Latest Celtics Rumors (6/29)

[Fafnir]

I think we only have the room exception and vet minimums so getting both is not likely.

Currently that's the most likely scenario, the Celtics are still exploring maneuvers to get the bigger MLE via trade it sounds like.

Which might be why they haven't signed any big men yet, they're not locked in on what salary offer they have.

[Green-18]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

[Boris Badenov]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

That's pretty much up to them. If even one plays like an All-Star, we will be one of the better teams in the conference.

[hwangjini_1]

this is a very good discussion on the celtics and the upcoming season - should the celtics enter a building stage for a year? or, make a trade/move to contend this year by giving up some youth?

i think the mods should move it out of the rumors thread and into its own thread.

MODS!! MODS!!!! would you break this discussion out please? thanks.

[ETNCeltics]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East. 

[Green-18]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely. 

[heyvik]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

[gpap]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star. 

For those of us that have ticket plans, what you're suggesting is an absolute nightmare and our money is basically wasted (perhaps I'm at fault for deciding to make the purchase.)

There's no reason however we should go back to rebuilding, especially when Ainge just spent $141 million on Kemba.

Plus, we know what we're getting with these guys. It's not like we haven't seen Tatum and Brown play before. Both guys are talented that need improving, but they need better players around them.

And the idea of starting Williams is a bad one (IMO.) Let's at least get a veteran center and have Williams be a back-up.

[ETNCeltics]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

[celticinorlando]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

Sure but honestly those bigs are going to be scrap heap guys that are really designed to be back ups and not starters. Just junk bigs trying to eat minutes.

[gouki88]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

Sure but honestly those bigs are going to be scrap heap guys that are really designed to be back ups and not starters. Just junk bigs trying to eat minutes.

So just like 2015-16, but with considerably more talent?

[apc]

Who is this french center i hear about? anyone has any info on him?

[Jiri Welsch]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

Sure but honestly those bigs are going to be scrap heap guys that are really designed to be back ups and not starters. Just junk bigs trying to eat minutes.

So just like 2015-16, but with considerably more talent?

A couple guys out there are more than "scrap heap" bigs. I'm just hoping we can sign one of them soon!

[gouki88]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

Sure but honestly those bigs are going to be scrap heap guys that are really designed to be back ups and not starters. Just junk bigs trying to eat minutes.

So just like 2015-16, but with considerably more talent?

A couple guys out there are more than "scrap heap" bigs. I'm just hoping we can sign one of them soon!

I'm ready for Looney, Noel or O'Quinn!

[celticinorlando]

Kemba was great..but I am just a little concerned at how much time this is taking on a big. By the time it is settled absolutely no one of any value is going to be left on the board.

I hope Ainge has something set up that we do not know about because right now it looks grim.

It is back to asset building and growing our young players which I guess go hand in hand. Making a rash move like Smart and or Brown for a big might not be the most prudent long term move right now. It is not like we are trading for someone like Kat which is simply not happening without giving away our entire franchise and even then, not happening. Panic moves always come back to bite you in the end. I just don't see someone like Adams being worth losing a Smart or Brown. Makes no sense and I would actually begin to lose confidence in Ainge if did a knee jerk reaction which he usually does not do.

My expectations are set for next year as of now though, mid-high 40's win total and tough battle in first round of playoffs with hopefully a win. But it is only the first day of free agency so things can change for the better for us. They are definitely not the worst case which would have been no Kemba. If that happened, we could be looking at border of making playoffs. The better Hayward plays, the more likely we are to cross the 50 win total range but without a good big, we are not getting through certain teams in our conference as of now. Trade Smart for someone like Adams and we are probably not getting out of the first round.

We don't need to focus on wins.  We need to focus on player development.  I want to see Robert Williams get plenty of time as backup even if he's not ready for it.  Let's really see what Brown brings to the table since we're looking at paying him 25%Max.  Let's see if Tatum can step up to being a star.   

While you are right it's going to be hard for most of us fans to admit we are not a contender this upcoming year after going to game 7 of the ECF then coming into this prior year as the favorite out of the east.  It was a short time ago that we were all flying high.  Now it's we will make the playoffs but we are not good enough to compete with Philly, Bucks, Indy.  I am all for developing timelord.  I think by the end of the year he can be a 25 minute per game defensive force.  If he shows the effort in rebounding we will be better.  We need someone else for depth because I can't see Timelord and Theis being our two centers.  Theis should be the 3rd option and we should have another player splitting time with Williams.  Adams is a perfect fit with this team and it's a shame there is no way to grab him.  The C's need defense and rebounding at the center position.  Someone who can roll to the rim and hit a 15 ft pick and pop shot.  They don't even need to be a 3 pt shooter with the scorers the C's have.  Just see ball.  Go get ball.

I'd be perfectly fine with missing the playoffs this season.  Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward.  We're not going to be a contender unless our young guys step up.  Getting some vets to make the playoffs is fine for lesser orgs where making the playoffs is an accomplishment but it doesn't get you to being a contender.

Would you not be concerned about growing frustration from Tatum and Brown?  I believe it's very important for them to continue their growth in a competitive environment.  Missing the playoffs would be a steep decline from their 2018 ECF run.   

Barring a rash of injuries, there's no chance the Celtics aren't a playoff team. If Tatum takes the step forward I expect and/or Hayward returns to his form of 2 years ago, we're likely a top 3 team in the East.

I agree completely.

But we will be exposed in the playoffs, if we have no legit big WITH a serviceable back up big.

You do understand we're going to acquire a big, and probably a couple of them? We aren't rolling into the season with RW3 and Theis as our main bigs.

Sure but honestly those bigs are going to be scrap heap guys that are really designed to be back ups and not starters. Just junk bigs trying to eat minutes.

So just like 2015-16, but with considerably more talent?

A couple guys out there are more than "scrap heap" bigs. I'm just hoping we can sign one of them soon!

I do also but not sure the $4.7 mil is going to attract quality.