2019 Historical Draft Thread(TIME TO REVEAL THE WINNER!!!)

[Donoghus]

Celtics with 6(11) select Allen Iverson

I’m curious to see how you’re going to utilize him.

I’m leaning towards using him as a microwave high volume sixth man, but I have to see how the rest of my team shapes up. I couldn’t pass up on the talent at this point.

You certainly have some very...unique...personalities on your squad. 

Iverson, Barry, Pippen, Lebron....

[Moranis]

Mikan was bigger than everyone else, but was a sub-40% shooter.  I have a hard time projecting him in the modern era.

league average in the 51-52 season was 36.7%.  As I indicated in my prior post, Mikan finished in the top 5, 3 times and was in the top 17 the other 3 times for shooting percentage.  So for his time he was a very efficient shooter. 

He has the 3rd best win share season in league history (which ironically is the 1 season the Lakers didn't win the title).  He also has the 10th and 12th best win share seasons in league history.  He has the 2nd, 7th, and 10th best seasons in league history by offensive win shares.  His last 5 years in the league, he led the league in defensive win shares and his best of those seasons is the 22nd best defensive win share season in league history (only 7 players have better seasons - lots of duplication as you might imagine). 

In other words, George Mikan was a monster on both ends of the floor.  He was the best player on the best team over the course of 6 seasons (5 of which ended in pay dirt).

He was a monster relative to a bunch of crappy players, though. That doesn’t mean he’d be even average in today’s league.

It’s kind of like trying to project numbers from China. Sometimes they translate, usually they don’t.

There were plenty of great players in the early 50's.  I think you are really underestimating the overall league quality in part because Mikan was bigger than his competition.  But bigger doesn't mean the league is crappy.  And the simple reality is that many of the best centers in league history have had significant size advantages on the vast majority of their competition.  Wilt and Shaq immediately come to mind in that regard.  I get that we've seen them more so it is easier to judge their skill level, but why wouldn't they be held to the same standard as Mikan.  Especially Wilt who continually lost to a team lead by a much smaller man.  At least Mikan and Shaq were winning titles in a league they were physically dominating. 

I think Mikan would be something like a bigger stronger but less athletic version of Anthony Davis.  Mikan was 6'10" and like 245.  He wasn't this behemoth of a player.  Coming up today he would have a lot more range offensively, and would fit in just fine.  At least that was my thinking and why I took him.  He was the best player in the league for his 6 year career and he won 5 titles.  It is hard to find a resume much better than that. 

[nickagneta]

ROUND 6 is over

We had our 4th missed pick of the day. The following team owners can select anytime they want. If by 10:00 AM EST tomorrow, Thursday, August 29th, the picks aren't posted then players will be assigned to the teams based on highest rated player on list provided in the rules:


Golden State. 5(10). greenrunsdeep41 pick anytime.
Golden State. 6(3). greenrunsdeep41 pick anytime.
San Antonio. 6(9). Silky pick anytime.
Philadelphia. 6(12). gouki88 pick anytime.

[action781]

Thanks nick, great job bud.  Much appreciated!

[nickagneta]

Mikan was bigger than everyone else, but was a sub-40% shooter.  I have a hard time projecting him in the modern era.

league average in the 51-52 season was 36.7%.  As I indicated in my prior post, Mikan finished in the top 5, 3 times and was in the top 17 the other 3 times for shooting percentage.  So for his time he was a very efficient shooter. 

He has the 3rd best win share season in league history (which ironically is the 1 season the Lakers didn't win the title).  He also has the 10th and 12th best win share seasons in league history.  He has the 2nd, 7th, and 10th best seasons in league history by offensive win shares.  His last 5 years in the league, he led the league in defensive win shares and his best of those seasons is the 22nd best defensive win share season in league history (only 7 players have better seasons - lots of duplication as you might imagine). 

In other words, George Mikan was a monster on both ends of the floor.  He was the best player on the best team over the course of 6 seasons (5 of which ended in pay dirt).

He was a monster relative to a bunch of crappy players, though. That doesn’t mean he’d be even average in today’s league.

It’s kind of like trying to project numbers from China. Sometimes they translate, usually they don’t.

There were plenty of great players in the early 50's.  I think you are really underestimating the overall league quality in part because Mikan was bigger than his competition.  But bigger doesn't mean the league is crappy.  And the simple reality is that many of the best centers in league history have had significant size advantages on the vast majority of their competition.  Wilt and Shaq immediately come to mind in that regard.  I get that we've seen them more so it is easier to judge their skill level, but why wouldn't they be held to the same standard as Mikan.  Especially Wilt who continually lost to a team lead by a much smaller man.  At least Mikan and Shaq were winning titles in a league they were physically dominating. 

I think Mikan would be something like a bigger stronger but less athletic version of Anthony Davis.  Mikan was 6'10" and like 245.  He wasn't this behemoth of a player.  Coming up today he would have a lot more range offensively, and would fit in just fine.  At least that was my thinking and why I took him.  He was the best player in the league for his 6 year career and he won 5 titles.  It is hard to find a resume much better than that.

Mikan would be listed at 7'0" today due to shoes.

[nickagneta]

Make Selections ASAP

ROUND 5   Wednesday August 28, 2019
1:00   1. Philadelphia 76ers(gouki88)Utah: Dennis Rodman
1:08   2. Boston Celtics(Celtic Fan Forever): Bob McAdoo
1:15   3. Dallas Mavericks(RPGenerate): Ray Allen
1:23   4. Utah Jazz(action781): Bob Pettit
1:30   5. Atlanta Hawks(Who): Grant Hill
1:38   6. Portland Trailblazers(Moranis): Clyde Drexler
1:45   7. Miami Heat(GreenFaith1819): Nate Thurmond
1:53   8. Detroit Pistons(Yoki_IsTheName):
Dikembe Mutombo
2:00   9. San Antonio Spurs(Silky): Utah:
Joe Dumars
2:08   10. Golden State Warriors(greenrunsdeep41):
James Harden
2:15   11. Los Angeles Lakers(Somebody)San Antonio(Somebody): Utah:
Chris Mullin
2:23   12. Chicago Bulls(Celts Fan 508):
Willis Reed

ROUND 6   Wednesday August 28, 2019
2:45   1. Chicago Bulls(Celts Fan 508):
Reggie Miller
2:53   2. Los Angeles Lakers(Somebody):
Steve Nash
3:00   3. Golden State Warriors(greenrunsdeep41):
Tom Heinsohn
3:08   4. San Antonio Spurs(Silky): Utah:
Klay Thompson
3:15   5. Detroit Pistons(Yoki_IsTheName): Dallas: Los Angeles:
Draymond Green
3:23   6. Miami Heat(GreenFaith1819):
Manu Ginobili
3:30   7. Portland Trailblazers(Moranis):
George Mikan
3:38   8. Atlanta Hawks(Who):
George Gervin
3:45   9. Utah Jazz(action781): San Antonio:
Hedo Turkoglu
3:53   10. Dallas Mavericks(RPGenerate):
Dominique Wilkins
4:00   11. Boston Celtics(Celtic Fan Forever):
Allen Iverson
4:08   12. Philadelphia 76ers(gouki88): Make selection ASAP

[nickagneta]

PLEASE CHECK TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS CORRECT

TEAM ROSTERS

EASTERN CONFERENCE

BOSTON
LeBron James
David Robinson
Scottie Pippen
Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Allen Iverson

PHILADELPHIA
Larry Bird
Karl Malone
Patrick Ewing
Nate "Tiny" Archibald
Paul Pierce

CHICAGO
Tim Duncan
Oscar Robertson
Elgin Baylor
Kevin McHale
Willis Reed
Reggie Miller

DETROIT
Kawhi Leonard
John Havlicek
John Stockton
Elvin Hayes
Dikembe Mutombo

MIAMI
Shaquille O'Neal
Jerry West
Dwyane Wade
Paul George
Nate Thurmond
Manu Ginobili

ATLANTA
Wilt Chamberlain
Dirk Nowitzki
Walt Frazier
Paul Westphal
Grant Hill
George Gervin


WESTERN CONFERENCE

LOS ANGELES
Kevin Garnett
Steph Curry
Tracey McGrady
Julius Erving
Dave Cowens
Steve Nash
Draymond Green

GOLDEN STATE
Bill Russell
Kevin Durant
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Isiah Thomas
James Harden
Tom Heinsohn

PORTLAND
Magic Johnson
Moses Malone
Charles Barkley
James Worthy
Clyde Drexler
George Mikan

UTAH
Michael Jordan
Bill Walton
Dennis Rodman
Bob Pettit
Joe Dumars
Chris Mullin
Klay Thompson

DALLAS
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Anthony Davis
Chris Paul
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Dominique Wilkins

SAN ANTONIO
Hakeem Olajuwan
Kobe Bryant
Yao Ming
Gary Payton
Hedo Turkoglu

[greenrunsdeep41]

James harden, tommy Heinson - gsw

[Roy H.]

James harden, tommy Heinson - gsw

Love Harden’s value here.

[greenrunsdeep41]

James harden, tommy Heinson - gsw

Love Harden’s value here.

Was trying for harden/Thompson.

Really sorry if I made anyone wait - first week at grad school is unpredictable.

[Celts Fan 508]

Celtics with 6(11) select Allen Iverson

I’m curious to see how you’re going to utilize him.

I’m leaning towards using him as a microwave high volume sixth man, but I have to see how the rest of my team shapes up. I couldn’t pass up on the talent at this point.

That’s a great role for him to play in this draft!!

[Donoghus]

James harden, tommy Heinson - gsw

Love Harden’s value here.

Was trying for harden/Thompson.

Really sorry if I made anyone wait - first week at grad school is unpredictable.

That's a heckua starting 5 you have there.  Lots of fire power plus, arguably, the greatest defensive anchor of all time.

[Celts Fan 508]

James harden, tommy Heinson - gsw

Love Harden’s value here.

Was trying for harden/Thompson.

Really sorry if I made anyone wait - first week at grad school is unpredictable.

I remember those days, good picks and good luck in school this year!!

[nickagneta]

Tommy Heinsohn dropping 15-20 foot hook shots in today's game would get huge crowd reactions and instantly make him a beloved player at home. Giant BBIQ and a fierce rebounder. Tremendous pick.

[Who]

I am shocked Harden took this long to go. I thought he would be a 2nd round pick or 3rd round pick (at worst) given his gaudy scoring and assist numbers + how well he does under today's rules. I thought someone might have even taken him as a 1st round pick.