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Re: 2020 Tiered Draft Big Board
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2020, 10:39:41 AM »

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Dick Vitale is reporting that Xavier Tillman is staying at MSU and not entering the draft. This is really surprising to me as he was a guy who I have long thought would be perfect on the Celtics.

Very surprised to hear this. Draft Boards had him climbing into first round last month or so. My best guess is that scouts/ GMs told his reps that he was not likely getting drafted in 1st round. Too bad, very high BBIQ from the reports I read about him, although considered undersized 5.

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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2020, 07:30:56 PM »

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I like Tillman’s game a lot. Great passing big-man, solid touch inside, good rebounder and elite defensively. A little undersized, which might hurt him on both ends, but he looks to have the smarts to make it. I do generally like players going back for their senior year, even if it is a gamble.

I feared that Philly might take Tillman this year though with one of their early 2nd rounders, which would’ve sucked.

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« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2020, 11:52:15 PM »

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I like Tillman’s game a lot. Great passing big-man, solid touch inside, good rebounder and elite defensively. A little undersized, which might hurt him on both ends, but he looks to have the smarts to make it. I do generally like players going back for their senior year, even if it is a gamble.

I feared that Philly might take Tillman this year though with one of their early 2nd rounders, which would’ve sucked.

People more connected with Tillman and Michigan State than Dick Vitale have said no such decision has made.  So we’ll see.

I would have zero problem picking Tillman with one of our late 1sts.  He can pass, roll to the basket, and is an elite defender.  Doesn’t have the Timelord’s upside, but he’s more likely to make it in the NBA.

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« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2020, 12:30:04 AM »

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Dick Vitale is reporting that Xavier Tillman is staying at MSU and not entering the draft. This is really surprising to me as he was a guy who I have long thought would be perfect on the Celtics.

Very surprised to hear this. Draft Boards had him climbing into first round last month or so. My best guess is that scouts/ GMs told his reps that he was not likely getting drafted in 1st round. Too bad, very high BBIQ from the reports I read about him, although considered undersized 5.

That would be a mistake in my opinion. If he doesn't drastically improve his jump shot, I just don't see how he would get drafted in the 1st round next year where the draft class is top heavy, along with some sleepers. Tillman will probably end up in the late first round if he's lucky. That being said, he's clearly a first round pick this year, no doubt.

This is my issue with him staying:
1) He'll be 23 at next years draft.
2) He already sports an NBA ready frame, and has the intangibles to back it up.
3) Seen as someone with highly polished BBIQ
4) Valuable on both ends of the floor
5) There's a rumor that he interviewed with over 16 teams, and the feedback was poorly received apparently.
6) I think he's a first round pick, easily. I think the NBA needs to stop assuming age is such a net negative. This is why we pass on the Clarke's, and Thybulle's of the world. I got him around 15-20, but I suspect he may go earlier.
7) Also Tillman posted yesterday:
 


8 ) Considering he's a father, and is clearly very skilled. Maybe I could see him assuming the NBA doesn't start next year, but even then, I don't know if someone else can confirm this. But if you sign guaranteed contract, don't you still get paid despite this strange situation that we're in? He ould help MSU win a championship, then get his degree and go to the NBA. But he'd be passing up so much money.
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Re: 2020 Tiered Draft Big Board
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2020, 02:13:47 AM »

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I like Tillman’s game a lot. Great passing big-man, solid touch inside, good rebounder and elite defensively. A little undersized, which might hurt him on both ends, but he looks to have the smarts to make it. I do generally like players going back for their senior year, even if it is a gamble.

I feared that Philly might take Tillman this year though with one of their early 2nd rounders, which would’ve sucked.

People more connected with Tillman and Michigan State than Dick Vitale have said no such decision has made.  So we’ll see.

I would have zero problem picking Tillman with one of our late 1sts.  He can pass, roll to the basket, and is an elite defender.  Doesn’t have the Timelord’s upside, but he’s more likely to make it in the NBA.
Wonder where Vitale got it from then... curious.

I agree wholeheartedly. To me Tillman represents a sort of halfway point between Grant & Timelord. Great defender and rebounder, but less athleticism than Timelord, yet a much higher BBIQ and good touch with the ball.

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« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2020, 06:45:02 AM »

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Dick Vitale is reporting that Xavier Tillman is staying at MSU and not entering the draft. This is really surprising to me as he was a guy who I have long thought would be perfect on the Celtics.

Very surprised to hear this. Draft Boards had him climbing into first round last month or so. My best guess is that scouts/ GMs told his reps that he was not likely getting drafted in 1st round. Too bad, very high BBIQ from the reports I read about him, although considered undersized 5.

That would be a mistake in my opinion. If he doesn't drastically improve his jump shot, I just don't see how he would get drafted in the 1st round next year where the draft class is top heavy, along with some sleepers. Tillman will probably end up in the late first round if he's lucky. That being said, he's clearly a first round pick this year, no doubt.

This is my issue with him staying:
1) He'll be 23 at next years draft.
2) He already sports an NBA ready frame, and has the intangibles to back it up.
3) Seen as someone with highly polished BBIQ
4) Valuable on both ends of the floor
5) There's a rumor that he interviewed with over 16 teams, and the feedback was poorly received apparently.
6) I think he's a first round pick, easily. I think the NBA needs to stop assuming age is such a net negative. This is why we pass on the Clarke's, and Thybulle's of the world. I got him around 15-20, but I suspect he may go earlier.
7) Also Tillman posted yesterday:
 


8 ) Considering he's a father, and is clearly very skilled. Maybe I could see him assuming the NBA doesn't start next year, but even then, I don't know if someone else can confirm this. But if you sign guaranteed contract, don't you still get paid despite this strange situation that we're in? He ould help MSU win a championship, then get his degree and go to the NBA. But he'd be passing up so much money.

Agree that it doesn’t make sense for him to stay.

Where did you read/hear that his interviews went poorly?
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Re: 2020 Tiered Draft Big Board
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2020, 12:22:59 PM »

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not updating my tiers any time soon but have a couple notes

per ESPN NBA Lottery date has been moved up to Aug 20, also NBA is figuring out a combine and has sent letters our to 105 players who received votes from NBA team to be combine participants. They expect to cut list to 70.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29510755/memo-nba-moving-draft-lottery-five-days

Two players who I have not previously ranked in my tiers who I think are worth watching.

Lamine Diane, a 22 year old red-shirt soph from mid major school cal state northridge. He is listed at 6'7 205 and appears to have a 7' + wingspan. Granted he didn't play against high level competition but his stats are impressive. In his two seasons he is averaging 35mpg 25pts 10.8rb 2.3 ast 1.6stl and 2.1blks. He isn't a shooter having hit on .286% of his 2.9 3pt attempts per game and .66% on 9.4 FTA but he is a willing shooter. He appears to be an NBA level wing athlete with solid touch around the rim and a great motor. As a second round pick and potential 2-way player he has a lot of potential. I don't think its a stretch to see him work his way into a 3-D rotational player in a few years.

Yves Pons, a 21 year old combo forward from France who is a junior at Tennesse Pons may be the best athlete in the class. Listed at 6'6 215lb his frame looks thicker and heavier then his listed weight. He reportedly has very large hands and a wingspan over 7'. PHYSICALLY he reminds me a lot of Kawhi Leonard. He isn't statistically over whelming averaging 34mpg 10.8pts 5.4rb but an impressive 2.4blks per game. As an NBA player I think he could be developed into an interesting defensive specialist. A small ball 5 who could also be used like Semi as a big wing defensive specialist.     
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Re: 2020 Tiered Draft Big Board
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2020, 05:44:20 PM »

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Early in the thread I mentioned getting around to doing this... only just getting to it now, lol ;D But here we go anyway!

Firstly, I gotta preface this with saying a little bit about how I view the top of the draft. I find myself somewhat opposed to CFAN in regards to tiers - I see no clear-cut number 1 pick, sort of similar to what happened when Nerlens Noel tore his ACL. Every prospect has holes, and none of them are sure-things, or even near sure-things. For me, Tier 1 in this draft represents similar things to what it represented in 2000 and 2013 - potential All-Stars, but for my mind no potential Hall of Fame level talents (unlike guys like Luka and Zion). However, I see heaps of guys that have the potential to be decent enough starters.

Emboldened are guys I want on the Celtics, green text are guys I think are people we could draft.

Tier 1 - All-Star potential:
1. Anthony Edwards (6'5", 225lbs, 18 years old, Guard-Wing): He has potential to be a brilliant shot-maker and creator, but he's lacking as a shooter and wasn't too flash in conference play. Not the most aware defender, but has all the athletic tools.

2. James Wiseman (7'1", 240lbs, 19 years old, Big): Perhaps the biggest mystery in the draft, given we saw so little of him. Elite physical profile for a big-man, standing at 7'1" with a 7'6" wingspan. However, his defence wasn't as good as it could've been. Still good potential for a super rim-running big, but he is a weak passer and shooter. Potential really depends on coaching situation.

3. Onyeka Okongwu (6'9", 245lbs, 18 years old, Big): Great defensive big-man who can finish inside with both hands. He's a really solid roll-man as he has good coordination, and he'll likely be the best defensive big in this draft. Needs to become stronger in the upper body and improve his passing to make him a truly potent player on offence, as his shooting hinders him.

4. LaMelo Ball (6'8", 194lbs, 18 years old, Guard): For me he's the most overrated prospect in this draft. Awful efficiency in the NBL, which is a league that allows guards to completely dominate. Similar concerns on offence to Lonzo, but he's a better shooter and in my opinion a worse passer. However, he's not a touch on him defensively. Got to see him a lot as he played in the local league here.

Tier 2 - high-level starter potential:
5. Tyrese Haliburton (6'5", 175lbs, 20 years old, Guard): I would probably take him ahead of Ball, as he is super efficient inside and outside the arc, and is considerably better on defence. The injury definitely hurt his stock, but I love his game on both ends. Might need to put on some weight so he can handle bigger guards.

6. Obi Toppin (6'9", 220lbs, 22 years old, Big): Awesome offensive big-man, who is a freakish athlete. Took college ball by storm, and is giving me massive Amare vibes. That includes the "I was never taught defence" aspects of Amare. If a team wants a flamethrower big, he's the one.

7. Deni Avdija (6'9", 210lbs, 19 years old, Wing): I really rate Avdija's game. Great versatility on both ends, can shoot the ball, is a great playmaker, and he's a strong rebounder. Limited by his athletcisim, but he reminds me of Batum a lot (before he got that awful contract).

Tier 3 - solid starter potential:
8. Cole Anthony (6'3", 190lbs, 20 years old, Guard): Not a big fan of Anthony as he is super inefficient, and had a ghastly assist-turnover ratio for a PG. He's gotta improve his passing if he wants to be a PG, as he's already sustaining injuries.

9. Saddiq Bey (6'8", 216lbs, 21 years old, Wing): Great 3&D wing potential with his size and elite shooting, but lacks ability to create for others.

10. Aaron Nesmith (6'6", 213lbs, 20 years old, Wing): Laser of a shooter from deep, but is not a strong defender and is a pretty useless passer. Given the state of modern offence his value might be inflated.

11. Killian Hayes (6'5", 195lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Big fluid athlete for a point guard, with a good natural feel for the game. Already 2 years of solid pro experience too.

12. Precious Achiuwa (6'9", 225lbs, 20 years old, Wing-Big): Great athletic rebounding wing, who has the size and wingspan to be a small-ball big. Great physical profile for the modern game.

13. Devin Vassell (6'7", 200lbs, 19 years old, Wing): Amazing athlete with good length, solid shooting touch and the ability to improve rapidly.

14. Paul Reed (6'9", 210lbs, 21 years old, Big): Amazing athletic defender with great rebounding and a developing shot. Ability to defend 3-5 in my opinion.

15. Kira Lewis (6'3", 170lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Makes me think of SGA if he was shrunk, lol. Would like him a lot on this team.

Tier 4 - low level starter potential:
16. Isaac Okoro (6'6", 215lbs, 19 years old, Wing): Powerful athletic wing, needs to improve shooting

17. Theo Maledon (6'5", 175lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Big PG with a good feel for the game, great passer, not elite defensively

18. RJ Hampton (6'4", 175lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Almost the opposite of Maledon, not a good PG feel for the game, way more of a SG, but better athletically and more aggressive

19. Nico Mannion (6'3", 190lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Great playmaking PG, can drive and pass with both hands really well, solid shooter potential, but not great athlete.

20. Isaiah Stewart (6'9", 250lbs, 19 years old, Big): Tremendously strong, good athleticism and elite length. Limited ceiling, but could be like a taller DeJuan Blair (before his knees gave out).

Tier 5 - solid bench potential:

21. Tyrese Maxey (6'2", 190lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Solid scoring guard, but is neither a combo or even a true PG, as well as being quite small. Needs to offer more.

22. Jalen Smith (6'10", 215lbs, 20 years old, Big): Athletic big who can rebound and protect the paint. If his shot continues to develop he could easily be a starter level guy.

23. Jaden McDaniels (6'10", 185lbs, 19 years old, Wing): Not too sure what his NBA level skills are, but his physical profile and general touch with the ball should enable him to be a solid piece.

24. Reggie Perry (6'9", 250lbs, 20 years old, Big): Great athletic profile, his strength should allow him to play the 5, reminds me of a lesser Julius Randle.

25. Zeke Nnaji (6'11", 240lbs, 19 years old, Big): I've been a fan for a while. Solid all-round game with super high energy, but not a great anchor on either end.

Tier 6 - high potential, but equally high potential to be nothing:
26. Aleksej Pokusevski (7'0", 190lbs, 18 years old, Wing-Big): I like Poku because he has super intriguing potential. He has some guard skills, some wing skills and some big skills. Just interesting

27. Vernon Carey (6'10", 265lbs, 19 years old, Big): Really big strong frame, but I worry about how he'll pan out conditioning wise.

28. Daniel Oturu (6'10", 240lbs, 20 years old, Big): Legit NBA size and athleticism, who can get rebounds really well. Not sold on his feel though.

Tier 7 - guys with high chance for bench piece career, but low potential:
29. Payton Pritchard (6'2", 195lbs, 22 years old, Guard): A bit undersized, but great touch on offence and a solid enough defender.

30. Jahmi'us Ramsey (6'3", 190lbs, 19 years old, Guard): Solid 3&D potential guard, but worrying lack of size

Re: 2020 Tiered Draft Big Board
« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2020, 10:29:13 PM »

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Griz now 0-3 in bubble. Only 1.5 games ahead of Spurs with several others close behind.

Chances suddenly quite real that they miss playoffs and our pick jumps up from 17 to 14. Package 26 or 30 and we could move into top 10 territory.

If Wiseman slides, wouldn’t that be interesting.

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« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2020, 12:52:58 PM »

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Griz now 0-3 in bubble. Only 1.5 games ahead of Spurs with several others close behind.

Chances suddenly quite real that they miss playoffs and our pick jumps up from 17 to 14. Package 26 or 30 and we could move into top 10 territory.

If Wiseman slides, wouldn’t that be interesting.

The more I read I'm less optimistic that Wiseman slides. While draft twitter is low on him most main stream sites and intel based reporters seem to have him locked in as a top 5 prospect. However I do think this lottery and the likely Memphis drop into it could become really interesting for the Cs.

There has been a lot of talk on how teams are going to want to trade down in this draft because the talent is really level through most of the 1st round. The Cetlics having 3 picks and lacking room to fit them may put them in a unique position to be a team looking to consolidate and move up to land a targeted prospect.

Some past trades that give a rough idea of past precedent. 

2018 Suns traded #10 to 76ers for #16 and a future 1st
2017 Kings traded #10 to Blazers for #15 and #20
2014 Bulls traded #11 to Denver for #16,19 and a 2nd
2013 T-Wolves traded #9 to Jazz for #14 and 21


Players who seemed locked into the top 5 Ball, Anthony, and Wiseman

Assuming those three are safe bets not to slide I would look at Okongwu as a trade target if he where to slide past #9. After that I would also be willing to move up for Hayes or Hampton. I like Okoro and Avdija but worry the Cs roster construction could hurt their development. If wither fell to the Cs fit I would be ecstatic but trading up for them seems like a dangerous asset investment.

 

   

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« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2020, 03:12:03 PM »

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Griz now 0-3 in bubble. Only 1.5 games ahead of Spurs with several others close behind.

Chances suddenly quite real that they miss playoffs and our pick jumps up from 17 to 14. Package 26 or 30 and we could move into top 10 territory.

If Wiseman slides, wouldn’t that be interesting.

The more I read I'm less optimistic that Wiseman slides. While draft twitter is low on him most main stream sites and intel based reporters seem to have him locked in as a top 5 prospect. However I do think this lottery and the likely Memphis drop into it could become really interesting for the Cs.

There has been a lot of talk on how teams are going to want to trade down in this draft because the talent is really level through most of the 1st round. The Cetlics having 3 picks and lacking room to fit them may put them in a unique position to be a team looking to consolidate and move up to land a targeted prospect.

Some past trades that give a rough idea of past precedent. 

2018 Suns traded #10 to 76ers for #16 and a future 1st
2017 Kings traded #10 to Blazers for #15 and #20
2014 Bulls traded #11 to Denver for #16,19 and a 2nd
2013 T-Wolves traded #9 to Jazz for #14 and 21


Players who seemed locked into the top 5 Ball, Anthony, and Wiseman

Assuming those three are safe bets not to slide I would look at Okongwu as a trade target if he where to slide past #9. After that I would also be willing to move up for Hayes or Hampton. I like Okoro and Avdija but worry the Cs roster construction could hurt their development. If wither fell to the Cs fit I would be ecstatic but trading up for them seems like a dangerous asset investment.

 

 

Perhaps so.

But Hampton stock seems to be sinking pretty widely.  I would be surprised if he were taken top 15 at this stage. More in depth scouting raise questions as to him being more than a 2 (not a 1/2 swing) who can't really shoot.  I was higher on him a couple of months ago than now.

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« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2020, 03:36:24 PM »

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Griz now 0-3 in bubble. Only 1.5 games ahead of Spurs with several others close behind.

Chances suddenly quite real that they miss playoffs and our pick jumps up from 17 to 14. Package 26 or 30 and we could move into top 10 territory.

If Wiseman slides, wouldn’t that be interesting.

The more I read I'm less optimistic that Wiseman slides. While draft twitter is low on him most main stream sites and intel based reporters seem to have him locked in as a top 5 prospect. However I do think this lottery and the likely Memphis drop into it could become really interesting for the Cs.

There has been a lot of talk on how teams are going to want to trade down in this draft because the talent is really level through most of the 1st round. The Cetlics having 3 picks and lacking room to fit them may put them in a unique position to be a team looking to consolidate and move up to land a targeted prospect.

Some past trades that give a rough idea of past precedent. 

2018 Suns traded #10 to 76ers for #16 and a future 1st
2017 Kings traded #10 to Blazers for #15 and #20
2014 Bulls traded #11 to Denver for #16,19 and a 2nd
2013 T-Wolves traded #9 to Jazz for #14 and 21


Players who seemed locked into the top 5 Ball, Anthony, and Wiseman

Assuming those three are safe bets not to slide I would look at Okongwu as a trade target if he where to slide past #9. After that I would also be willing to move up for Hayes or Hampton. I like Okoro and Avdija but worry the Cs roster construction could hurt their development. If wither fell to the Cs fit I would be ecstatic but trading up for them seems like a dangerous asset investment.

 

 

Perhaps so.

But Hampton stock seems to be sinking pretty widely.  I would be surprised if he were taken top 15 at this stage. More in depth scouting raise questions as to him being more than a 2 (not a 1/2 swing) who can't really shoot.  I was higher on him a couple of months ago than now.

I don't think his stock has slipped as much as the media is projecting. In his preseason games vs NBA teams he struggled shooting the ball but looked like an NBA athlete. He is clearly a higher ceiling lower floor prospect but one that has the ceiling to be the best player in this class. If drafted by the Cs I trust the coaching staff to develop him into an average shooting NBA perimeter player. That development coupled with his quickness and explosiveness could make him a unique fit long term along side Tatum, Brown and Smart.   
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« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2020, 07:22:05 PM »

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Griz now 0-3 in bubble. Only 1.5 games ahead of Spurs with several others close behind.

Chances suddenly quite real that they miss playoffs and our pick jumps up from 17 to 14. Package 26 or 30 and we could move into top 10 territory.

If Wiseman slides, wouldn’t that be interesting.

The more I read I'm less optimistic that Wiseman slides. While draft twitter is low on him most main stream sites and intel based reporters seem to have him locked in as a top 5 prospect. However I do think this lottery and the likely Memphis drop into it could become really interesting for the Cs.

There has been a lot of talk on how teams are going to want to trade down in this draft because the talent is really level through most of the 1st round. The Cetlics having 3 picks and lacking room to fit them may put them in a unique position to be a team looking to consolidate and move up to land a targeted prospect.

Some past trades that give a rough idea of past precedent. 

2018 Suns traded #10 to 76ers for #16 and a future 1st
2017 Kings traded #10 to Blazers for #15 and #20
2014 Bulls traded #11 to Denver for #16,19 and a 2nd
2013 T-Wolves traded #9 to Jazz for #14 and 21


Players who seemed locked into the top 5 Ball, Anthony, and Wiseman

Assuming those three are safe bets not to slide I would look at Okongwu as a trade target if he where to slide past #9. After that I would also be willing to move up for Hayes or Hampton. I like Okoro and Avdija but worry the Cs roster construction could hurt their development. If wither fell to the Cs fit I would be ecstatic but trading up for them seems like a dangerous asset investment.

 

 

Perhaps so.

But Hampton stock seems to be sinking pretty widely.  I would be surprised if he were taken top 15 at this stage. More in depth scouting raise questions as to him being more than a 2 (not a 1/2 swing) who can't really shoot.  I was higher on him a couple of months ago than now.

I don't think his stock has slipped as much as the media is projecting. In his preseason games vs NBA teams he struggled shooting the ball but looked like an NBA athlete. He is clearly a higher ceiling lower floor prospect but one that has the ceiling to be the best player in this class. If drafted by the Cs I trust the coaching staff to develop him into an average shooting NBA perimeter player. That development coupled with his quickness and explosiveness could make him a unique fit long term along side Tatum, Brown and Smart.

I'd rather take a chance with Poku, much better feel for the game and much more size. I'd also prefer Kira Lewis, who has the same elite athleticism but is a true point guard, and better shooter. Will fulfill a more important need for us as Kemba ages. Hampton has demonstrated no real "feel" in his tape. We need more "feel" guys.

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« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2020, 01:38:17 AM »

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If we are lucky enough to get pick 14 and can trade up for a guy who falls a bit, I'd go for (in order):

1.  Okongwu
2.  Halliburton
3.  Toppin
4.  Avdija (only if Hayward is not predicted to stay after next season).

Otherwise, hope for Patrick Williams (or could trade up a spot or two if necessary) at 14.  Next choice at 14 Achiuwa and finally Kira Lewis.

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If we are lucky enough to get pick 14 and can trade up for a guy who falls a bit, I'd go for (in order):

1.  Okongwu
2.  Halliburton
3.  Toppin
4.  Avdija (only if Hayward is not predicted to stay after next season).

Otherwise, hope for Patrick Williams (or could trade up a spot or two if necessary) at 14.  Next choice at 14 Achiuwa and finally Kira Lewis.
At this stage if we trade up I'm all aboard the Kira Lewis train (unless Okongwu falls), because I doubt we can trade up high enough for Haliburton. Lewis reminds me of a faster Dennis Schroder.