Gobert, their salaries (3.6M+2M==5.6M) would be off our books and allow us to absorb ~26.6M of salary into the TPE without going over the tax threshold.

So, as long as we send out additional salary (recorded as separate trades) we can potentially use all 28M of the TPE.   The key is to make sure we  stay under the tax line in total salary.

*Apron threshold, tax is lower only about 17 million below that and I'd bet they'd like to avoid it to reset the repeater tax.

Good clarification.

Per Spotrac, which has both draft picks signed and all the TPEs up to date, but does not yet have TT or Teague signed yet, we are sitting with 13 players signed and have 26.4M of room under the tax.

Assuming we sign TT for the full 9.86M MLE and Teague for the full 3.62BAE, that will leave us with just 12.9M of room.

That's significantly less room than most estimates I'd seen to this point.    I'm guessing those other estimates don't include the not-yet-guaranteed salaries of Theis, Semi & Javonte'.

Still, as I said, given that some salary is likely to go out in order to make a trade work, Danny should be able to trade for a player making more than that, technically all the way up to the full TPE amount.

Its a minor thing, but most people seem to have Teague down as a minimum signing. Given that his number was never really reported I tend to think he probably was a minimum.