Hayward Out 4 Weeks (Per Shams)

[gouki88]

It's possible we may have seen Gordon's last game in Green, if he's unable to make it back and chooses not to opt-in after the end of the season. 

He probably opts in, I reckon at least. He’s due a big payday from it. I also reckon he could get a 3/55 type extension after that too. I don’t see his game declining for a while.

[GreenShooter]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/08/20/gordon-hayward-ankle-injury-gutting-boston-celtics-nba-playoffs/

“It’s definitely gutting and it sucks,” said Hayward, balancing on his crutches as he sat for his Zoom session. “There’s nothing else to say about it. It’s definitely frustrating. It doesn’t feel great at the moment. Just trying to get better as soon as I can.”

[Neurotic Guy]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/08/20/gordon-hayward-ankle-injury-gutting-boston-celtics-nba-playoffs/

“It’s definitely gutting and it sucks,” said Hayward, balancing on his crutches as he sat for his Zoom session. “There’s nothing else to say about it. It’s definitely frustrating. It doesn’t feel great at the moment. Just trying to get better as soon as I can.”

I can't imagine his frustration.  Gordon had been looking quick and limber -- on a level he hadn't been since the first injury.  It was so great to watch him move like that.  If he gets back in the bubble he'll be something less than 100%.   

[ozgod]

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/08/20/gordon-hayward-ankle-injury-gutting-boston-celtics-nba-playoffs/

“It’s definitely gutting and it sucks,” said Hayward, balancing on his crutches as he sat for his Zoom session. “There’s nothing else to say about it. It’s definitely frustrating. It doesn’t feel great at the moment. Just trying to get better as soon as I can.”

From the Boston Globe:

When Gordon Hayward landed awkwardly on his right foot after going up for a rebound in the final minutes of the Celtics’ playoff win over the 76ers Monday, he was not sure how severe the injury was, but he was sure that it was not good.

“I knew right away,” Hayward said Thursday. “I heard it and felt it and knew it wasn’t just your casual rolled ankle. It was swollen by the time I was leaving the court, so I knew that it was definitely worse than normal.”

He was given a walking boot and he left the arena on crutches, and an MRI later revealed that he had a Grade 3 ankle sprain, which involves a complete ligament tear. Hayward is expected to be sidelined for about four weeks, but he said Thursday that the timeline is unclear, because so much will depend on how his body responds to treatment.

“The mental side of rehab is by far more difficult than the physical side of rehab,” Hayward said. “There’s a lot of time when you are alone and a lot of time when you are contemplating, a lot of time to think.

“The mental side is the hardest part. I think having good people around you is very key, it’s very important, and I definitely have that.”

Hayward said that for now he is planning to stay in the Orlando bubble to receive treatment. Boston’s medical staff is there, and he can support his teammates in person. Also, if Hayward leaves Orlando, he would face a mandatory four-day quarantine upon his return. Hayward joked that maybe some Disney magic would speed up his recovery.

But the situation is a bit complicated. Hayward’s wife, Robyn, is expecting the couple’s fourth child in September. Hayward was already planning to leave Orlando to be there for the baby’s birth, and he said he will consider potential options now.

“I think it’s two separate things, but it’s something I’m taking a look at,” he said. “It’s just very unfortunate, the timing of the whole deal, so I think I’m just trying to take it day by day.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/20/sports/gordon-haywards-playoff-status-uncertain-beyond-four-weeks-its-definitely-gutting/

Get better soon Gordon!

[LilRip]

The schedules have thrown me off so I hope someone can help me out. Assuming we don’t get eliminated, is there a chance GH can still play within the playoffs? Will he come back mid ECF or something?

(Assume a 4 week recovery time)

[gouki88]

The schedules have thrown me off so I hope someone can help me out. Assuming we don’t get eliminated, is there a chance GH can still play within the playoffs? Will he come back mid ECF or something?

(Assume a 4 week recovery time)

The Conference Finals begin on the 15th of September and go through until the 30th, so if we’re in it that deep he could return sometime then

[Phantom255x]

The schedules have thrown me off so I hope someone can help me out. Assuming we don’t get eliminated, is there a chance GH can still play within the playoffs? Will he come back mid ECF or something?

(Assume a 4 week recovery time)

The Conference Finals begin on the 15th of September and go through until the 30th, so if we’re in it that deep he could return sometime then

I want to believe so, but a Grade 3 sprain doesn't seem like 4 weeks, probably more like 6 weeks and even that's best case scenario. But with that timeline, I guess it's possible at the earliest Hayward could maybe return in the middle of a hypothetical ECF (like Game 3 or 4)? If not, I think Finals is a legit possibility, if we even make it

[ozgod]

The schedules have thrown me off so I hope someone can help me out. Assuming we don’t get eliminated, is there a chance GH can still play within the playoffs? Will he come back mid ECF or something?

(Assume a 4 week recovery time)

The Conference Finals begin on the 15th of September and go through until the 30th, so if we’re in it that deep he could return sometime then

I want to believe so, but a Grade 3 sprain doesn't seem like 4 weeks, probably more like 6 weeks and even that's best case scenario. But with that timeline, I guess it's possible at the earliest Hayward could maybe return in the middle of a hypothetical ECF (like Game 3 or 4)? If not, I think Finals is a legit possibility, if we even make it

I personally think they will shut him down unless we get to the Finals. The last thing they will want is for him to aggravate it and affect his final year here, or affect his trade value.

[Rikibellevie]

The schedules have thrown me off so I hope someone can help me out. Assuming we don’t get eliminated, is there a chance GH can still play within the playoffs? Will he come back mid ECF or something?

(Assume a 4 week recovery time)

The Conference Finals begin on the 15th of September and go through until the 30th, so if we’re in it that deep he could return sometime then

I want to believe so, but a Grade 3 sprain doesn't seem like 4 weeks, probably more like 6 weeks and even that's best case scenario. But with that timeline, I guess it's possible at the earliest Hayward could maybe return in the middle of a hypothetical ECF (like Game 3 or 4)? If not, I think Finals is a legit possibility, if we even make it

I personally think they will shut him down unless we get to the Finals. The last thing they will want is for him to aggravate it and affect his final year here, or affect his trade value.

If we see it in another way, it would make also his future contract cheaper ...    

[NorthStation]

Misses year 1 playoffs with the ankle injury.
Averages 9.6 points a game year 2 in the playoffs still recovering from injury.
Exits game one of year 3 playoffs with ankle injury.

Its not his fault, so unlucky. But man, tough to swallow.

Not tough to swallow at all, at least not in the sense that I blame or feel any ill will toward him.  I know he cares but he’s had a bad run of luck.  It’s really too bad.

Exactly. Bad luck to twist his ankle and bad too. I feel for the guy. That looks like a painful injury that takes weeks to heal.

[NorthStation]

I wish nothing more than the best for Gordon moving forward. I would be perfectly happy signing him to a reasonable extension, but even that extension will be an overpay. Who would Cs fans rather have moving forward - Smart or Hayward? Tough question, right? But even in the best scenario, Gordon will be making twice what Smart is now (and likely almost 3x if he picks up his option).

I think a good deal for Hayward would be $15-20 million per year.  I am certain he'll want much more than that.

When healthy he has shown he still has borderline All-Star level talent. 

But given how redundant his skillset is with the Jays and how often he isn't healthy and available, I would rather the team try to allocate resources elsewhere.

I am not sure Hayward will ever be All Star level talent. The left leg injury makes Gordon damaged goods. I mean that was bad. He's doing great just to be able to play as well as he has. No team will hand him a big contract after that injury,

[GreenShooter]

I wish nothing more than the best for Gordon moving forward. I would be perfectly happy signing him to a reasonable extension, but even that extension will be an overpay. Who would Cs fans rather have moving forward - Smart or Hayward? Tough question, right? But even in the best scenario, Gordon will be making twice what Smart is now (and likely almost 3x if he picks up his option).

I think a good deal for Hayward would be $15-20 million per year.  I am certain he'll want much more than that.

When healthy he has shown he still has borderline All-Star level talent. 

But given how redundant his skillset is with the Jays and how often he isn't healthy and available, I would rather the team try to allocate resources elsewhere.

I am not sure Hayward will ever be All Star level talent. The left leg injury makes Gordon damaged goods. I mean that was bad. He's doing great just to be able to play as well as he has. No team will hand him a big contract after that injury,

A lot of people thought Paul George was done after his similar injury. He got paid and he's a still a force.

Edit: as for all-star level talent, he was playing really well on a team with Tatum, Brown and Walker. He'll never be at the Utah level on this team but only because of the rest of the all-star level talent around him...like 3 others. This team is (will be) better than the Pistons of  '03 - '06 that had Billups, Rip, Prince, Wallace and Sheed. Let that sink in for a minute. We just need a Ben Wallace-type who can shoot the 3 at a decent clip (easier said than done) and we're good to roll.

[footey]

Reading more about the recovery time between Grade 2 ankle sprain (4-6 weeks) and Grade 3 sprain (several months), the Celtics report that he sustained a Grade 3 sprain and is expected to miss 4 weeks makes no sense.  A Grade 3 sprain involves a complete tear of the ligaments, and is often followed up with surgery.

I'm hoping that Hayward only sustained a Grade 2, which matches the projected time table for his return of 4 weeks (2 and a half weeks to go).

If he really did sustain a Grade 3 sprain, there is no way he would be coming back for the playoffs; his season would be finished.

Hope one of the reporters clears this up by asking the team at some point.

[hpantazo]

Reading more about the recovery time between Grade 2 ankle sprain (4-6 weeks) and Grade 3 sprain (several months), the Celtics report that he sustained a Grade 3 sprain and is expected to miss 4 weeks makes no sense.  A Grade 3 sprain involves a complete tear of the ligaments, and is often followed up with surgery.

I'm hoping that Hayward only sustained a Grade 2, which matches the projected time table for his return of 4 weeks (2 and a half weeks to go).

If he really did sustain a Grade 3 sprain, there is no way he would be coming back for the playoffs; his season would be finished.

Hope one of the reporters clears this up by asking the team at some point.

Yeah, I had a grade 3 ankle sprain back in college and I couldn't walk without crutches for 3 months. I didn't regain normal running ability for a year, and didn't regain normal ankle mobility for another 2 years. If he had a grade 3 sprain he's not coming back for these playoffs.

[GreenEnvy]

I wish nothing more than the best for Gordon moving forward. I would be perfectly happy signing him to a reasonable extension, but even that extension will be an overpay. Who would Cs fans rather have moving forward - Smart or Hayward? Tough question, right? But even in the best scenario, Gordon will be making twice what Smart is now (and likely almost 3x if he picks up his option).

I think a good deal for Hayward would be $15-20 million per year.  I am certain he'll want much more than that.

When healthy he has shown he still has borderline All-Star level talent. 

But given how redundant his skillset is with the Jays and how often he isn't healthy and available, I would rather the team try to allocate resources elsewhere.

I am not sure Hayward will ever be All Star level talent. The left leg injury makes Gordon damaged goods. I mean that was bad. He's doing great just to be able to play as well as he has. No team will hand him a big contract after that injury,

A lot of people thought Paul George was done after his similar injury. He got paid and he's a still a force.

Edit: as for all-star level talent, he was playing really well on a team with Tatum, Brown and Walker. He'll never be at the Utah level on this team but only because of the rest of the all-star level talent around him...like 3 others. This team is (will be) better than the Pistons of  '03 - '06 that had Billups, Rip, Prince, Wallace and Sheed. Let that sink in for a minute. We just need a Ben Wallace-type who can shoot the 3 at a decent clip (easier said than done) and we're good to roll.

Stats-wise, that’s fine. When you surround yourself with elite talent, the numbers dip. I feel Hayward was absolutely playing as well this season as he was in Utah. KG/Pierce/Allen all saw decreases in their stats when they came together, but did they become worse players? Probably the contrary.

Hayward obviously has had several years of bad luck. But he’s still a fantastic ballplayer when he’s healthy.