Ryan Rusillo: Hayward “does want out” of his deal

[Greengang5]

I can see Hayward wanting to be a #2 on a team.  Maybe he realized he likes being on a team fighting for the playoffs with young guys like in Utah.  I think he wants another shot at the all star game as well, but you need to win to get there. He has proven he has the drive and commitment to work towards a goal. Does he think Boston is a true title contender?

[Moranis]

I don't see why Hayward would fetch the 6th pick from the Hawks without some serious other assets going to Atlanta.  I totally buy why Atlanta might not want to wait a whole year, I just don't see how Hayward makes sense for them.  The Hawks are loaded in the backcourt with guys on rookie deals i.e. Young, Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Bembry, and have very little in the way of big men outside of Collins and Capela (and maybe Parker if he has anything left).  I could see the Hawks going all in for a short term big guy.

I think ATL would just sign Hayward if there was mutual interest - not trade - but I think you are forgetting that they also traded for Dedmon, in addition to Capela, this past deadline. Also Hayward is definitely not a guard (I assume you know this); he would fit in great as a much-needed veteran do-it-all wing and would immediately make that team better.

I can't imagine Hayward is ready to move on to ATL, but I guess you never know.

I forgot Dedmon and 2 2nd's were acquired for Parker and Len, but I don't know that they really wanted Dedmon as much as more certainty in the contract situation and acquiring more long term assets (i.e. Dedmon and the 2 2nd's). 

I still don't see why the Hawks would want Hayward.  I don't think he does much for them.  Sure he makes them better, but not enough to be worth stunting the development of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and to a lesser extent Bembry.  If they were going to go with a guard/wing, someone like Jrue Holiday makes far more sense for the Hawks than Hayward does, as Jrue can play the point and is a much better defender, providing a nice compliment to Young and the other young guys.

[gouki88]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

[footey]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

Preach.

TP.

[BruceBanner18]

I don't see why Hayward would fetch the 6th pick from the Hawks without some serious other assets going to Atlanta.  I totally buy why Atlanta might not want to wait a whole year, I just don't see how Hayward makes sense for them.  The Hawks are loaded in the backcourt with guys on rookie deals i.e. Young, Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Bembry, and have very little in the way of big men outside of Collins and Capela (and maybe Parker if he has anything left).  I could see the Hawks going all in for a short term big guy.

I think ATL would just sign Hayward if there was mutual interest - not trade - but I think you are forgetting that they also traded for Dedmon, in addition to Capela, this past deadline. Also Hayward is definitely not a guard (I assume you know this); he would fit in great as a much-needed veteran do-it-all wing and would immediately make that team better.

I can't imagine Hayward is ready to move on to ATL, but I guess you never know.

I forgot Dedmon and 2 2nd's were acquired for Parker and Len, but I don't know that they really wanted Dedmon as much as more certainty in the contract situation and acquiring more long term assets (i.e. Dedmon and the 2 2nd's). 

I still don't see why the Hawks would want Hayward.  I don't think he does much for them.  Sure he makes them better, but not enough to be worth stunting the development of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and to a lesser extent Bembry.  If they were going to go with a guard/wing, someone like Jrue Holiday makes far more sense for the Hawks than Hayward does, as Jrue can play the point and is a much better defender, providing a nice compliment to Young and the other young guys.

Marcus Smart is another guy who makes a ton more sense for Atlanta. Just saying

[RodyTur10]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

I also really like Gordon Hayward and want him to resign on a team-friendly-deal in the neigbourhood of 80/4.
But I could understand that he's not willing to do that and then it just becomes very difficult to keep four (close-to-)max players in Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward.

I don't think that's ever been done that a team actually had four players close to max contracts based on the current cap?

(Golden State had Curry on a bargain contract initially and had Thompson and Green on contracts that were signed before the cap spike when Durant was there)

[gouki88]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

I also really like Gordon Hayward and want him to resign on a team-friendly-deal in the neigbourhood of 80/4.
But I could understand that he's not willing to do that and then it just becomes very difficult to keep four (close-to-)max players in Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward.

I don't think that's ever been done that a team actually had four players close to max contracts based on the current cap?

(Golden State had Curry on a bargain contract initially and had Thompson and Green on contracts that were signed before the cap spike when Durant was there)

Yeah, that's really the crux of it all - whether or not the organisation can come to an agreeable deal with Hayward. Concerns like length of the contract, money, luxury tax implications, his output and durability and all that come into play. It's hard to see us keeping both he and Kemba if Hayward is on ~$20m a year and Kemba is on ~$35m a year

[dannyboy35]

I don't see why Hayward would fetch the 6th pick from the Hawks without some serious other assets going to Atlanta.  I totally buy why Atlanta might not want to wait a whole year, I just don't see how Hayward makes sense for them.  The Hawks are loaded in the backcourt with guys on rookie deals i.e. Young, Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, Bembry, and have very little in the way of big men outside of Collins and Capela (and maybe Parker if he has anything left).  I could see the Hawks going all in for a short term big guy.

I think ATL would just sign Hayward if there was mutual interest - not trade - but I think you are forgetting that they also traded for Dedmon, in addition to Capela, this past deadline. Also Hayward is definitely not a guard (I assume you know this); he would fit in great as a much-needed veteran do-it-all wing and would immediately make that team better.

I can't imagine Hayward is ready to move on to ATL, but I guess you never know.

I forgot Dedmon and 2 2nd's were acquired for Parker and Len, but I don't know that they really wanted Dedmon as much as more certainty in the contract situation and acquiring more long term assets (i.e. Dedmon and the 2 2nd's). 

I still don't see why the Hawks would want Hayward.  I don't think he does much for them.  Sure he makes them better, but not enough to be worth stunting the development of Hunter, Reddish, Huerter, and to a lesser extent Bembry.  If they were going to go with a guard/wing, someone like Jrue Holiday makes far more sense for the Hawks than Hayward does, as Jrue can play the point and is a much better defender, providing a nice compliment to Young and the other young guys.

Marcus Smart is another guy who makes a ton more sense for Atlanta. Just saying

   Yeah if I was a Hawks fan that would be a neat backcourt. One makes up a bit for the others shortcomings .

[td450]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

I also really like Gordon Hayward and want him to resign on a team-friendly-deal in the neigbourhood of 80/4.
But I could understand that he's not willing to do that and then it just becomes very difficult to keep four (close-to-)max players in Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward.

I don't think that's ever been done that a team actually had four players close to max contracts based on the current cap?

(Golden State had Curry on a bargain contract initially and had Thompson and Green on contracts that were signed before the cap spike when Durant was there)

Yeah, that's really the crux of it all - whether or not the organisation can come to an agreeable deal with Hayward. Concerns like length of the contract, money, luxury tax implications, his output and durability and all that come into play. It's hard to see us keeping both he and Kemba if Hayward is on ~$20m a year and Kemba is on ~$35m a year

It seems irrational to me to choose to retain Walker and let Hayward go.

[Roy H.]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

I also really like Gordon Hayward and want him to resign on a team-friendly-deal in the neigbourhood of 80/4.
But I could understand that he's not willing to do that and then it just becomes very difficult to keep four (close-to-)max players in Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward.

I don't think that's ever been done that a team actually had four players close to max contracts based on the current cap?

(Golden State had Curry on a bargain contract initially and had Thompson and Green on contracts that were signed before the cap spike when Durant was there)

Yeah, that's really the crux of it all - whether or not the organisation can come to an agreeable deal with Hayward. Concerns like length of the contract, money, luxury tax implications, his output and durability and all that come into play. It's hard to see us keeping both he and Kemba if Hayward is on ~$20m a year and Kemba is on ~$35m a year

It seems irrational to me to choose to retain Walker and let Hayward go.

Irrational isn’t the right word.  Hayward has been severely hampered by injuries in three straight seasons.  It would be a rational decision to retain a seemingly more durable player.

[gouki88]

One year ago today:

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-110520-celtics-365-hayward-shooting-perfection-lands-him-elite-company

This was right before he broke his hand. He was off to an amazing season for us.

I want that guy back.

If we persevere with him we will get that guy back. To start the season he was averaging 19/7/4 on 56/43/84 shooting. Elite play. Then he got hurt.

Then from February through to the season being shut down he was averaging 17/7/5 on 47/41/78 shooting, still elite.

In the bubble he was doing all the things he normally did - averaged 19/8/4 on 48/33/88 shooting. Then he goes down in the first playoff game, where despite shooting poorly he had been useful (4 steals!). I think if we can restructure his contract to something mutually agreeable we'd be insane not to. He's the perfect supporting star.

I also really like Gordon Hayward and want him to resign on a team-friendly-deal in the neigbourhood of 80/4.
But I could understand that he's not willing to do that and then it just becomes very difficult to keep four (close-to-)max players in Walker, Brown, Tatum and Hayward.

I don't think that's ever been done that a team actually had four players close to max contracts based on the current cap?

(Golden State had Curry on a bargain contract initially and had Thompson and Green on contracts that were signed before the cap spike when Durant was there)

Yeah, that's really the crux of it all - whether or not the organisation can come to an agreeable deal with Hayward. Concerns like length of the contract, money, luxury tax implications, his output and durability and all that come into play. It's hard to see us keeping both he and Kemba if Hayward is on ~$20m a year and Kemba is on ~$35m a year

It seems irrational to me to choose to retain Walker and let Hayward go.

Irrational isn’t the right word.  Hayward has been severely hampered by injuries in three straight seasons.  It would be a rational decision to retain a seemingly more durable player.

Becomes an interesting question. Is Kemba's knee a serious issue? If Kemba's knee proves to be as debilitating as it was this year is he more durable and/or worth more money?

[ozgod]

"I can't go into what I know about Hayward or the Hawks due to the confirmation and the CBA. I will say this, the Hawks definitely aren't all in for 2021 and are not afraid to cash in for 2020. "

From the guy with source.

Looks like Atlanta might be quite interested in Hayward. Add to that Boston is very interested in Okongwu and there could be a bit of a smolder here.

.... Who? Are we still talking about Rusillo? Or is there another guy?

Can we at least try to link to articles or provide some sort of concrete info as to where we're quoting things from??

From a Hawks fan that apparently (and has been proven right in the past) that has a high up friend in the "know".  Cannot link to him in the open forums cause they will lock down their site to prevent the sharing of the info. But I can PM you the deal. Just, like I say, cannot link to it, and cannot quote all of it or they will lock down their board. (did so in the past.)

Apparently he has MAJOR news, but it is being blocked by the CBA at this point. *shrugs

Lol.

Why is the CBA preventing “major news”?  So silly.  Don’t believe this nonsense.  People vouched for Celtic Thug before he was proven to be a fraud, too.

I’ve been affiliated with CelticsBlog and the like for two decades.  In that time, I’ve only seen a tiny percentage of “insiders” with any credibility at all.  One was a cousin of Al Jefferson, one gave our staff a tip a day before that the KG trade was going down, and the other two have only discussed things privately with me.  Oh, and I was on a private message board with Bill Simmons, who I’m no longer a fan of.

5 folks in 20 years.  To read RealGM, you’d think that “insiders” were breaking stories on the regular.

Well from what I have read, I don't think the CBA is blocking the news per say, but more that the news he has is dependent on the CBA itself, and he doesn't want to release it out on the forum if it turns out to not be legal once the new CBA agreed.

Dude has been right a number of times.

This is fairly plausible, given how many times the CBA negotations have been extended, however I think trending towards scepticism is also a good idea here.

It does feel like it's been a while since the last "insider" though. I find stuff like that entertaining even when it's not real.

I treat all this unverified stuff as hearsay and entertainment - (mostly) fictional entertainment in any case. I'm sure people love to speculate, that's what the offseason is for after all 

[Darth_Yoda]

Im getting a feeling that Hayward is gonna just pull a Horford.

Bad feeling we lose another asset for absolutely nothing as opposed to making a mid season deal for something, anything at all.

[tonydelk]

"I can't go into what I know about Hayward or the Hawks due to the confirmation and the CBA. I will say this, the Hawks definitely aren't all in for 2021 and are not afraid to cash in for 2020. "

From the guy with source.

Looks like Atlanta might be quite interested in Hayward. Add to that Boston is very interested in Okongwu and there could be a bit of a smolder here.

.... Who? Are we still talking about Rusillo? Or is there another guy?

Can we at least try to link to articles or provide some sort of concrete info as to where we're quoting things from??

From a Hawks fan that apparently (and has been proven right in the past) that has a high up friend in the "know".  Cannot link to him in the open forums cause they will lock down their site to prevent the sharing of the info. But I can PM you the deal. Just, like I say, cannot link to it, and cannot quote all of it or they will lock down their board. (did so in the past.)

Apparently he has MAJOR news, but it is being blocked by the CBA at this point. *shrugs

Lol.

Why is the CBA preventing “major news”?  So silly.  Don’t believe this nonsense.  People vouched for Celtic Thug before he was proven to be a fraud, too.

I’ve been affiliated with CelticsBlog and the like for two decades.  In that time, I’ve only seen a tiny percentage of “insiders” with any credibility at all.  One was a cousin of Al Jefferson, one gave our staff a tip a day before that the KG trade was going down, and the other two have only discussed things privately with me.  Oh, and I was on a private message board with Bill Simmons, who I’m no longer a fan of.

5 folks in 20 years.  To read RealGM, you’d think that “insiders” were breaking stories on the regular.

Well from what I have read, I don't think the CBA is blocking the news per say, but more that the news he has is dependent on the CBA itself, and he doesn't want to release it out on the forum if it turns out to not be legal once the new CBA agreed.

Dude has been right a number of times.

This is fairly plausible, given how many times the CBA negotations have been extended, however I think trending towards scepticism is also a good idea here.

It does feel like it's been a while since the last "insider" though. I find stuff like that entertaining even when it's not real.

I treat all this unverified stuff as hearsay and entertainment - (mostly) fictional entertainment in any case. I'm sure people love to speculate, that's what the offseason is for after all 

While I agree with this you also hear rebuttals a lot from players or a general statement that I have not even thought about the upcoming season with so many things still being decided upon.  Since there are crickets I feel there is some semblance of truth to this.  I would assume with the relationship of Brad and Gordon there has been some communication in regards to potential options.  I don't think anything is off the table in regards to what Gordon will do.  He may want out because he feels a change of scenery will be better for his health.  Nothing but injuries here and all of them freak kind of injuries.  It may be better to change the chapter and no matter how he does it it's his decision.  If he stays and opts in you know he will be the center of trade rumors all season.  May not want that.  The good news is we will find out either way here in the next few weeks.

[LilRip]

Im getting a feeling that Hayward is gonna just pull a Horford.

Bad feeling we lose another asset for absolutely nothing as opposed to making a mid season deal for something, anything at all.

This makes a lot of sense tbh, provided there’s a team with cap space willing to take him on.

From Hayward’s POV, leaving means:
1. Likely more money. Likely near max
2. Bigger role and assured crunch time minutes
3. Possibility to become an all star
4. Winning is TBD (but it’s up to him if he can turn a team to a contender)

Meanwhile, staying means:
1. 30M for 1 year and then discounted years after that
2. 4th banana behind Kemba/JB/JT. Could get benched at the end of games too in favor of Smart/Theis
3. No chance of becoming an all star
4. ECF contender and a dark horse to win it all