Woj: Hayward to Charlotte (4 years, $120 million)

[Birdman]

Boo hoo!! Not a team player..as long as I’m winning, I wouldn’t care how many shots I get

[wdleehi]

So he is a player who thinks he can do more to help a team win then what he is currently doing. 


Not a big problem with that.


Wants to see if there is an option out there on a winning team that gives him a bigger role, ok. 

As long as he hasn't closed the door to coming back to Boston, I am ok with this line of thinking from a player of Haywards skills.   Has to be hard being the 4th option. 

[Greengang5]

Boo hoo!! Not a team player..as long as I’m winning, I wouldn’t care how many shots I get

Not a team player?  Not sure that statement makes sense when he was 6th in teammate of the year.  Why wouldn't a player who is still in prime want the ball more and have bigger role?  You spend your whole career building and putting in the work to get to a certain point.  He hit the top.  I would be shocked if any player of his caliber didn't go through the same thought process.  This was discussed in several other threads.  His decision is what he wants in his career.  Did he like leading a younger team to playoffs as a #2 type of #4/5 on pseudo contender.  This isnt anything new, but you are acting hurt.

[Somebody]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

Wah, Wah, Wah



I want to play on a winning team
I want more shots
I want a bigger role
I dont like the Tatum and Brown are better than me

boo hoo

To be fair he should be handling the ball a bit more to take advantage of the openings created by Tatum and Walker. He's a very nice secondary playmaker on a high level offence who shouldn't be relegated to watching one of the aforementioned two pound the ball in crunch time.

[Greengang5]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

Wah, Wah, Wah



I want to play on a winning team
I want more shots
I want a bigger role
I dont like the Tatum and Brown are better than me

boo hoo

To be fair he should be handling the ball a bit more to take advantage of the openings created by Tatum and Walker. He's a very nice secondary playmaker on a high level offence who shouldn't be relegated to watching one of the aforementioned two pound the ball in crunch time.

I think Steven's got nailed haywards first year back after injury for playing him back to health.  Now Steven's went too far the other way in not giving him the keys enough.  Doesnt want to look like playing favorites. Hayward should be in 25% usage rate area every game. Hayward just wants to be involved.  Tatum and Brown will still get theirs.

[jbpats]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

Wah, Wah, Wah



I want to play on a winning team
I want more shots
I want a bigger role
I dont like the Tatum and Brown are better than me

boo hoo

To be fair he should be handling the ball a bit more to take advantage of the openings created by Tatum and Walker. He's a very nice secondary playmaker on a high level offence who shouldn't be relegated to watching one of the aforementioned two pound the ball in crunch time.

He's an afterthought in the offense and if I were him I'd be halfway out the door as well. He is the 5th option when realistically he should be the 2nd.
Smart is taking more shots then him, and significantly more shots with the game on the line.. Marcus Smart...

It's really on Stevens IMO, Hayward paired up with Stevens and Brad has done very little to include Gordon in the offense. Obviously injuries have played a significant factor but there is no reason why Marcus Smart should have the ball in his hands more than Gordon Hayward at any point of the game.

How would you feel if you were Hayward? He needs a fresh start.

[Tr1boy]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

end of the day, regardless

The Celtics can't sign Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Walker to major deals. Plus also a good contract for Smart

Is this the reason why Danny has been trying to find trading partners for Kemba Walker??

Because I'm ok with Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Smart  lineup.  Actually it is a much bigger back end lineup than the average

[ozgod]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

It's understandable. He came to Boston as an All Star in July 2017. Apparently one of the things that won him over to Boston was how Brad Stevens came up with a detailed plan on how he was going to be used alongside IT and Al. Then a month later IT gets traded for Kyrie which changes his role, then he breaks his ankle on the first game and misses a year and in the meantime JT and JB establish their roles in the team which gets to the ECF without him or Kyrie. Then he has a setback in his recovery, doesn't get an offseason to prepare and is a shadow of his former self for most of 2018-19 season when the team is struggling, he gets frozen out of the offense by the likes of Kyrie, Mook and Terry and people are expecting him to be his max player self. What's even more annoying is people see bits and pieces of the player he was but it's not consistent. Then he starts 2019 with a bang, averages 19-7-5 and then gets injured for 16 of the next 19 games and then gets injured again at the end of the year and comes back to criticism because he's not playing at 100% and looks terrible.

But I don't remember the guy once complaining about his misfortunes, he's always supported his teammates, didn't moan about his usage like Terry or Mook did, deferred to the younger guys like JT and JB who are trying to get paid and make names for themselves, passed instead of hogged shots. He was an All Star but he played like a support player facilitating the offense because it was a slot he could fill better than the others. So I find it funny that because he's considering his options he's now not being considered not a team player when he more than anyone else on the team (along with Kemba) has sacrificed his game to adapt to the team situation and the team's needs. It's rare to find players like that.

[jbpats]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

It's understandable. He came to Boston as an All Star in July 2017. Apparently one of the things that won him over to Boston was how Brad Stevens came up with a detailed plan on how he was going to be used alongside IT and Al. Then a month later IT gets traded for Kyrie which changes his role, then he breaks his ankle on the first game and misses a year and in the meantime JT and JB establish their roles in the team which gets to the ECF without him or Kyrie. Then he has a setback in his recovery, doesn't get an offseason to prepare and is a shadow of his former self for most of 2018-19 season when the team is struggling, he gets frozen out of the offense by the likes of Kyrie, Mook and Terry and people are expecting him to be his max player self. What's even more annoying is people see bits and pieces of the player he was but it's not consistent. Then he starts 2019 with a bang, averages 19-7-5 and then gets injured for 16 of the next 19 games and then gets injured again at the end of the year and comes back to criticism because he's not playing at 100% and looks terrible.

But I don't remember the guy once complaining about his misfortunes, he's always supported his teammates, didn't moan about his usage like Terry or Mook did, deferred to the younger guys like JT and JB who are trying to get paid and make names for themselves, passed instead of hogged shots. He was an All Star but he played like a support player facilitating the offense because it was a slot he could fill better than the others. So I find it funny that because he's considering his options he's now not being considered not a team player when he more than anyone else on the team (along with Kemba) has sacrificed his game to adapt to the team situation and the team's needs. It's rare to find players like that.

TP very well said!

[footey]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

It's understandable. He came to Boston as an All Star in July 2017. Apparently one of the things that won him over to Boston was how Brad Stevens came up with a detailed plan on how he was going to be used alongside IT and Al. Then a month later IT gets traded for Kyrie which changes his role, then he breaks his ankle on the first game and misses a year and in the meantime JT and JB establish their roles in the team which gets to the ECF without him or Kyrie. Then he has a setback in his recovery, doesn't get an offseason to prepare and is a shadow of his former self for most of 2018-19 season when the team is struggling, he gets frozen out of the offense by the likes of Kyrie, Mook and Terry and people are expecting him to be his max player self. What's even more annoying is people see bits and pieces of the player he was but it's not consistent. Then he starts 2019 with a bang, averages 19-7-5 and then gets injured for 16 of the next 19 games and then gets injured again at the end of the year and comes back to criticism because he's not playing at 100% and looks terrible.

But I don't remember the guy once complaining about his misfortunes, he's always supported his teammates, didn't moan about his usage like Terry or Mook did, deferred to the younger guys like JT and JB who are trying to get paid and make names for themselves, passed instead of hogged shots. He was an All Star but he played like a support player facilitating the offense because it was a slot he could fill better than the others. So I find it funny that because he's considering his options he's now not being considered not a team player when he more than anyone else on the team (along with Kemba) has sacrificed his game to adapt to the team situation and the team's needs. It's rare to find players like that.

TP too.  Well said.  Gordon has been total class here. I have his jersey, and will sure miss him when he goes. The team will too.

[Phantom255x]

I will be really upset if Danny drafts all three picks and keeps them, or he drafts like 2 of them and simply trades 1 away for a future year pick and does nothing else in terms of trades or moves.

[NKY fan]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

It's understandable. He came to Boston as an All Star in July 2017. Apparently one of the things that won him over to Boston was how Brad Stevens came up with a detailed plan on how he was going to be used alongside IT and Al. Then a month later IT gets traded for Kyrie which changes his role, then he breaks his ankle on the first game and misses a year and in the meantime JT and JB establish their roles in the team which gets to the ECF without him or Kyrie. Then he has a setback in his recovery, doesn't get an offseason to prepare and is a shadow of his former self for most of 2018-19 season when the team is struggling, he gets frozen out of the offense by the likes of Kyrie, Mook and Terry and people are expecting him to be his max player self. What's even more annoying is people see bits and pieces of the player he was but it's not consistent. Then he starts 2019 with a bang, averages 19-7-5 and then gets injured for 16 of the next 19 games and then gets injured again at the end of the year and comes back to criticism because he's not playing at 100% and looks terrible.

But I don't remember the guy once complaining about his misfortunes, he's always supported his teammates, didn't moan about his usage like Terry or Mook did, deferred to the younger guys like JT and JB who are trying to get paid and make names for themselves, passed instead of hogged shots. He was an All Star but he played like a support player facilitating the offense because it was a slot he could fill better than the others. So I find it funny that because he's considering his options he's now not being considered not a team player when he more than anyone else on the team (along with Kemba) has sacrificed his game to adapt to the team situation and the team's needs. It's rare to find players like that.

TP too.  Well said.  Gordon has been total class here. I have his jersey, and will sure miss him when he goes. The team will too.

I don’t think anyone has said anything against Hayward as a person or a teammate but his unavailability can not be understated..
It’s unfortunate but it’s also quite possible that his injuries cost us the finals appearances... if he gets resigned and gets injured again in the playoffs can you imagine the backlash that will follow... it looks like both sides have decided it’s best to move on and find the best situation for Hayward.

[Csfan1984]

I will be really upset if Danny drafts all three picks and keeps them, or he drafts like 2 of them and simply trades 1 away for a future year pick and does nothing else in terms of trades or moves.

This is what I expect him to do. I feel he might trade pick 30, VP and 47 for a future protected 1st

[celticinorlando]

I will be really upset if Danny drafts all three picks and keeps them, or he drafts like 2 of them and simply trades 1 away for a future year pick and does nothing else in terms of trades or moves.

100 percent correct. Simply adding players from a very very average draft will not address the deficiencies this team has. It would signal the plan is to stay really young. Time to address needs we have all seen.

The bench is already littered with g league talent (Edwards, semi, Romeo, waters) and bigs that don’t fit (kanter), don’t play (VP) and are hurt a lot (RW). It is the worst bench in the nba and losing Hayward for nothing makes it worse. It is a collection of middle to low picks that just don’t contribute.

Time to be bold.

[Darth_Yoda]

New article at The Athletic shines more light on Hayward and Boston. A snippet:

Hayward has long been frustrated with his role in Boston, but not because he resents his coaches or teammates. It’s that he established himself as someone who was going to get plenty of shots and passes to find his rhythm and he succeeds when he can feel his way out through the game. He had a usage rate of over 22 percent in his last five seasons in Utah, with a pinnacle of 27.6 percent in his lone All-Star season in 2016-17. It’s been all the way down to 19 and 21.1 percent, respectively, the past two years. He should expect that number to be a little bit lower on a contending team with a star point guard, but Jayson Tatum’s emergence exacerbated the issue.

If he’s playing his best, staying healthy and winning in Boston, he’ll be happy. But there has been enough tumult in his Boston tenure that Hayward is actively exploring other situations. It doesn’t mean he hates Boston or adamantly wants out. It’s a reasonable middle ground that reflects someone who has worked his whole life to lead a contending team and he wants his chance to do that.

https://theathletic.com/2204873/2020/11/17/gordon-hayward-celtics-james-harden/

Seems like the door isn't all the way shut on a return, but compromises need to be made.

Wah, Wah, Wah



I want to play on a winning team
I want more shots
I want a bigger role
I dont like the Tatum and Brown are better than me

boo hoo

To be fair he should be handling the ball a bit more to take advantage of the openings created by Tatum and Walker. He's a very nice secondary playmaker on a high level offence who shouldn't be relegated to watching one of the aforementioned two pound the ball in crunch time.

He's an afterthought in the offense and if I were him I'd be halfway out the door as well. He is the 5th option when realistically he should be the 2nd.
Smart is taking more shots then him, and significantly more shots with the game on the line.. Marcus Smart...

It's really on Stevens IMO, Hayward paired up with Stevens and Brad has done very little to include Gordon in the offense. Obviously injuries have played a significant factor but there is no reason why Marcus Smart should have the ball in his hands more than Gordon Hayward at any point of the game.

How would you feel if you were Hayward? He needs a fresh start.

That simply is not true.,

Gordon took more shots in the regular season and in the playoffs than Marcus. Marcus took more 3s in the playoffs than Hayward though, but shot them better.