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Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2020, 07:59:55 PM »

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The TT isn't complete, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Cs re-work the TT acquisition into an S&T and into the CHA TPE. CLE gets a TPE for TT and a heavily-protected 2nd rounder instead of losing TT for nothing.

The Cs could then use the MLE now or wait until next offseason when the pickings wouldn't be so slim.

BTW, it has been reported by a number of reporters is that the TPE is good for a full year, which would pretty much include next year's FA season I would think.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2020, 08:10:53 PM »

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Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2020, 08:29:34 PM »

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Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2020, 08:31:21 PM »

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Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Since we're hardcapped Gobert isn't a possibility (unless we cleared other salary).

Vucevic (and Hield) would be candidates as targets in next off-season.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2020, 10:06:52 PM »

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good mini breakdown by Celticsblog page

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One other consideration: The Celtics can functionally only use about $21.8 million of the trade exception as it stands right now. Because Boston has already committed to giving Tristan Thompson the full Non-Taxpayer Midlevel Exception, the Celtics will be hard capped.

Right now, Boston is roughly $32.7M under the hard cap. They’re giving $9,258,000 to Thompson and $1,620,564 to Jeff Teague. That leaves the Celtics with about $21.8 million in room under the hard cap after they sign Thompson and Teague.

Now, Boston could increase their ability to use more of the TPE, if they send out some additional salary in a trade. But as it stands right now, Boston is limited to using $21.8 million.

Boston also has smaller TPEs of $4.7 million and $2.5 million from the Enes Kanter and Vincent Poirier trades, respectively.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2020, 10:13:51 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2020, 10:16:14 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

Would love Fournier but he seems pretty happy in Orlando.

I think Justice Winslow would be a good fit. Wonder how willing Memphis would be to deal him?

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2020, 10:20:08 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

Would love Fournier but he seems pretty happy in Orlando.

I think Justice Winslow would be a good fit. Wonder how willing Memphis would be to deal him?

Winslow is injury prone

Danny is going to "go for it"  this season or next. I think he is becoming impatient about this all

Also if Fournier likes the Magic and vice versa. Why no news regarding an extension yet?

If Fournier is not available,  Reddick makes too much sense not to try to obtain

The problem is he is going to have a mini lineup of interest around the league  (same with Fournier).   

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2020, 10:53:54 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

I would be very surprised if Boston uses the TPE to add someone like JJ Redick. This is their best chance to add someone of starting level money without giving up major team pieces. It HAS to be for someone who either A) Has multiple years left or B) Is young enough that it makes sense too resign them if expiring. The timeline is now Tatum/Brown. Add to that. 

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2020, 10:56:50 PM »

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Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Since we're hardcapped Gobert isn't a possibility (unless we cleared other salary).

Vucevic (and Hield) would be candidates as targets in next off-season.

Sort of.  Yes, we are effectively hardcapped (because we used the full non-taxpayer MLE to sign TT) such that we can only spend up to the tax line, which means we can't take on more than about ~21M more salary.  So that means, absent any other adjustments, we could not use the whole of the Hayward 28M TPE.

However, any trade we make is going to require sending some asset(s) out which likely includes some salary.

So, for example, if we had to send out Romeo and RW (and draft picks) as part of a trade for Gobert, their salaries (3.6M+2M==5.6M) would be off our books and allow us to absorb ~26.6M of salary into the TPE without going over the tax threshold.

So, as long as we send out additional salary (recorded as separate trades) we can potentially use all 28M of the TPE.   The key is to make sure we  stay under the tax line in total salary.

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Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2020, 11:07:10 PM »

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Think people need to temper their expectations. Don’t think any of the names mentioned are realistic. More likely Cs break the TPE up to get some bench help at some point during the season. Unlikely it would yield an all star or star level player.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2020, 11:09:19 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

Josh Redick is a 33 year old baseball player.

JJ Redick is a 35 year old 3 point specialist.

Based on this I am still unsure of who you’re talking about.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2020, 11:10:20 PM »

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Potential targets for TPE:

Buddy Hield - 24 mil
Rudy Gobert - 26 mil
Clint Capela - 16 mil
Nicola Vucevic - 26 mil
Aaron Gordon - 18 mil
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil
Zach Lavine - 19 mil
Tim Hardaway Jr - 18 mil

Since we're hardcapped Gobert isn't a possibility (unless we cleared other salary).

Vucevic (and Hield) would be candidates as targets in next off-season.

Sort of.  Yes, we are effectively hardcapped (because we used the full non-taxpayer MLE to sign TT) such that we can only spend up to the tax line, which means we can't take on more than about ~21M more salary.  So that means, absent any other adjustments, we could not use the whole of the Hayward 28M TPE.

However, any trade we make is going to require sending some asset(s) out which likely includes some salary.

So, for example, if we had to send out Romeo and RW (and draft picks) as part of a trade for Gobert, their salaries (3.6M+2M==5.6M) would be off our books and allow us to absorb ~26.6M of salary into the TPE without going over the tax threshold.

So, as long as we send out additional salary (recorded as separate trades) we can potentially use all 28M of the TPE.   The key is to make sure we  stay under the tax line in total salary.

*Apron threshold, tax is lower only about 17 million below that and I'd bet they'd like to avoid it to reset the repeater tax.

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2020, 11:27:06 PM »

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Two players to keep an eye on to use the TPE (trade deadline) - realistic imo

- Evan Fournier.  Especially if he is not interested to resign with the Magic.  Very good shooter and underrated scorer. 

- Josh Reddick.  39 years of age but still an elite 3 pt shooter.  Instant offense from the bench.  Could lit up 9-12 pts via 3s in a blink of an eye

Can only use the big TPE on one of these guys.   But could also make a separate deal to obtain the other.

Serious offensive firepower potential

I would be very surprised if Boston uses the TPE to add someone like JJ Redick. This is their best chance to add someone of starting level money without giving up major team pieces. It HAS to be for someone who either A) Has multiple years left or B) Is young enough that it makes sense too resign them if expiring. The timeline is now Tatum/Brown. Add to that.

Ideally

but you have to realize that .... look at the deals for Oubre and Covington

It is for 1st and 2nd round picks ....   for the Celts you could add Langford for example into the picture

But to add anymore salary than this, defeat the purpose of TPE 


Buddy Hield doesn't even fit into TPE.  Celts only have 21m approximately (after signing TT, Teague)

The options are more narrower than people dream here of

Fournier or Reddick are not great long term options but ideal options "to go for it".   They can really shoot and thats what you need for a deep playoff run

Re: What can a TPE do for you?
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2020, 11:36:25 PM »

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Any $ we send out along with the TPE will increase the amount of room we have under the hard cap. Take Hield for example who makes 25 this year...if we traded Langford and one of Semi, Edwards, or Javonte (plus a pick I’d assume), we would free up enough room under the hard cap to take on his salary. Even though we’re only 21 under the hard cap now, we will likely be sending out some $ in any trade.