Hayward takes a step back and allows other to shine

[droopdog7]

One thing about Hayward that seems to be underrated is his ability to start a fast break. He is faster than I ever thought he was in running break and can either take it to the rim or make the correct pass. He is not the locomotive that Lebron use to be, but he is [dang] good at it.

This is where I'm at.  Just like last year, we don't have the greatest fit between the pieces.  Unlike last year, we don't have ball stoppers like Rozier and Morris or the eccentric player that shall not be named causing friction on and off the court.

Either way, it's going to take time for the team to gel (to the extent that they can).  I expect hayward and others to only get better.

[saltlover]

So far so good with Hayward.  He's averaging 34.3 MPG, 17.5 PPG, and 7.3 RPG.  These are all really good numbers for him, especially on a team with Walker, Tatum, and Brown.

Really good shooting splits as well.

Ya that actually worries me just a little, guy wont shoot 58% from three al year and he still ends up pulling up short of the basket on a lot of drives. But he's way  better than last year. If he can give you 16/7/4 on good efficiency all  year thats great.

Lol.

He shoots poorly from the field, he's done. He shoots great from the field, let's worry.

Celtics fans are unreal.

Well if you lump together a bunch of different fans views then ya, you'll get some contradictory opinions. I'm consistent. I don't panic over Tatum shooting 35% from 2. But I don't expect hayward to shoot 58% from 3 either. All hail reversion to the mean.

The good thing about reversion to the mean is it means it’s unlikely Hayward will continue shooting around 25% from 3-16 feet, given he’s about 40% from that range for his career.  Especially since over 1/3 of his shots have come from there this season.

[droopdog7]

So far so good with Hayward.  He's averaging 34.3 MPG, 17.5 PPG, and 7.3 RPG.  These are all really good numbers for him, especially on a team with Walker, Tatum, and Brown.

Really good shooting splits as well.

Ya that actually worries me just a little, guy wont shoot 58% from three al year and he still ends up pulling up short of the basket on a lot of drives. But he's way  better than last year. If he can give you 16/7/4 on good efficiency all  year thats great.

Lol.

He shoots poorly from the field, he's done. He shoots great from the field, let's worry.

Celtics fans are unreal.

Well if you lump together a bunch of different fans views then ya, you'll get some contradictory opinions. I'm consistent. I don't panic over Tatum shooting 35% from 2. But I don't expect hayward to shoot 58% from 3 either. All hail reversion to the mean.

The good thing about reversion to the mean is it means it’s unlikely Hayward will continue shooting around 25% from 3-16 feet, given he’s about 40% from that range for his career.  Especially since over 1/3 of his shots have come from there this season.

For the record, it's regression to the mean. 

[td450]

I hope our four top guys all consistently shoot 18 shots a game or more, unless it's a blowout. I'd rather Hayward not step back at all.

[GreenFaith1819]

Yes he does...almost to a fault.

But I'm definitely glad he got aggressive during last night's 2nd half...we wouldn't have won against MIL without aggressive GH.

[keevsnick]

So far so good with Hayward.  He's averaging 34.3 MPG, 17.5 PPG, and 7.3 RPG.  These are all really good numbers for him, especially on a team with Walker, Tatum, and Brown.

Really good shooting splits as well.

Ya that actually worries me just a little, guy wont shoot 58% from three al year and he still ends up pulling up short of the basket on a lot of drives. But he's way  better than last year. If he can give you 16/7/4 on good efficiency all  year thats great.

Lol.

He shoots poorly from the field, he's done. He shoots great from the field, let's worry.

Celtics fans are unreal.

Well if you lump together a bunch of different fans views then ya, you'll get some contradictory opinions. I'm consistent. I don't panic over Tatum shooting 35% from 2. But I don't expect hayward to shoot 58% from 3 either. All hail reversion to the mean.

The good thing about reversion to the mean is it means it’s unlikely Hayward will continue shooting around 25% from 3-16 feet, given he’s about 40% from that range for his career.  Especially since over 1/3 of his shots have come from there this season.

Sure, and from 16-3pnt he's not going to shoot 62.5 percent either. He's roughly 40% from that range as well. Theres a lot of weird stuff going on with his shooting right now.

I'm just saying I need to wait and see with Hayward. He's getting to the rim a lot (28% vs 23% career average) but his finishing rate isnt great (60%) and that extra bump getting to the rim is coming at the expense of 3pnt shots which are down to 22% of his profile. Meanwhile his 3-16ft shot is down as well. So what does a lower at rim and lower short mid range shooting indicate? It could be he still lacks the explosiveness to create separation when driving

Or it could be absolutely nothing but statistical noise, a few misses here and there drastically alter your rates at this stage. At the very least I don't think you could draw any conclusions yet. I'm just not ready to declare his "Utah Hayward" yet.

[droopdog7]

So far so good with Hayward.  He's averaging 34.3 MPG, 17.5 PPG, and 7.3 RPG.  These are all really good numbers for him, especially on a team with Walker, Tatum, and Brown.

Really good shooting splits as well.

Ya that actually worries me just a little, guy wont shoot 58% from three al year and he still ends up pulling up short of the basket on a lot of drives. But he's way  better than last year. If he can give you 16/7/4 on good efficiency all  year thats great.

Lol.

He shoots poorly from the field, he's done. He shoots great from the field, let's worry.

Celtics fans are unreal.

Well if you lump together a bunch of different fans views then ya, you'll get some contradictory opinions. I'm consistent. I don't panic over Tatum shooting 35% from 2. But I don't expect hayward to shoot 58% from 3 either. All hail reversion to the mean.

The good thing about reversion to the mean is it means it’s unlikely Hayward will continue shooting around 25% from 3-16 feet, given he’s about 40% from that range for his career.  Especially since over 1/3 of his shots have come from there this season.

Sure, and from 16-3pnt he's not going to shoot 62.5 percent either. He's roughly 40% from that range as well. Theres a lot of weird stuff going on with his shooting right now.

I'm just saying I need to wait and see with Hayward. He's getting to the rim a lot (28% vs 23% career average) but his finishing rate isnt great (60%) and that extra bump getting to the rim is coming at the expense of 3pnt shots which are down to 22% of his profile. Meanwhile his 3-16ft shot is down as well. So what does a lower at rim and lower short mid range shooting indicate? It could be he still lacks the explosiveness to create separation when driving

Or it could be absolutely nothing but statistical noise, a few misses here and there drastically alter your rates at this stage. At the very least I don't think you could draw any conclusions yet. I'm just not ready to declare his "Utah Hayward" yet.

Regarding shots at the rim, we've faced probably the two strongest teams in the league to finish against in Mil and Phil.  NY has a decent rim protector too.  That's the other factor that hasn't been considered in the talk about probabilities.  The opponents will regress to the mean too.

[ozgod]

Hayward decided to shine himself tonight!

[Fierce1]

Justin Kubatko: The @Boston Celtics Gordon Hayward shot 16-16 on 2-pointers tonight. It’s the most 2-pointers made in a game without a miss since Wilt Chamberlain also went 16-16 on Mar. 19, 1967. 5 hours ago – via Twitter jkubatko

[gouki88]

Justin Kubatko: The @Boston Celtics Gordon Hayward shot 16-16 on 2-pointers tonight. It’s the most 2-pointers made in a game without a miss since Wilt Chamberlain also went 16-16 on Mar. 19, 1967. 5 hours ago – via Twitter jkubatko

Crazy!

[Somebody]

Justin Kubatko: The @Boston Celtics Gordon Hayward shot 16-16 on 2-pointers tonight. It’s the most 2-pointers made in a game without a miss since Wilt Chamberlain also went 16-16 on Mar. 19, 1967. 5 hours ago – via Twitter jkubatko

Crazy!

Dude's also the first player since Gail "The Stump" Goodrich to register 35+ points and 8+ assists on 85% shooting iirc.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well he took a step UP against CLE and I LOVE it.

Aggressive GH...attacking Tatum and JB....steady Kemba...pesky Smart.....love this team. Love the camaraderie present this year and GH is a HUGE part of it.

[iadera]

It is great to see GH doing this. The best news is that we have a few guys that can do the same thing. I would just add Adams to this team. And one more thing, Edwards is a real steal of the draft. Happy to see him so fearless knocking down those shots.

[Androslav]

It is great to see GH doing this. The best news is that we have a few guys that can do the same thing. I would just add Adams to this team. And one more thing, Edwards is a real steal of the draft. Happy to see him so fearless knocking down those shots.

Adams is too expensive for our liking.
We can get him only if we trade Smart (+others) and that is where the conversation ends.

[knuckleballer]

Gordon plays like the ultimate glue guy, but with all star skills.  He can score 30 whenever he wants, but won't because he's going to build up other players.