The Case for Trading Gordon Hayward (Hear Me Out)

[NKY fan]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

Correct! Danny hates negotiating from the position of weakness (need) he’s waiting on a deal that looks like a slam dunk

[Fierce1]

Just for funzies:

Boston receives: Adams, Roberson
Denver receives: Paul, Hayward
OKC receives: Milsap, Barton, Harris, Porter Jr., 2020 Bucks 1st

Denver can run Jokic with Paul, Hayward, Murray, and Grant. That's a highly intelligent team on both sides of the court.

OKC sets up a new young due with Shai and Porter Jr., and pairs them with really good role players in Barton and Harris. They also get salary relief with Milsap's expiring.

Boston gets a little salary relief with Roberson's expiring and gets better roster balance with a center that can truly make his teammates better (and has been doing it his entire career).

Celts can get more for Hayward.

That's just too low of a return for Hayward.

Perhaps. Your trade (before it was edited) included a lottery pick to get Drummond.

I'm not sure the difference between Drummond and Adams is a lottery pick. In fact, I'd rather have Adams, especially because he has another year on his contract. Drummond is an expiring.

Rose doesn't add much to our team either. We already have too many ball-handlers.

The lottery pick is looking like top 10 at best.
I wouldn't trade it if it was top 7 or top 8.
But Celts really don't need another top 10 or top 14 pick right now.

Drummond is a better offensive player than Adams.

And replacing Wanamaker with Rose makes the bench better.

I don't agree that Drummond is a better offensive player than Adams. He is far more turnover prone (3.5 is a lot for a 17ppg guy). He makes a lot of dumb plays out there. The advanced stats have typically indicated Adams helps his team more than Drummond (although I'll admit teammates make a big difference there). I just don't think on this team there would be that big of a difference. I think Adams has a better feel for the game.

And again, Drummond is an expiring.

And you aren't replace Rose with Wanamaker--not directly. Part of the problem is that there are too many players all wanting to attack in different ways. Rose needs the ball too much on offense and adds nothing on defense or as a shooter. At least Wanamaker is a decently versatile defender.

My 2nd choice would be Steven Adams.

So if the Celts end up trading Hayward for Adams, I'm fine with it.

I'm just sick of the Celts getting abused in the paint because Theis is too small and Kanter can't stay on the court because opposing teams put him in the pick and roll and he ends up getting lost!

[Fierce1]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

Correct! Danny hates negotiating from the position of weakness (need) he’s waiting on a deal that looks like a slam dunk

After the IT trade in 2015, Ainge really didn't have anything significant to offer in 2016, 2017, and 2018.

Last season Ainge was all in on the Anthony Davis sweepstakes.
That's why no trade was made on or before the trade deadline.

This year could be different as the Celts have the assets and the team is really in need of an upgrade.

[Phantom255x]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

[Fierce1]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

[gouki88]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

[Fierce1]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

[gouki88]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

You’re acting as if we’re catastrophically bad or something. We’ve had a rough patch, playing 5 games in 7 days while trying to bring Hayward and Smart back - both who have struggled, and in my mind aren’t 100%.

We have a starting center. Just because he’s “too small” for your completely arbitrary standard of starting center doesn’t mean it’s actually true.

Tatum and Brown are also not the two best wings in the league, lol.

[Fierce1]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

You’re acting as if we’re catastrophically bad or something. We’ve had a rough patch, playing 5 games in 7 days while trying to bring Hayward and Smart back - both who have struggled, and in my mind aren’t 100%.

We have a starting center. Just because he’s “too small” for your completely arbitrary standard of starting center doesn’t mean it’s actually true.

Tatum and Brown are also not the two best wings in the league, lol.

Tatum and Brown are two of the best YOUNG wing players, that's what I said.

Out of the 30 NBA teams, only 1 team has a 6-8 starting Center.

If it's such a great idea to have a short Center then why are the other 29 teams not using a short Center?

The flaw of the Boston Celtics is using a backup Center as a starting Center.

Every team the Celts face always attack Theis inside the paint.

[Fierce1]

The excuse of playing 5 games in 7 nights is just that, an excuse.

If this were the Celtics of KG, Pierce, and Ray going on a losing streak then it's normal.

But this current Celtics team is clearly flawed.

The offense is so predictable.
Every time down the court they do the same thing.
Celts have no semblance of an inside-outside game because the Celts don't have a big man who can score inside.

Kanter's supposed to be the man inside, but opposing teams exploit his weakness on defense.
That's why he can't stay on the court because the coach yanks him because he's so horrible on defense.

From the start of the season the flaw of the Celtics has been very obvious.

It's only when the Celts are playing Philly that the flaw gets magnified.

The coach of the Sixers exploits the flaw of the Celts.

So is it unreasonable for some of us Celtic fans to clamor for an upgrade?

Asking to trade one of the wing players for a big is a valid because it makes the Celts better and a more balanced team.

[gouki88]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

You’re acting as if we’re catastrophically bad or something. We’ve had a rough patch, playing 5 games in 7 days while trying to bring Hayward and Smart back - both who have struggled, and in my mind aren’t 100%.

We have a starting center. Just because he’s “too small” for your completely arbitrary standard of starting center doesn’t mean it’s actually true.

Tatum and Brown are also not the two best wings in the league, lol.

Tatum and Brown are two of the best YOUNG wing players, that's what I said.

Out of the 30 NBA teams, only 1 team has a 6-8 starting Center.

If it's such a great idea to have a short Center then why are the other 29 teams not using a short Center?

The flaw of the Boston Celtics is using a backup Center as a starting Center.

Every team the Celts face always attack Theis inside the paint.

Because the most successful teams always try and copy other teams, right? Seems like a recipe for success.

No point continuing this. You’re not even trying to listen to anything about big men, and you haven’t been for months.

[Fierce1]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

You’re acting as if we’re catastrophically bad or something. We’ve had a rough patch, playing 5 games in 7 days while trying to bring Hayward and Smart back - both who have struggled, and in my mind aren’t 100%.

We have a starting center. Just because he’s “too small” for your completely arbitrary standard of starting center doesn’t mean it’s actually true.

Tatum and Brown are also not the two best wings in the league, lol.

Tatum and Brown are two of the best YOUNG wing players, that's what I said.

Out of the 30 NBA teams, only 1 team has a 6-8 starting Center.

If it's such a great idea to have a short Center then why are the other 29 teams not using a short Center?

The flaw of the Boston Celtics is using a backup Center as a starting Center.

Every team the Celts face always attack Theis inside the paint.

Because the most successful teams always try and copy other teams, right? Seems like a recipe for success.

No point continuing this. You’re not even trying to listen to anything about big men, and you haven’t been for months.

It's not about copying other teams, it's about being fundamentally sound.

A team is not fundamentally sound when the Center is undersized and not an exceptional talent.

If Theis has the same talent level as a young Ben Wallace then the Celts will be fine.

But it's very clear that Theis is not up to the challenge and he's only the starter because the Celts have no one better.

I just don't see the logic in preferring to overstock on wing players than trading one wing player for a starting Center.

[Fierce1]

There's only one question that needs to be asked, are the Celts a fundamentally sound team?

Clearly the Celts are not fundamentally sound.

The good news is the Celts have the assets to fix the problem.

It's Ainge's job to find a solution.

This thread has the option of voting "I dont think we find a trade that makes sense".

We don't have the job of fixing the Celts, it's Ainge's job because there are things that we don't know that Ainge knows.

Just because we don't think there's anything that makes sense out there, it doesn't meant that's also the case for Ainge.

[Hoopvortex]

Gary Washburn: Danny Ainge to the Globe: “I don’t think I’m looking at any short-term urgency to trade away all my young assets to get some veteran player,” he said. “But we’re looking. We’ll have conversations before trade deadline like we do every year.” #Celtics 46 mins ago – via Twitter GwashburnGlobe

Danny looks a lot. But lately rarely trades in season. He dumped Bird last year but you have to go back to the 2014-15 season to see Ainge doing any type of meaningful in season trade.

As he said, he will have convos like he always does but recently, in season, that's all he does is look and talk.

I could see a small trade...Poirier and/or Semi and/or Edwards and/or a pick(s) going for someone but nothing that will significantly help or change this team.

100% agree. I think Bertans is the kind of guy Danny would love to get at the package you stated and he would help our bench a lot. Then he'd explore the buyout market for potentially another signing (maybe for a depth big).

But no way he's trading Hayward and/or Smart in a package for someone like Adams/Drummond, nor should he

The law of diminishing returns is setting in.

Right now all of the Celts' core 5 are healthy.

There's not enough touches and minutes for all them to be efficient.

Sacrificing either Smart or Hayward will open up more minutes for Tatum and Brown and getting a big man for Smart or Hayward will make the Celts a more balanced team.

Check the games where all 5 of the Celts' core 5 were healthy.
Usually only 3 among the 5 players end up having good games.

Your insistence that them being healthy = their chemistry is maxed out and they’re playing at their collective peak is frankly nonsense.

Celts already have the two best young wing players in the NBA, Tatum and Brown.

It makes total sense to trade the extra wing player, Hayward for a much needed starting Center.

Celts are losing games that they should not have lost.

Even the wins against weak teams like the Hawks and Bulls are not impressive.

In everything in life, there comes a point when too much of something will be counter productive.

So saying that trading Hayward or Smart for guys like Steven Adams or Andre Drummond does not make sense is totally unreasonable.

You’re acting as if we’re catastrophically bad or something. We’ve had a rough patch, playing 5 games in 7 days while trying to bring Hayward and Smart back - both who have struggled, and in my mind aren’t 100%.

We have a starting center. Just because he’s “too small” for your completely arbitrary standard of starting center doesn’t mean it’s actually true.

Tatum and Brown are also not the two best wings in the league, lol.

Tatum and Brown are two of the best YOUNG wing players, that's what I said.

Out of the 30 NBA teams, only 1 team has a 6-8 starting Center.

If it's such a great idea to have a short Center then why are the other 29 teams not using a short Center?

The flaw of the Boston Celtics is using a backup Center as a starting Center.

Every team the Celts face always attack Theis inside the paint.

Because the most successful teams always try and copy other teams, right? Seems like a recipe for success.

No point continuing this. You’re not even trying to listen to anything about big men, and you haven’t been for months.

It's not about copying other teams, it's about being fundamentally sound.

A team is not fundamentally sound when the Center is undersized and not an exceptional talent.

If Theis has the same talent level as a young Ben Wallace then the Celts will be fine.

But it's very clear that Theis is not up to the challenge and he's only the starter because the Celts have no one better.

I just don't see the logic in preferring to overstock on wing players than trading one wing player for a starting Center.

Not going to get into this discussion, but I wanted to acknowledge you for not taking the bait on the personal stuff.

[seancally]

Just for funzies:

Boston receives: Adams, Roberson
Denver receives: Paul, Hayward
OKC receives: Milsap, Barton, Harris, Porter Jr., 2020 Bucks 1st

Denver can run Jokic with Paul, Hayward, Murray, and Grant. That's a highly intelligent team on both sides of the court.

OKC sets up a new young due with Shai and Porter Jr., and pairs them with really good role players in Barton and Harris. They also get salary relief with Milsap's expiring.

Boston gets a little salary relief with Roberson's expiring and gets better roster balance with a center that can truly make his teammates better (and has been doing it his entire career).

Celts can get more for Hayward.

That's just too low of a return for Hayward.

Perhaps. Your trade (before it was edited) included a lottery pick to get Drummond.

I'm not sure the difference between Drummond and Adams is a lottery pick. In fact, I'd rather have Adams, especially because he has another year on his contract. Drummond is an expiring.

Rose doesn't add much to our team either. We already have too many ball-handlers.

The lottery pick is looking like top 10 at best.
I wouldn't trade it if it was top 7 or top 8.
But Celts really don't need another top 10 or top 14 pick right now.

Drummond is a better offensive player than Adams.

And replacing Wanamaker with Rose makes the bench better.

I don't agree that Drummond is a better offensive player than Adams. He is far more turnover prone (3.5 is a lot for a 17ppg guy). He makes a lot of dumb plays out there. The advanced stats have typically indicated Adams helps his team more than Drummond (although I'll admit teammates make a big difference there). I just don't think on this team there would be that big of a difference. I think Adams has a better feel for the game.

And again, Drummond is an expiring.

And you aren't replace Rose with Wanamaker--not directly. Part of the problem is that there are too many players all wanting to attack in different ways. Rose needs the ball too much on offense and adds nothing on defense or as a shooter. At least Wanamaker is a decently versatile defender.

I like Adams and Drummond, but I have to think drummond would be far less turnover prone when he’s not the only viable player on the team who’s also initiating the offense and doing a lot of playmaking. He can be a good passer and playmaker from the elbows but I have to imagine his usage in Boston would be far lower.