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Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2020, 09:40:42 PM »

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Trade all three first, and Hayward
to Hawks for 6th pick and Dedmon.

Move Dedmon to Rockets for Covington.

6 take Okongwu
47 draft Sam Merrill.

Sign Waters and Tacko to two ways again.

Let Wanna go. Let Kanter go. Let Semi go.

Walker, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Okongwu
Smart, Langford, Covington, GW, RW
Edwards, Merrill, J. Green, VP

One spot open for a Vet to sign.

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2020, 10:49:47 PM »

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1. Extend Tatum with max deal

2. Hayward opts out/extends for 4 years/$80 mil

3. Cs sign Tristan Thompson with MLE

5. Trade Kanter + 30th pick to SAC for Bjelica

6. Pick up team option on Theis

7. Draft Maxey @14 and Pokusevski @26 (draft and stash)

8. Sign IT for bench/mentor role

Starters: Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Hayward/Thompson
Bench: Smart/Langford/Bjelica/Theis/Williams/Williams/Maxey/IT/Ojeleye/Edwards

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2020, 11:01:12 PM »

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Trade all three first, and Hayward
to Hawks for 6th pick and Dedmon.

Move Dedmon to Rockets for Covington.

6 take Okongwu
47 draft Sam Merrill.

Sign Waters and Tacko to two ways again.

Let Wanna go. Let Kanter go. Let Semi go.

Walker, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Okongwu
Smart, Langford, Covington, GW, RW
Edwards, Merrill, J. Green, VP

One spot open for a Vet to sign.
Kanter has a player option so it is his choice not ours. 

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2020, 11:05:36 PM »

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Trade all three first, and Hayward
to Hawks for 6th pick and Dedmon.

Move Dedmon to Rockets for Covington.

6 take Okongwu
47 draft Sam Merrill.

Sign Waters and Tacko to two ways again.

Let Wanna go. Let Kanter go. Let Semi go.

Walker, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Okongwu
Smart, Langford, Covington, GW, RW
Edwards, Merrill, J. Green, VP

One spot open for a Vet to sign.
Kanter has a player option so it is his choice not ours.
I'm assuming he opts out given it's only 5 million. I don't bring him back.

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2020, 11:09:07 PM »

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Trade all three first, and Hayward
to Hawks for 6th pick and Dedmon.

Move Dedmon to Rockets for Covington.

6 take Okongwu
47 draft Sam Merrill.

Sign Waters and Tacko to two ways again.

Let Wanna go. Let Kanter go. Let Semi go.

Walker, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Okongwu
Smart, Langford, Covington, GW, RW
Edwards, Merrill, J. Green, VP

One spot open for a Vet to sign.
Kanter has a player option so it is his choice not ours.
I'm assuming he opts out given it's only 5 million. I don't bring him back.
I doubt Kanter can get a better deal.  His talents aren't in high demand. 

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2020, 11:15:44 PM »

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Several folks have suggested Hayward opting out for 4yr/75-80M deal.  I don't see that as realistic when he has a 1yr/34M option.  If he does opt out, I'd expect him to get 4yr/100M range.   

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2020, 11:18:55 PM »

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Trade all three first, and Hayward
to Hawks for 6th pick and Dedmon.

Move Dedmon to Rockets for Covington.

6 take Okongwu
47 draft Sam Merrill.

Sign Waters and Tacko to two ways again.

Let Wanna go. Let Kanter go. Let Semi go.

Walker, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Okongwu
Smart, Langford, Covington, GW, RW
Edwards, Merrill, J. Green, VP

One spot open for a Vet to sign.
Kanter has a player option so it is his choice not ours.
I'm assuming he opts out given it's only 5 million. I don't bring him back.
I doubt Kanter can get a better deal.  His talents aren't in high demand.
I think if he opts in that would be good. It's a low level contract to help match salaries. But don't see us getting that lucky. Seems anyone leaving here gets paid a lot more than expected.

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2020, 11:23:12 PM »

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Several folks have suggested Hayward opting out for 4yr/75-80M deal.  I don't see that as realistic when he has a 1yr/34M option.  If he does opt out, I'd expect him to get 4yr/100M range.   

Same people though Horford would do the exact same thing for us. Economically speaking, Hayward would, in essence, take a 3yr/$46M extension? Even when his value is at an all-time low, thatís still not a good contract for him to get stuck into if he regains his all-star form. If he doesnít, it doesnít really matter, heís already got that nine-figure deal under his belt.

If he opts out (I donít think he does, I believe he gambles on himself having a great 2021 season), Iím sure the money will be there from someone (like it was for Horford).
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Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2020, 11:27:01 PM »

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Several folks have suggested Hayward opting out for 4yr/75-80M deal.  I don't see that as realistic when he has a 1yr/34M option.  If he does opt out, I'd expect him to get 4yr/100M range.   
I was reviewing contracts and rumors for around the league and 1+1 seems to be popular option. At $52 million he might consider it from C's or another team.

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2020, 12:15:01 AM »

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Grab Tyrell Terry at #14 and one of (preferably both) Bane and Tillman with our latter picks.

Sign Jeff Green on a minimum contract in free agency to replace Semi in FA and re-sign Wannamaker and Hayward.

Ideal roster
PG: Kemba, Wannamaker, Terry
SG: Jaylen, Smart, Bane
SF: Hayward, Jeff Green, Langford
PF: Tatum, Grant, Tillman
C: Theis, Kanter, Robert
Really believe this team can contend for the title next season if Brad tweaks his schemes a bit in the offseason.

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2020, 04:05:04 AM »

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Trade Brown, Langford, all three 2020 first-round picks, our 2022 first-rounder, our 2024 first-rounder and our 2026 first-rounder

For:

Giannis OR Kawhi

Both of them want to be the foil to LeBron/ADís Lakers, so where is a better place to do that than Boston? We need to get to 18 before the Lakers do, so we need a transformative superstar ASAP. We have more assets than others to make it happen with one of these two superstars who still havenít found a championship home. Obviously Giannis is preferable for his age alone. Letís get this done so we can win 18 next year (and 19 the year after, 20 the year after that, ...)

Hayward will definitely opt-in, so try to get us below the luxury line this year with a restructured five year deal that provides security to him and luxury tax relief for us prior to our new dynastyís first championship. Itís risky, but he can definitely become a Manu-like central figure in our dynasty led by Stevens.

Kanter will probably opt-in, and he complements Theis very well. But if we can get a better defensive/rebounding center at the MLE (see below), see who wants to get Kanter for a 2024 or 2026 first-round lottery-protected pick (or lottery-protected first-round swap in 2023 or 2025). If he opts-out, oh well.

Make it clear to Tatum and Smart that they are getting massive (max in Tatumís case) extensions next offseason after we win the NBA championship. They are the perfect number 2 and 3 to Giannis or Kawhi.

Kemba is going nowhere. Heís our PG, heís a boss, and heís going to live out at least this contract because itís hard enough getting free agents to come to Boston.

Continue to develop R. Williams, G. Williams and C. Edwards.

Let Ojeleye, Wanamaker and Green go.

Trade Poirier for a 2024 second-round pick (or a 2024 second-round swap). Package our 2020 second-round pick, too, maybe in exchange for a 2022 second-round swap.

Sign E. Turner, I. Thomas, J. Jerebko, and Shelvin Mack (Stevens/Hayward connection via Butler) at the vet minimum.

Convince T. Thompson (or another defensive/rebounding center) to take the MLE to get back at LeBron.

Give Tacko a 3-4 year deal as our fan-favorite 15th man, and an eighth wonder of the world attraction.

Walker
Smart
Tatum
Giannis OR Kawhi
Theis

G. Hayward
T. Thompson
E. Turner
I. Thomas
J. Jerebko
C. Edwards
R. Williams
G. Williams
S. Mack
T. Fall
« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 04:24:56 AM by GreenlyGreeny »

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2020, 04:37:01 AM »

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Trade Brown, Langford, all three 2020 first-round picks, our 2022 first-rounder, our 2024 first-rounder and our 2026 first-rounder

For:

Giannis OR Kawhi

My goodness that's an overpay. Think about what Kawhi and Danny Green were traded for to Toronto: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a 1st round pick. At this stage Brown is at worst as good as DeRozan. So you're saying 6 first round picks < Poeltl and ONE 1st rounder?

Let's look at the Paul George trade - SGA, Gallinari and 5 first round picks. That's about equal to the trade you're proposing on paper, except for the fact that PG13 is contracted for years while both Kawhi and Giannis are not contracted for as long. So again, you're paying considerably more than the market has dictated MVP level wings are worth. And at the stage of being traded, Paul George was a 28/8/4 wing with elite defence who finished 3rd in the MVP race.

How about the Westbrook trade - Chris Paul & 4 first round picks. I would say that this again is an inferior trade package to the one you're offering for Giannis or Kawhi.

I'm not too against trading for Giannis if we had knowledge that he'd sign long-term with us. But given that's an impossibility, I would be overly wary. I don't think there's a precedent for the kind of insane proposal you're offering.

An All-Star level 23 year-old wing on a below-max deal, a lottery pick as of last year and SIX first rounders is a never before seen kind of trade package

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2020, 08:26:51 AM »

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1. Trade Kemba + Theis + #14 + #26 + #30 for Ben Simmons + Mike Scott


https://tradenba.com/trades/QYhiedMUW

2. Draft Isaiah Joe or Sam Merrill at #47.
3. Pick up Semi's team option. I'm higher on Semi than most of you guys are. I believe he's a serviceable 3+D swing.
4. Re-sign Wanamaker. He's a ball handler who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. That's a pretty rare combo. Poor man's George Hill.
5. If Kanter opts in, trade him for cap relief + whatever future pick(s) we can get. If he opts out, let him walk.
6. Cut Javonte Green. He's on a non-guaranteed contract.
7. Cut Poirier and eat his salary.
8. Sign Drew Eubanks for the minimum. He is nothing special, but he plays with great motor and he's strong enough to slow down traditional Centers in the paint. Alternatively, sign Noah Vonleh for the minimum and use him as a stretch 5.
9. Sign a 3rd stringer SF for the minimum. Couldn't care less who we sign. My plan would be to give all the backup SG and SF minutes to Romeo.
10. Let Waters and Tacko walk. Wouldn't even offer them a 2-way contract. Maybe keep Tacko cause he's a cult figure? Meh, whatever.

PG: Smart - Wanamaker - Edwards
SG: Brown - Romeo - Isaiah Joe
SF: Hayward - Semi - vet/rookie min
PF: Tatum - G. Williams - Mike Scott
C: Simmons - Timelord - Eubanks

Again, give Romeo all the backup minutes at the SG and SF positions.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 08:49:56 AM by Jvalin »

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2020, 08:52:51 AM »

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1. Trade Kemba + Theis + #14 + #26 + #30 for Ben Simmons + Mike Scott


https://tradenba.com/trades/QYhiedMUW

2. Draft Isaiah Joe or Sam Merrill at #47.
3. Pick up Semi's team option. I'm higher on Semi than most of you guys are. I believe he's a serviceable 3+D swing.
4. Re-sign Wanamaker. He's a ball handler who's perfectly happy to play off the ball. That's a pretty rare combo. Poor man's George Hill.
5. If Kanter opts in, trade him for cap relief + whatever future pick(s) we can get. If he opts out, let him walk.
6. Cut Javonte Green. He's on a non-guaranteed contract.
7. Cut Poirier and eat his salary.
8. Sign Drew Eubanks for the minimum. He is nothing special, but he plays with great motor and he's strong enough to slow down traditional Centers in the paint. Alternatively, sign Noah Vonleh for the minimum and use him as a stretch 5.
9. Sign a 3rd stringer SF for the minimum. Couldn't care less who we sign. My plan would be to give all the backup SG and SF minutes to Romeo.
10. Let Waters and Tacko walk. Wouldn't even offer them a 2-way contract. Maybe keep Tacko cause he's a cult figure? Meh, whatever.

PG: Smart - Wanamaker - Edwards
SG: Brown - Romeo - Isaiah Joe
SF: Hayward - Semi - vet/rookie min
PF: Tatum - G. Williams - Mike Scott
C: Simmons - Timelord - Eubanks

Again, give Romeo all the backup minutes at the SG and SF positions.
You're never gonna convince me that Ben Simmons will be willing and/or able to play full time center.
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SG: Kyrie Irving / Raja Bell / Danny Green
SF: Rip Hamiltion / Glenn Robinson / Robert Covington
PF: Carmelo Anthony / Draymond Green / Anthony Mason
C: Tim Duncan / DeMarcus Cousins / Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Re: Map Out Your Ideal, Quasi-Realistic Off-season
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2020, 08:55:47 AM »

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Roy - I too was attempting to figure out what type of trade it would take to acquire JJ Redick. I think it'd have to be Romeo and Poirier plus a pick or 2. I would do it in a second. If NOP agreed I think there'd be some really interesting discussion surrounding how the lineups would be.

Who starts? 

You could bring Gordon and JJ off the bench. You could bring Smart and JJ off the bench. You could bring Gordon and Smart off the bench. I think we could really get creative with lineups.

It'd be a real 7 man playoff team, with Grant/RWill getting some spot mins.