Woj: Hayward to Charlotte (4 years, $120 million)

[liam]

Celtics should go after Willie Cauley-Stein with their Bi-Annual exception, worth about $3.6 million.

Man, I like willie Carley-Stein but he never seems to grow his game.

[Ogaju]

I see all the regular(and even some not so regular) doom and bloomers have come out of their posting hiatuses to slam Ainge once again.

There were always going to be 4 options when it came to Hayward this off-season:

1. He would opt in for $34.2 million at which point Ainge could have kept him for the year or traded him, which probably would have been near impossible given the money and he could walk on a team the next season. Hayward was in control of this option and decided against it.

2. Hayward opts out and agrees to a long term extension in Boston. This would need mutual desire on both parts. Hayward doesn't appear he wanted this. His wife didn't want this and at what Gordon signed for, there is no way Ainge wanted this.

3. Hayward opts out. Danny finds a suitor for a sign and trade that Hayward would work a contract out with while simultaneously getting what both teams wanted to deal in the sign and trade.

4. Hayward signs with a team with cap space.

After Hayward opted out there were just 3 options and it appears another option was removed by Hayward for personal reasons. So it came down to options 3 and 4.

Sure there was a ton of talk about Atlanta and New York being interested and Indiana willing to pay $100 over 4 years, though who knows how much would have been guaranteed. But Hayward removed that option by taking option 4, going for the truly big money to a team with cap space.

Why are Boston fans so miffed. It takes two teams to agree to a trade and it takes two teams and a player to agree to a sign and trade. For all we know Ainge and Pritchard was going to agree to terms on a sign and trade but Hayward decided for Charlotte.

It's just wrong to assume if Ainge and Pritchard had come to terms 20 hours ago that Hayward would have agreed to the sign and trade. If Hayward's agent was smart, and given the contract Hayward got, I think that's is probably true, he wasn't going to allow Gordon to accept Indy's offer without first exhausting all other opportunities that were being offered.

I just don't get the extremely strong vitriol towards Ainge here. Hayward decided where he wanted to go, not Ainge.

But, if you only come here just to moan and complain about the team, the coach and the GM, today must be like Christmas for you, regardless if any of it is in the least bit warranted.

You know what? Just let them whine even if Jayson Tatum becomes a superstar people here will find a way to whine. It's pointless to quell the rage right now.

Jayson Tatum? Are you even sure you can keep him at this point?

[SteveD]

Celtics should go after Willie Cauley-Stein with their Bi-Annual exception, worth about $3.6 million.

Man, I like willie Carley-Stein but he never seems to grow his game.

Cauley-Stein would provide the needed defense at the center position that Kanter couldn't.

[cman88]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

[gouki88]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

Plus the way I read it Indiana's rumoured offer of 4/100 would have not been fully guaranteed. Charlotte offered Hayward $120m in guaranteed money. Insane to turn that down

[liam]

Celtics should go after Willie Cauley-Stein with their Bi-Annual exception, worth about $3.6 million.

Man, I like willie Carley-Stein but he never seems to grow his game.

Cauley-Stein would provide the needed defense at the center position that Kanter couldn't.

True. I just wonder about WCS lack of improvement over the years. Does he not really love the game or he’s just tall? I’d still take him because he is tall, 

[hpantazo]

Celtics should go after Willie Cauley-Stein with their Bi-Annual exception, worth about $3.6 million.

Man, I like willie Carley-Stein but he never seems to grow his game.

Cauley-Stein would provide the needed defense at the center position that Kanter couldn't.

True. I just wonder about WCS lack of improvement over the years. Does he not really love the game or he’s just tall? I’d still take him because he is tall, 

If that's all you need, we do have Tacko

[cman88]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

Plus the way I read it Indiana's rumoured offer of 4/100 would have not been fully guaranteed. Charlotte offered Hayward $120m in guaranteed money. Insane to turn that down

I was shocked at the money too. I mean given his injury history and age.

But MJ makes some weird GM decisions

[ausbacker]

So Millsap back to Denver on a 1 year deal.  Who's left for Bigs  Ibaka, Baynes, Giles?

Yeah, and Tristan Thompson and WCS I believe

I'd be ecstatic about any of Thompson, Baynes, Ibaka or Cauley-Stein for a bench big role. All have different strenghts. Ibaka would be at the top of the list, WCS at the bottom

Baynes would be my choice.  He was quoted, I think after Kyrie's last playoffs, as saying somthing along the lines of:  Brad's system works if you follow it. 

I think he had a good year in Phoenix.  He's getting older so he's not going to rob all of Rob's minutes...He can be pampered until the post season and then unleashed.

Would be happy with any of them really, all better defenders than Kanter!

For upside I'd go Giles.  Plus it would make Tatum happy.  Ibaka and Giles would be my preference.  Not sure about Baynes. If he got traded again or didn't get much PT it could get ugly.

I'd love to see a trade for George Hill for a 2nd and TE.  Good vet and bench player if the thunder are willing to move him.  There's always the little guy for some bench scoring.  Teague intrigues me as well for a bench player.  The way the cs played without Hayward they were missing bench scoring.  Haywards shots will go to JB and JT and Kemba.

Giles and Baynes are my preferred options mainly because we know Baynes fits in Boston's system and Giles for the obvious keep Tatum happy yet high ceiling potential he can provide. Some players need the right environment to flourish and for Giles, Boston may be it because frankly, Sacramento is a joke of an organization.

[liam]

Celtics should go after Willie Cauley-Stein with their Bi-Annual exception, worth about $3.6 million.

Man, I like willie Carley-Stein but he never seems to grow his game.

Cauley-Stein would provide the needed defense at the center position that Kanter couldn't.

True. I just wonder about WCS lack of improvement over the years. Does he not really love the game or he’s just tall? I’d still take him because he is tall, 

If that's all you need, we do have Tacko

If I was the coach I’d play Taco but that’s why I’m not the coach...

[gouki88]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

Plus the way I read it Indiana's rumoured offer of 4/100 would have not been fully guaranteed. Charlotte offered Hayward $120m in guaranteed money. Insane to turn that down

I was shocked at the money too. I mean given his injury history and age.

But MJ makes some weird GM decisions

Yeah, MJ isn't the sharpest manager out there. Going from Batum to Hayward + $9m in dead cap from Batum is mad

[hpantazo]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

Plus the way I read it Indiana's rumoured offer of 4/100 would have not been fully guaranteed. Charlotte offered Hayward $120m in guaranteed money. Insane to turn that down

I was shocked at the money too. I mean given his injury history and age.

But MJ makes some weird GM decisions

Yeah, MJ isn't the sharpest manager out there. Going from Batum to Hayward + $9m in dead cap from Batum is mad

Yeah, its terrible team management. It's his money though as he's the owner too, so there's that.

[tonydelk]

I guess what we need to really know is, did Hayward choose Charlotte because of the ridiculous offer, or was danny playing hardball with indiana.

The 98.5 sports media seems to be going with the latter theory. But it's also possible that Indiana didnt want to go 4/120million.

Charlotte VASTLY overpaid here

Plus the way I read it Indiana's rumoured offer of 4/100 would have not been fully guaranteed. Charlotte offered Hayward $120m in guaranteed money. Insane to turn that down

I was shocked at the money too. I mean given his injury history and age.

But MJ makes some weird GM decisions

Yeah, MJ isn't the sharpest manager out there. Going from Batum to Hayward + $9m in dead cap from Batum is mad

Yeah, its terrible team management. It's his money though as he's the owner too, so there's that.

Its just good negotiating by his agent.  Hey we have this st deal with the Pacers.  If you want GH you need to convince him why he should sign with you versus going home.  They gave him 45m reasons why if the rumors of the deal not having a guaranteed 4th year from Indy.  Money talks.  They can move home anytime they want and GH will never get this kind of money ever again.

[obnoxiousmime]

I know somebody probably mentioned it already in this 100-page thread, but giving Hayward an extra two days to decide on his option really screwed us over. Two days is a lifetime in communications and planning, especially in the accelerated draft and free agency period this year. This is a courtesy they had no freaking reason to give Hayward considering he had months to think about it. Why would they have done it, other than in the expectation that keeping Hayward happy would either A) make the relationship smoother if he did indeed opt in and stayed in Boston or B) keep the good feelings going for participation in a sign and trade so we at least didn't lose him for nothing.

I'm not a person who thinks Hayward "owed" us anything for being injured and having overall disappointing play these three years, but I do think it was ridiculous to ask for the extension and even more ridiculous for the Celtics to grant it. Maybe it wouldn't have changed anything and Charlotte still swoops in with big offer the Celts didn't seem to anticipate, but I just can't think of a similar scenario where a team that already knew they probably weren't going to re-sign a guy conceded to his dithering and allowed him to delay during the two busiest days of the NBA calendar.

[hwangjini_1]

Next steps:

* Sign Millsap
* Sign Dedmon
* S&T Hayward to Charlotte for a TPE
* S&T for Bogdonavic using TPE

Theis / Dedmon / Williams
Tatum / Millsap / Williams
Brown / Nesmith
Bogs / Smart
Kemba / Pritchard

Not happening, but losing Hayward could lead to increased flexibility.

what? no giles???