2020 Historical Draft Thread: Draft over. Playoffs coming soon!

[Somebody]

With the final pick of the third round, the Brooklyn Nets select:  Shawn Marion

This was the guy in my mind when I mentioned All-NBA calibre wings with a less ball dominant game. Excellent pick.

I do have a question.

Not that I think Shawn Marion can't play wing, I believe he can, but his two All-NBA seasons he played as a PF.

Is that a bit of a dillemma?

I think there was a season earlier on during his career that can be looked as an All-NBA calibre season, it wasn't far off from his best two seasons.

Through his prime Marion played both positions depending on 5 man groupings. Right now Dons has McGrady at SG, Marion at SF and Davis at PF but depending on his 5 man groupings he could very easily have McGrady at SF, Marion at PF and Davis at center and really, not miss a beat in overall quality at those positions. I really like Brooklyn because of that versatility.

Yeah agreed.

[Somebody]

IMO, Vince, Mailman, and Pau are the 3 best picks of the round.  Just overall great seasons from great players (though Malone is obviously limited given he was nearing the end of the line).  Some guys taken that I thought were much more late 4th or 5th round type talents (and Tony Parker I might have back much further than that, always hard to really gauge his career given he was always in someone else's shadow and never was elite at anything - like does he have that extra gear).  Also, some questionable teammate players taken while other questionable teammate players that are vastly superior are still on the board.

I actually rated Malone as a high end All-NBA power forward in '00, his offence was still really high impact for a big imo. Obviously he has defensive issues, but I can see a frontline of Giannis and Mourning just bludgeoning opposing attackers with power, speed and intensity to minimise the damage.

Edit: missed your post that explained why he was limited - yeah I understand your point.

Thank you for the kind analysis.  I quibble about Malone having defensive issues, though.  He was an All-NBA defender, at that point the third best defensive power forward behind KG and Duncan.

Ah this is another in-era issue imo. Malone was definitely a good defensive power forward in 2000 (although I don't think he was an All-League defender, there were some PFs who were stellar on that end), but that was because the era played to his defensive strengths - slow pace, lots of isolation basketball and not many two man/three man games that can really stress a big's mobility and defensive awareness (Malone had quick feet and decent DIQ, but he wasn't quick enough to cover stuff like the high PnR and wasn't a maestro on defence to make up for it with constantly active team defence and sound positioning). I definitely think that a modern offence can take advantage of his defensive deficiencies.

[Jvalin]

though Malone is obviously limited given he was nearing the end of the line

That may be the perception, but 2000 Malone was about as limited as aging 2020 Lebron.  26 / 10 / 5.  He wasn’t Prime Malone, but he was 95% of it.

The Jazz had the 2nd best record in the league in 1999-2000. Malone was 36 years old at the start of the season, but he was still a super star. After all, he had won the MVP in 1998-1999 (the season before).

I was between Luka and Malone when I was on the clock. Great pick, especially at #36!

Are you planning to keep all of Giannis-Malone-Mourning? I mean, none of these guys stretches the floor. They are all amazing players, but do you think that they could have played together?

Can't say I know enough about Mourning. I remember his buzzer beater from mid range against the C's. Would he be a stretch big in today's game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN4FgHajfTg

[Roy H.]

Are you planning to keep all of Giannis-Malone-Mourning? I mean, none of these guys stretches the floor. They are all amazing players, but do you think that they could have played togethe

For now, I’m going to make a go of it.  Giannis has played substantial minutes at all five positions in his career, and his 31% 3PT shooting isn’t good, but it keeps teams from leaving him wide open.

Also, it’s up to everyone how they evaluate this factor, but I think if Malone and Mourning played in the modern era, they’d extend their range beyond the 3 PT lane.  Look at the number of current big men who transitioned between eras by adding a 3PT shot (names withheld, but can be revisited later).

[action781]

There are so many good players left.  I have a good team and I almost want to blow it all up to just collect 8-10 4th & 5th round picks and have at it.  I think you could still put together a great team with just what's left.

[Jvalin]

There are so many good players left.  I have a good team and I almost want to blow it all up to just collect 8-10 4th & 5th round picks and have at it.  I think you could still put together a great team with just what's left.

6 former MVPs of the league are eligible to be drafted.

(although I bet only 4 of them are gonna get drafted )

[Moranis]

There are so many good players left.  I have a good team and I almost want to blow it all up to just collect 8-10 4th & 5th round picks and have at it.  I think you could still put together a great team with just what's left.

6 former MVPs of the league are eligible to be drafted.

(although I bet only 4 of them are gonna get drafted )

Probably true, though I think it'd be fun to blow the last couple of picks on the other 2 just so you could have them on your team.

[RPGenerate]

I'm pretty happy with my team. Draymond may have been a bit of a reach, but I didn't think he would last until my next pick, and I love how well Duncan and Draymond fit together. Both on offense and defense, they synergize so well. I think my next move is a great scoring wing, and I believe there will be some nice ones left by the time my pick comes along.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Here's what I love about Ben Wallace.

Despite being just a defensive dynamo and limited on scoring, in the four years he was an all star he was on the top three in Win Shares, every year. His defense is so elite, that it actually contributes to A LOT of wins, and even a championship. 

He can, by no means, completely stop Shaquille O'Neal, but he's probably one of, if not the best option to do that in this draft (apart from Hack-A-Shaq).

We all know his interior defense is among the best, he rebounds the ball like a mad man, and his rim protection is uncanny, but his mobility and how he can cover ground would also translate well in a modern NBA setting, which makes him a good fit in this league.

Lastly, he gives our team a significant boost in hustle, heart and grit.

Man, am I so happy he dropped. As gouki88 said, the two Pauls would be very happy and shoot the ball freely knowing they have Big Ben cleaning up the boards and protecting them on the other side of the court.

[wdleehi]

I am happy with how my team is looking.   Three top level two way players that seem very switchable.

Curious what others think this team really needs.  I have my opinion but always curious.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

I am happy with how my team is looking.   Three top level two way players that seem very switchable.

Curious what others think this team really needs.  I have my opinion but always curious.

Would love to see this team with a defensive anchor in the middle and a stretch 4.

Thoughts on how to build around my Lillard/Kobe/Webber trio?

[wdleehi]

I am happy with how my team is looking.   Three top level two way players that seem very switchable.

Curious what others think this team really needs.  I have my opinion but always curious.

Would love to see this team with a defensive anchor in the middle and a stretch 4.

Thoughts on how to build around my Lillard/Kobe/Webber trio?

If Kobe can buy in to sharing (have always say that) then the offense is good.  3 and d would fit well.

[Who]

I am happy with how my team is looking.   Three top level two way players that seem very switchable.

Curious what others think this team really needs.  I have my opinion but always curious.

Your team is in strong shape. Your 3 perimeter guys can function well alongside any type of big man & in just about any type of team offense. I don't think your team needs anything in particular. Your three perimeter guys are so well rounded and so capable of playing alongside anyone that it leaves you lots of options left on the table.

I regard your team similar to Utah / Dallas. Strong starting base but the team's identity is yet to be decided until next 1-2 picks. Looking forward to seeing what type of bigs & team identity you choose.

[gouki88]

I love the trio of Curry, Brand and Hill. Brand crushed it as soon as the Clippers got a good PG, and Curry is a pretty darn good PG. Could score from the high and low-post, and was one of the best defensive PF’s of the era.

I think because of the presence of that holy trinity of PF’s he gets forgotten, but I rate Brand as highly as C-Webb due to his consistency and defence

[action781]

I am happy with how my team is looking.   Three top level two way players that seem very switchable.

Curious what others think this team really needs.  I have my opinion but always curious.

Your defense is very strong so far and there's nothing else that needs to be said about that.  I'd say you could use more playmaking.  Your team is near the bottom of the league so far in players with ability to create offense for themselves and teammates.  Not deep in the bottom, but near the bottom.  And you have 3 solid-strong finishers so far on offense, so you just really need 1 more creator.  This are my thoughts on your offense so far: 

• Chauncey isn't a guy that is great at creating his own offense, compared to the other players in this game.
• Chauncey isn't an exceptional passer overall (among the bottom of PGs drafted so far in that regard), but he's a good passer, particularly good in one aspect that works on your team.
• Klay isn't a guy that can create his own offense with the ball in his hands.
• Klay IS a guy who offense can be generated by running him off off-ball screens.
• Chauncey IS an almost ideal type of guy to securely pound the ball up top while Klay runs off off-ball screens and delivers passes to him in the perfect spot, the same way he used to for Rip in that Detroit offense. I really like this fit.
• Kawhi is a good 1-1 iso scorer, but not really going to make his teammates better on offense.

So you already have two good offensive options, other teams just have more.  Two might be enough though, to be honest.  I have a player available who I think would immensely add to your team's offense creation that I'll PM you.