2020 Historical Draft Thread: Draft over. Playoffs coming soon!

[Roy H.]

#12 Milwaukee - Good offensive players, just can't fully visualize the offensive fits with zero guards in the mix yet.  Spacing concerns relative to the other teams in the league.

I haven’t ruled out playing Giannis at PG.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Best offenses:

Elite Tier
#1 (tied) Utah and Boston
#3 Dallas - only not in tie for #1 because of questionable fit w/ LBJ and Luka, not talent
#4 LAL - stacked w/ offensive prowess and great fit
#5 LAC - I'd rate pretty comparable to #3 Dallas (slightly less talent, but more fit), which shows how close I think these top 5 all are
#6 Indiana - Love that TP-Dirk pick and pop

Strong, but not quite elite
#7 Miami - CP3 is a point god. Welcome to Lob City, Dwight.
#8 Houston - Strong, but just not sold on this Wade-Harden pairing.  Harden-Amare will be like Harden-Capela on steroids.
#9 Brooklyn - Two incredible offensive talents here with T-Mac and AD.  Why does something just feel a bit vanilla though?  Maybe not enough passing yet?  Maybe I'll come around.

Legit pretty good, but needs more Tier
#10 Philly - Got two solid actions they can run, but could use at least one more offensive action and that would shoot them up these rankings.
#11 Toronto - Good offensive players, just missing some creation relative to the rest of the league.  A point guard should help solve that.
#12 Milwaukee - Good offensive players, just can't fully visualize the offensive fits with zero guards in the mix yet.  Spacing concerns relative to the other teams in the league.

Need Some More Offense Tier
#13 Denver - Need some more creation, all I see here is Tim Duncan post ups (a solid play in itself).  Draymond's a great passer, but Duncan and Payton aren't the type to run off off-ball screens.  Get one of those kind of guys.  (PMing you a suggestion)
#14 OKC - Need some creation period!  Got some finishers in place.

Good analysis.  OKC could use one of those high usage scorers that have been dropping.

It's really becoming really hard. I'm debating myself as far as talent vs fit. But man, there are a couple of good creators out there that are easily gettable by the time I pick tomorrow.

[Moranis]

Team Rosters through 3 rounds:

Dallas: Lebron, Ray Allen, Doncic
Toronto:  KG, David Robinson, Vince Carter
Utah:  Shaq, J Kidd, Peja
Denver: Duncan, Payton, Draymond
LAC: Steph Curry, Grant Hill, Elton Brand
Philly: Kawhi, Klay, Chauncey
Boston: Durant, Nash, Pau Gasol
Milwaukee: Giannis, Alonzo Mourning, Karl Malone
LAL:  Kobe, Webber, Lilliard
Houston: D Wade, Harden, Amare
Indiana:  Dirk, Embiid, Tony Parker
OKC: Pierce, Paul George, Ben Wallace
Miami: CP3, Dwight, Jimmy Butler
Brooklyn: T-Mac, Ant Davis, Shawn Marion

Boston is my favorite team at the moment.  I think the C's have gotten the best overall value when looking at the 3 rounds, and has a tremendous fitting team.

I was not a fan of the KG selection at 2, but think Robinson and Carter were solid selections, especially Carter which has vaulted Toronto up near the top after the 3rd round.  I think Milwaukee also had a very strong 3rd round as the Mailman was not only BPA, but also continues the theme of toughness that the Bucks are bringing.  Bucks definitely need some floor spacers to round out the starting 5 to really ignite what is a nice start. 

The other two teams I liked after round 2, I didn't think had great round 3's.  I didn't like the Draymond pick for Denver.  Thought he was way too high and I think the idea of Draymond tiering players up was put to bed a bit this year as GS was the worst team in the league (despite having a reigning all star PG for much of the season).  I also question the offensive fit of Draymond and Duncan.  I think they need to operate much of the same space to both truly be effective.  Defensively they should be excellent (though I don't know if I'd want Duncan guarding Shaq, Robinson, etc.), but I just don't like the offensive fit.  As for Utah, I think Peja is fine fit, but I think there were far superior players available that would have made more sense. 

The team I think I'm most intrigued to see how it plays out is Dallas.  Lebron, Allen, and Doncic has the makings of an incredible team, but also could flame out with personality and fit clashes.  There is a big man available that I think would really work well with this team.  And speaking of fit clashes I think Miami has 3 huge problem children on the team and I'm not sure the best citizens in basketball history could straighten those 3 out.  I'd love to see that team in actual action to see how it would play out. 

[GreenFaith1819]

#12 Milwaukee - Good offensive players, just can't fully visualize the offensive fits with zero guards in the mix yet.  Spacing concerns relative to the other teams in the league.

I haven’t ruled out playing Giannis at PG.

And he CAN do that, in stretches...

Dude reminds me of KG so much....Greek Freak has truly worked at his craft....not settled at all....always getting better.

Would not surprise me if he stays in MIL forever....he's got so much KG in him except I think he's a hair more aggressive offensively than KG...KG is IMO a bit better defensively than him.

Have not crunched numbers but I think KG was on another level defensively but GF isn't far behind..

He's got an old-school mentality...didn't want to work out with LeBron over the summer because he did not see it as being competitive...

Love Greek Freak.

[action781]

Best offenses:

Elite Tier
#1 (tied) Utah and Boston
#3 Dallas - only not in tie for #1 because of questionable fit w/ LBJ and Luka, not talent
#4 LAL - stacked w/ offensive prowess and great fit
#5 LAC - I'd rate pretty comparable to #3 Dallas (slightly less talent, but more fit), which shows how close I think these top 5 all are
#6 Indiana - Love that TP-Dirk pick and pop

Strong, but not quite elite
#7 Miami - CP3 is a point god. Welcome to Lob City, Dwight.
#8 Houston - Strong, but just not sold on this Wade-Harden pairing.  Harden-Amare will be like Harden-Capela on steroids.
#9 Brooklyn - Two incredible offensive talents here with T-Mac and AD.  Why does something just feel a bit vanilla though?  Maybe not enough passing yet?  Maybe I'll come around.

Legit pretty good, but needs more Tier
#10 Philly - Got two solid actions they can run, but could use at least one more offensive action and that would shoot them up these rankings.
#11 Toronto - Good offensive players, just missing some creation relative to the rest of the league.  A point guard should help solve that.
#12 Milwaukee - Good offensive players, just can't fully visualize the offensive fits with zero guards in the mix yet.  Spacing concerns relative to the other teams in the league.

Need Some More Offense Tier
#13 Denver - Need some more creation, all I see here is Tim Duncan post ups (a solid play in itself).  Draymond's a great passer, but Duncan and Payton aren't the type to run off off-ball screens.  Get one of those kind of guys.  (PMing you a suggestion)
#14 OKC - Need some creation period!  Got some finishers in place.

Good analysis.  OKC could use one of those high usage scorers that have been dropping.

I'm not sure if those players will be the best fit to set up Pierce and George.  Maybe though.  I like a different point guard still available though who is basically a lite version of one of the top tier point guards.

[RPGenerate]

Team Rosters through 3 rounds:

Dallas: Lebron, Ray Allen, Doncic
Toronto:  KG, David Robinson, Vince Carter
Utah:  Shaq, J Kidd, Peja
Denver: Duncan, Payton, Draymond
LAC: Steph Curry, Grant Hill, Elton Brand
Philly: Kawhi, Klay, Chauncey
Boston: Durant, Nash, Pau Gasol
Milwaukee: Giannis, Alonzo Mourning, Karl Malone
LAL:  Kobe, Webber, Lilliard
Houston: D Wade, Harden, Amare
Indiana:  Dirk, Embiid, Tony Parker
OKC: Pierce, Paul George, Ben Wallace
Miami: CP3, Dwight, Jimmy Butler
Brooklyn: T-Mac, Ant Davis, Shawn Marion

Boston is my favorite team at the moment.  I think the C's have gotten the best overall value when looking at the 3 rounds, and has a tremendous fitting team.

I was not a fan of the KG selection at 2, but think Robinson and Carter were solid selections, especially Carter which has vaulted Toronto up near the top after the 3rd round.  I think Milwaukee also had a very strong 3rd round as the Mailman was not only BPA, but also continues the theme of toughness that the Bucks are bringing.  Bucks definitely need some floor spacers to round out the starting 5 to really ignite what is a nice start. 

The other two teams I liked after round 2, I didn't think had great round 3's.  I didn't like the Draymond pick for Denver.  Thought he was way too high and I think the idea of Draymond tiering players up was put to bed a bit this year as GS was the worst team in the league (despite having a reigning all star PG for much of the season).  I also question the offensive fit of Draymond and Duncan.  I think they need to operate much of the same space to both truly be effective.  Defensively they should be excellent (though I don't know if I'd want Duncan guarding Shaq, Robinson, etc.), but I just don't like the offensive fit.  As for Utah, I think Peja is fine fit, but I think there were far superior players available that would have made more sense. 

The team I think I'm most intrigued to see how it plays out is Dallas.  Lebron, Allen, and Doncic has the makings of an incredible team, but also could flame out with personality and fit clashes.  There is a big man available that I think would really work well with this team.  And speaking of fit clashes I think Miami has 3 huge problem children on the team and I'm not sure the best citizens in basketball history could straighten those 3 out.  I'd love to see that team in actual action to see how it would play out.

I'll try to defend my pick. First off, Curry played five games last year. That isn't "much of the season". Draymond thrives in playing with other high-level talent, and that's most important in this type of game. And I don't understand how they operate in the same space. Duncan is a low post/pick-and-roll guy; Draymond plays a bunch from the perimeter/high post. In the season I'm picking, Draymond had a really good shooting year from 3.

[gouki88]

What do folks think of my team? I have a specific target I want in the 4th round who I think will open things up on both ends, but always love to hear others thoughts

[tazzmaniac]

Best offenses:

Elite Tier
#1 (tied) Utah and Boston
#3 Dallas - only not in tie for #1 because of questionable fit w/ LBJ and Luka, not talent
#4 LAL - stacked w/ offensive prowess and great fit
#5 LAC - I'd rate pretty comparable to #3 Dallas (slightly less talent, but more fit), which shows how close I think these top 5 all are
#6 Indiana - Love that TP-Dirk pick and pop

Strong, but not quite elite
#7 Miami - CP3 is a point god. Welcome to Lob City, Dwight.
#8 Houston - Strong, but just not sold on this Wade-Harden pairing.  Harden-Amare will be like Harden-Capela on steroids.
#9 Brooklyn - Two incredible offensive talents here with T-Mac and AD.  Why does something just feel a bit vanilla though?  Maybe not enough passing yet?  Maybe I'll come around.

Legit pretty good, but needs more Tier
#10 Philly - Got two solid actions they can run, but could use at least one more offensive action and that would shoot them up these rankings.
#11 Toronto - Good offensive players, just missing some creation relative to the rest of the league.  A point guard should help solve that.
#12 Milwaukee - Good offensive players, just can't fully visualize the offensive fits with zero guards in the mix yet.  Spacing concerns relative to the other teams in the league.

Need Some More Offense Tier
#13 Denver - Need some more creation, all I see here is Tim Duncan post ups (a solid play in itself).  Draymond's a great passer, but Duncan and Payton aren't the type to run off off-ball screens.  Get one of those kind of guys.  (PMing you a suggestion)
#14 OKC - Need some creation period!  Got some finishers in place.

Good analysis.  OKC could use one of those high usage scorers that have been dropping.

I'm not sure if those players will be the best fit to set up Pierce and George.  Maybe though.  I like a different point guard still available though who is basically a lite version of one of the top tier point guards.

Definitely need someone who can get the ball to the Paul's.  With those two and Wallace, I think a high usage creator works.  No clue who the lite version PG could be but I am intrigued. 

[Moranis]

Team Rosters through 3 rounds:

Dallas: Lebron, Ray Allen, Doncic
Toronto:  KG, David Robinson, Vince Carter
Utah:  Shaq, J Kidd, Peja
Denver: Duncan, Payton, Draymond
LAC: Steph Curry, Grant Hill, Elton Brand
Philly: Kawhi, Klay, Chauncey
Boston: Durant, Nash, Pau Gasol
Milwaukee: Giannis, Alonzo Mourning, Karl Malone
LAL:  Kobe, Webber, Lilliard
Houston: D Wade, Harden, Amare
Indiana:  Dirk, Embiid, Tony Parker
OKC: Pierce, Paul George, Ben Wallace
Miami: CP3, Dwight, Jimmy Butler
Brooklyn: T-Mac, Ant Davis, Shawn Marion

Boston is my favorite team at the moment.  I think the C's have gotten the best overall value when looking at the 3 rounds, and has a tremendous fitting team.

I was not a fan of the KG selection at 2, but think Robinson and Carter were solid selections, especially Carter which has vaulted Toronto up near the top after the 3rd round.  I think Milwaukee also had a very strong 3rd round as the Mailman was not only BPA, but also continues the theme of toughness that the Bucks are bringing.  Bucks definitely need some floor spacers to round out the starting 5 to really ignite what is a nice start. 

The other two teams I liked after round 2, I didn't think had great round 3's.  I didn't like the Draymond pick for Denver.  Thought he was way too high and I think the idea of Draymond tiering players up was put to bed a bit this year as GS was the worst team in the league (despite having a reigning all star PG for much of the season).  I also question the offensive fit of Draymond and Duncan.  I think they need to operate much of the same space to both truly be effective.  Defensively they should be excellent (though I don't know if I'd want Duncan guarding Shaq, Robinson, etc.), but I just don't like the offensive fit.  As for Utah, I think Peja is fine fit, but I think there were far superior players available that would have made more sense. 

The team I think I'm most intrigued to see how it plays out is Dallas.  Lebron, Allen, and Doncic has the makings of an incredible team, but also could flame out with personality and fit clashes.  There is a big man available that I think would really work well with this team.  And speaking of fit clashes I think Miami has 3 huge problem children on the team and I'm not sure the best citizens in basketball history could straighten those 3 out.  I'd love to see that team in actual action to see how it would play out.

I'll try to defend my pick. First off, Curry played five games last year. That isn't "much of the season". Draymond thrives in playing with other high-level talent, and that's most important in this type of game. And I don't understand how they operate in the same space. Duncan is a low post/pick-and-roll guy; Draymond plays a bunch from the perimeter/high post. In the season I'm picking, Draymond had a really good shooting year from 3.

D-Lo, not Curry.  He missed some time, as did Draymond, but the Warriors were a complete and utter train wreck this year and I put a lot of that on Draymond.  I don't think he is a great teammate either, but that is a different issue (though with Payton, I think it could be real problematic).  I just don't like Draymond as a 3rd rounder.  Later on, sure, but in the 3rd I don't think you should be drafting a jack of all trades type player, even one that was an elite level defender.  I think you should have gone for a true #1 scorer as those guys are going to be harder to come by and neither Duncan nor Payton was really one of those guys (both excellent players, but not a go to scorer).  There are still a few true #1 scorers out there, so it might work out ok for you, but at the end of round 4 it is a big risk.  And if you wanted a PF, I think either Malone or A'Mare would have been a better selection as they are both legit #1 scorers who I believe were both better than Draymond.  Pau also would have worked (from the drafted players) and would have provided more size versatility for matching up with guys like Shaq, Robinson, Dwight, etc.  I always found Duncan to be at his best at PF, but with Draymond your pushing him into the middle and I don't like the Duncan center years nearly as much.

[GreenFaith1819]

What do folks think of my team? I have a specific target I want in the 4th round who I think will open things up on both ends, but always love to hear others thoughts

Curry reminds me of the Guard version of Dirk....just an offensive terror. He is underrated defensively, too. Curry's a fine distributor as well.

Knock on him is that he can be pushed around some but I never saw a lot of it in GSW...and I'd guess even LESS of it in this format with the help he'll get.

For Grant he's going to work well with Curry. He was compared to Michael in some circles until his injuries set in..

Loved Grant and T Mac in ORL...those two helped to give Doc his first COY award.

Elton is going to help anchor your defense. A tough, rugged player. Loved his total game offensively, too.

After checking BBall reference he shot near 50% with LONG twos, during the 05-06 playoffs season. This should help your spacing. Dude seemed to play better in the playoffs that season as well.

At 275 pounds he's going to set some mean screens.

[gouki88]

What do folks think of my team? I have a specific target I want in the 4th round who I think will open things up on both ends, but always love to hear others thoughts

Curry reminds me of the Guard version of Dirk....just an offensive terror. He is underrated defensively, too. Curry's a fine distributor as well.

Knock on him is that he can be pushed around some but I never saw a lot of it in GSW...and I'd guess even LESS of it in this format with the help he'll get.

For Grant he's going to work well with Curry. He was compared to Michael in some circles until his injuries set in..

Loved Grant and T Mac in ORL...those two helped to give Doc his first COY award.

Elton is going to help anchor your defense. A tough, rugged player. Loved his total game offensively, too.

After checking BBall reference he shot near 50% with LONG twos, during the 05-06 playoffs season. This should help your spacing. Dude seemed to play better in the playoffs that season as well.

At 275 pounds he's going to set some mean screens.

Thanks! Grant Hill is right up there with a few others (some still eligible for picking, so I won't name any) in terms of what could have been if not for injury. His 99-00 season was still great. I love the idea of Brand's brick-wall screens getting Curry open.

Nice job getting TP by the way. I feel like an all non-US starting lineup could be lethal

[Somebody]

I really like my team so far: I'm confident that my frontcourt is the best defensive frontline as of right now (both Robinson and KG were ATG defenders during their time with defensive traits that would become even more valuable in the modern game) and they have excellent complementary offensive skills (shooting, finishing and passing) that can amplify the skillsets of my perimeter players. Thoughts on what my team needs?

[gouki88]

I really like my team so far: I'm confident that my frontcourt is the best defensive frontline as of right now (both Robinson and KG were ATG defenders during their time with defensive traits that would become even more valuable in the modern game) and they have excellent complementary offensive skills (shooting, finishing and passing) that can amplify the skillsets of my perimeter players. Thoughts on what my team needs?

I feel like a distribution-focused point guard would go a long way on a team like this. If he can hit shots from distance, all the better, but I think a guy who is a good passer and defender should be the next target.

[Somebody]

I really like my team so far: I'm confident that my frontcourt is the best defensive frontline as of right now (both Robinson and KG were ATG defenders during their time with defensive traits that would become even more valuable in the modern game) and they have excellent complementary offensive skills (shooting, finishing and passing) that can amplify the skillsets of my perimeter players. Thoughts on what my team needs?

I feel like a distribution-focused point guard would go a long way on a team like this. If he can hit shots from distance, all the better, but I think a guy who is a good passer and defender should be the next target.

There's a guy in that mold who I'm looking at, but I'm not sure if he'll last until my pick in the fourth round.

[tazzmaniac]

What do folks think of my team? I have a specific target I want in the 4th round who I think will open things up on both ends, but always love to hear others thoughts

With where you're picking, I'd be concerned that a good 2-way player will be gone.  I can think of a good 2-way combo guard that would be a good addition.