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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #135 on: October 26, 2020, 10:05:09 PM »

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When does he have to exercise his option?

TBD.  The league and NBAPA need to work out modifications to the CBA for next year.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #136 on: October 26, 2020, 11:12:19 PM »

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Boston: Rudy Gobert
Indiana: Gordon Hayward
Utah: Myles Turner, Daniel Theis, Bostonís 2020 picks #14, 26, 30

Indiana gets the player they have been rumored to want. It also opens up the Center position for Sabonis to take over full time.

Does Utah have any concerns of Gobert walking? How is the relationship with Gobert and Mitchell. Turner is signed for the next 3 years at a manageable $18M per, and is still only 24 years old.

Boston gets a legitimate big man that they desperately need. Surrendering the first round picks helps prevent the additional payroll burden and roster spots. In addition, this team has enough young players, and needs to add veterans instead.

PG: Kemba
SG: Smart
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Gobert
I'd modify that trade a bit more like this

Boston - Gobert, Oladipo
Indiana - Hayward, Langford, future BOS 1st
Utah - Turner, Theis, 14, 26, 30

I think that trade makes more sense for all 3 teams.

Starters - Walker, Oladipo, Brown, Tatum, Gobert
Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

If Oladipo is healthy and returns mostly to form, I think that is a team that can actually compete with the real contenders next year. 
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #137 on: October 26, 2020, 11:17:38 PM »

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Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck

It makes no sense to give up Langford and four firsts to win now if weíre not going to improve our bench.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #138 on: October 26, 2020, 11:42:43 PM »

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We will not win a title with Kemba Walker or any PG that makes more than 10 million a year not named Steph Curry as our starter.

Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #139 on: October 27, 2020, 03:20:11 AM »

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Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck

It makes no sense to give up Langford and four firsts to win now if weíre not going to improve our bench.
To be fair that starting 5 looks incredible, surely we can nab some ring-chasing veterans to shore up our bench?
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #140 on: October 27, 2020, 08:08:21 AM »

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Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck

It makes no sense to give up Langford and four firsts to win now if weíre not going to improve our bench.
To be fair that starting 5 looks incredible, surely we can nab some ring-chasing veterans to shore up our bench?

I would suspect so.  But as listed, itís the same bench minus Langford, which is to say itís a putrid bench.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #141 on: October 27, 2020, 09:04:16 AM »

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I think Gordon would prefer to return to Indianapolis..plus did he just buy a house there???
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #142 on: October 27, 2020, 09:23:47 AM »

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Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck

It makes no sense to give up Langford and four firsts to win now if weíre not going to improve our bench.
To be fair that starting 5 looks incredible, surely we can nab some ring-chasing veterans to shore up our bench?

I would suspect so.  But as listed, itís the same bench minus Langford, which is to say itís a putrid bench.
Sure, but that isn't going to be fixed if you upgrade the starting lineup.  And it is the same bench that this board thought was good enough this year with a lesser starting lineup than the one that we end up with in that trade.  If the Williams continue to improve (and there is no reason to think they won't) then that is 4 or 5 decent bench players (Smart, Kanter, and then whatever you think of Wanamaker).  I mean is that bench really any worse than Herro, Nunn, Olynyk, and Iguodala or Rondo, Caruso, Morris, and Kuzma.  Even the Nuggets who were pretty deep only really played Porter, Morris, Plumlee, and Craig in the WCF.  The Clippers have 2 great players on their bench, but they also started Beverley and Zubac who aren't exactly good (I'd take Smart and Kanter over those two any day of the week) with JaMychal Green and Landry Shamet rounding out the rotation. 

That bench is absolutely good enough if the starting lineup is good enough, and I do think that starting lineup is good enough if Oladipo is healthy and even 85-90% of what he was.  Tatum wouldn't even need to jump up into the MVP discussion under that scenario as Boston's top 5 would compare favorably to just about ever team in the league given the overall depth and quality that Walker, Oladipo, Brown, Tatum, and Gobert would provide.
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #143 on: October 27, 2020, 11:21:27 AM »

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Rotation - Smart, Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Williams, Williams, Kanter
Deep Bench - Edwards, Green, Fall, Waters/Poirier

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck

It makes no sense to give up Langford and four firsts to win now if weíre not going to improve our bench.
To be fair that starting 5 looks incredible, surely we can nab some ring-chasing veterans to shore up our bench?

I would suspect so.  But as listed, itís the same bench minus Langford, which is to say itís a putrid bench.
Sure, but that isn't going to be fixed if you upgrade the starting lineup.  And it is the same bench that this board thought was good enough this year with a lesser starting lineup than the one that we end up with in that trade.  If the Williams continue to improve (and there is no reason to think they won't) then that is 4 or 5 decent bench players (Smart, Kanter, and then whatever you think of Wanamaker).  I mean is that bench really any worse than Herro, Nunn, Olynyk, and Iguodala or Rondo, Caruso, Morris, and Kuzma.  Even the Nuggets who were pretty deep only really played Porter, Morris, Plumlee, and Craig in the WCF.  The Clippers have 2 great players on their bench, but they also started Beverley and Zubac who aren't exactly good (I'd take Smart and Kanter over those two any day of the week) with JaMychal Green and Landry Shamet rounding out the rotation. 

That bench is absolutely good enough if the starting lineup is good enough, and I do think that starting lineup is good enough if Oladipo is healthy and even 85-90% of what he was.  Tatum wouldn't even need to jump up into the MVP discussion under that scenario as Boston's top 5 would compare favorably to just about ever team in the league given the overall depth and quality that Walker, Oladipo, Brown, Tatum, and Gobert would provide.

I was initially thinking of the trade you proposed, but decided against it in my posted trade. My reasoning was holding onto Langford to help lower payroll, and I see him taking over the starting SG spot with Brown moving to SF by '21-'22. However, I understand going all in and trading for Oladipo.

As far as the bench is concerned in this scenario, I'm OK with it. I'm also assuming a veteran ring chaser will sign, based on that starting lineup. Speaking of which, with 5 starters that can each score, Brad Stevens could stagger the rotations where there are always two starters on the floor to help maintain scoring. I doubt we will see the starters come off the floor, and 5 bench players replace them, unless its garbage time.

Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #144 on: October 27, 2020, 11:29:03 AM »

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If the Celtics were to trade with the Pacers I would think that the only reasonable package coming back would include Dipo and Turner.
And if that were to happen I would assume the team would want to shop Kemba to make Dipo the starting PG?

Kemba to NYK
#8, #26, Hayward and Romeo to Indiana
Dipo, Turner,, Ellington a TPE worth 20 million to Boston

I am far from sold on Turner as a player, and not huge on Dipo, but if everyone played to potential team would be pretty lethal defensively.

Dipo
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner

*shrug*

Maybe Brogdon instead of Dipo?



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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #145 on: October 28, 2020, 02:03:53 AM »

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Boston: Rudy Gobert
Indiana: Gordon Hayward
Utah: Myles Turner, Daniel Theis, Bostonís 2020 picks #14, 26, 30

Indiana gets the player they have been rumored to want. It also opens up the Center position for Sabonis to take over full time.

Does Utah have any concerns of Gobert walking? How is the relationship with Gobert and Mitchell. Turner is signed for the next 3 years at a manageable $18M per, and is still only 24 years old.

Boston gets a legitimate big man that they desperately need. Surrendering the first round picks helps prevent the additional payroll burden and roster spots. In addition, this team has enough young players, and needs to add veterans instead.

PG: Kemba
SG: Smart
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Gobert

I love this. Iíd even throw in another first rounder. Would like to somehow keep Theis, though.

Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #146 on: November 12, 2020, 04:18:32 PM »

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Well, this has taken traction real fast.  Reports all over Twitter about active discussions involving Hayward/Turner:

https://985thesportshub.com/2020/11/12/celtics-have-discussed-framework-of-gordon-hayward-trade/

Another from Adam Kaufman says:  "It's possible the #Celtics flip picks and Kemba Walker to the #Pelicans for Jrue Holiday, and send Gordon Hayward to the #Pacers for a deal involving Myles Turner."
 
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #147 on: November 12, 2020, 04:41:01 PM »

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Well, this has taken traction real fast.  Reports all over Twitter about active discussions involving Hayward/Turner:

https://985thesportshub.com/2020/11/12/celtics-have-discussed-framework-of-gordon-hayward-trade/

Another from Adam Kaufman says:  "It's possible the #Celtics flip picks and Kemba Walker to the #Pelicans for Jrue Holiday, and send Gordon Hayward to the #Pacers for a deal involving Myles Turner."
 
Flipping Kemba and all our first round picks would be a huge overpay. Kemba + a 1st for Jrue and Miller is fair
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Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #148 on: November 12, 2020, 04:55:31 PM »

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I can't imagine we'd want anyone from the Pacers, they're all bad fits vs any team that would matter in the playoffs except maybe Olidipo who you can't trust

Re: Rumor: Pacers interested in Hayward
« Reply #149 on: November 12, 2020, 04:58:37 PM »

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Just watch some more Turner highlights trying to get a different opinion.... I just canít, heís really bad and his IQ just isnít a good fit for what the Celtics are trying to accomplish. Iíd rather Turner go to a 3rd team and run with Theis if I had to choose from the 2.

Ultimately Iíd rather ZUBAC! Find a way to steal Zubac from the clippers and Iím DOWN!

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