Romeo Langford(merged threads)

[Valid]

Said it at the beginning of the year and I'll say it again now: he will be a top three player on this team within a couple of years. The kid is going to be a stud.

[spikelovetheCelts]

It was reported the Celts were trying to trade up to #4 to pick Darius Garland.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-eyeing-trade-no-4-pick-take-darius-garland

After the Celts couldn't land the #4 pick, they wanted Tyler Herro.

When Herro wasn't available, the Celts just drafted the player they think is the best that's available.

The Celts were also in the hunt for Anthony Davis at that time.

Drafting Romeo was really weird because the Celts have lots of wing players.

Maybe Romeo was to be a part of that Anthony Davis trade to Boston that never happened.

And if it's true that the Celts are unwilling to part with any of the core 5, it could be Romeo that would end up as trade bait.

Is he trade bait? Someone has to move for a big if want to compete this year. But what is out there. WCS is an option since GSW is out and he signed to the cheap. Maybe Carsen and a second gets it done.
I am hopeful Robert Williams gets back and continues down a growth path like Capela. I am also hopeful on Tacko being able to give us 10 minutes again in the playoffs.
 I unfortunately see next year being our year to make the finals with no trade this year. Romeo should be kept till the summer incase Gordon does leave. He looks like a player to me with those long arms. Time will tell. Kemba in the playoffs will be special.IMO

[Emmette Bryant]

19 minutes, 0 points on 0-5 shooting on Sunday for Maine, while Carson and Tremont were scoring 28 points each.
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20191215/MNEGRD/

Man, it's no longer just the injuries.  I don't think this guy has it.  James Young redux.

Woah, he had a singular bad game? The sky is falling, everyone! This sort of stuff makes me wonder if rookies hate being drafted by us...

Ok smart guy. Go ahead and quote me on this and have me eat crow if I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong. Sadly I won’t be. It’s not a singular bad game. When he has been healthy in preseason and g league he’s done nothing to impress. If you want to hold out hope after Hope is gone be my guest. But I’m officially chalking him up as a bust.

I think that this is an exaggeration.

More like a hot take that could age very poorly.

  It's definitely too early to call me wrong though.

Don't you think that it might be too early to officially chalk up a 20 year old player as a bust?

[libermaniac]

19 minutes, 0 points on 0-5 shooting on Sunday for Maine, while Carson and Tremont were scoring 28 points each.
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20191215/MNEGRD/

Man, it's no longer just the injuries.  I don't think this guy has it.  James Young redux.

Woah, he had a singular bad game? The sky is falling, everyone! This sort of stuff makes me wonder if rookies hate being drafted by us...

Ok smart guy. Go ahead and quote me on this and have me eat crow if I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong. Sadly I won’t be. It’s not a singular bad game. When he has been healthy in preseason and g league he’s done nothing to impress. If you want to hold out hope after Hope is gone be my guest. But I’m officially chalking him up as a bust.

I think that this is an exaggeration.

More like a hot take that could age very poorly.

Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be spectacularly wrong with that take.  It's definitely too early to call me wrong though.  Despite having decent stats these last two games, he still has a passivity to his game that explains to me why he went 0-5 in a Red Claws game.  E.g. he sits in the corner and waits for the game to come to him.  Hopefully, it's just early season nerves and he does more and more as he becomes more comfortable and confident.

And I assume you were one of the people who called Jaylen passive because he was parked in the corner last season and earlier on this season? It's the team's offensive scheme, Langford is playing the role of the wings/guards who stand in the corner to space the floor, he can't steal the ball from his teammates to show you that he's aggressive.

No. I’ve always liked Jaylen. I’ve always liked Jayson. I liked Rondo from day 1. I liked Big Al. I liked Delonte West. Etc. I understand the scheme, but within that he’s been very passive. It’s been rare to me that a guy that starts out so passive develops the confidence to be a solid player. Kendrick Brown and James Young we’re equally passive and never got over it. Tony Allen was one young player that did get over it. Hopefully Romeo falls in that camp. He clearly looked a bit more aggressive yesterday. Hopefully it’s a trend.

[BMark]

19 minutes, 0 points on 0-5 shooting on Sunday for Maine, while Carson and Tremont were scoring 28 points each.
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20191215/MNEGRD/

Man, it's no longer just the injuries.  I don't think this guy has it.  James Young redux.

Woah, he had a singular bad game? The sky is falling, everyone! This sort of stuff makes me wonder if rookies hate being drafted by us...

Ok smart guy. Go ahead and quote me on this and have me eat crow if I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong. Sadly I won’t be. It’s not a singular bad game. When he has been healthy in preseason and g league he’s done nothing to impress. If you want to hold out hope after Hope is gone be my guest. But I’m officially chalking him up as a bust.

I think that this is an exaggeration.

More like a hot take that could age very poorly.

Trust me, I would love nothing more than to be spectacularly wrong with that take.  It's definitely too early to call me wrong though.  Despite having decent stats these last two games, he still has a passivity to his game that explains to me why he went 0-5 in a Red Claws game.  E.g. he sits in the corner and waits for the game to come to him.  Hopefully, it's just early season nerves and he does more and more as he becomes more comfortable and confident.

And I assume you were one of the people who called Jaylen passive because he was parked in the corner last season and earlier on this season? It's the team's offensive scheme, Langford is playing the role of the wings/guards who stand in the corner to space the floor, he can't steal the ball from his teammates to show you that he's aggressive.

No. I’ve always liked Jaylen. I’ve always liked Jayson. I liked Rondo from day 1. I liked Big Al. I liked Delonte West. Etc. I understand the scheme, but within that he’s been very passive. It’s been rare to me that a guy that starts out so passive develops the confidence to be a solid player. Kendrick Brown and James Young we’re equally passive and never got over it. Tony Allen was one young player that did get over it. Hopefully Romeo falls in that camp. He clearly looked a bit more aggressive yesterday. Hopefully it’s a trend.

He looked pretty assertive to me yesterday on offense, defense and on the boards. I was impressed with that follow up offensive rebound.

[Fierce1]

It was reported the Celts were trying to trade up to #4 to pick Darius Garland.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-eyeing-trade-no-4-pick-take-darius-garland

After the Celts couldn't land the #4 pick, they wanted Tyler Herro.

When Herro wasn't available, the Celts just drafted the player they think is the best that's available.

The Celts were also in the hunt for Anthony Davis at that time.

Drafting Romeo was really weird because the Celts have lots of wing players.

Maybe Romeo was to be a part of that Anthony Davis trade to Boston that never happened.

And if it's true that the Celts are unwilling to part with any of the core 5, it could be Romeo that would end up as trade bait.

Is he trade bait? Someone has to move for a big if want to compete this year. But what is out there. WCS is an option since GSW is out and he signed to the cheap. Maybe Carsen and a second gets it done.
I am hopeful Robert Williams gets back and continues down a growth path like Capela. I am also hopeful on Tacko being able to give us 10 minutes again in the playoffs.
 I unfortunately see next year being our year to make the finals with no trade this year. Romeo should be kept till the summer incase Gordon does leave. He looks like a player to me with those long arms. Time will tell. Kemba in the playoffs will be special.IMO

Celts really have a chance to make it to the Finals this season.

The only obstacle is the Bucks.

Philly becomes an obstacle if the Celts don't make a trade this year.
Celts just need to make a minor move like Poeltl, Noel, or WCS.

Adding another big that can help contain Embiid and Giannis will increase the Celts' chances of making it to the Finals in June.

So why pass on an opportunity to win it all this season?

[nickagneta]

It was reported the Celts were trying to trade up to #4 to pick Darius Garland.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-rumors-celtics-eyeing-trade-no-4-pick-take-darius-garland

After the Celts couldn't land the #4 pick, they wanted Tyler Herro.

When Herro wasn't available, the Celts just drafted the player they think is the best that's available.

The Celts were also in the hunt for Anthony Davis at that time.

Drafting Romeo was really weird because the Celts have lots of wing players.

Maybe Romeo was to be a part of that Anthony Davis trade to Boston that never happened.

And if it's true that the Celts are unwilling to part with any of the core 5, it could be Romeo that would end up as trade bait.

Is he trade bait? Someone has to move for a big if want to compete this year. But what is out there. WCS is an option since GSW is out and he signed to the cheap. Maybe Carsen and a second gets it done.
I am hopeful Robert Williams gets back and continues down a growth path like Capela. I am also hopeful on Tacko being able to give us 10 minutes again in the playoffs.
 I unfortunately see next year being our year to make the finals with no trade this year. Romeo should be kept till the summer incase Gordon does leave. He looks like a player to me with those long arms. Time will tell. Kemba in the playoffs will be special.IMO

Celts really have a chance to make it to the Finals this season.

The only obstacle is the Bucks.

Philly becomes an obstacle if the Celts don't make a trade this year.
Celts just need to make a minor move like Poeltl, Noel, or WCS.

Adding another big that can help contain Embiid and Giannis will increase the Celts' chances of making it to the Finals in June.

So why pass on an opportunity to win it all this season?

There is also the very, very real possibility that Brad Stevens, Danny Ainge, the Celtics scouting department and ownership do not feel that adding a third string center, which all the guys you mentioned would be on this team, is going to be enough to make any difference against superstar, MVP quality opposition. None of those guys are going to do any better a job on the Embiid's, Giannis's, Davis's, and others than Theis and/or Kanter.

Also, this talk does not belong in this thread. If you want to answer this Fierce, do it in the big man thread where you are also making the same comments

[footey]

Theis can’t be on the floor when Embiid is.

[droopdog7]

Romeo is definitely one of the more tradeable pieces on the roster.

I don't think they'll be eager to move him just because young rookie contract guys are very important when you have a capped out roster. Is there a move that justifies losing that cheap potential? I'm skeptical this year as a journeyman big man or scoring wing who doesn't make a ton doesn't strike me as changing this team's potential to upset the Bucks.

I agree with this.

While I know there are theories that Romeo was only drafted to replace a Celtic player, I don't buy that. I think he was drafted because Ainge thought him the best player available.

And while I get he is a good candidate to be shipped for an asset at a different position, like you, faf, I don't see that happening soon because Ainge needs lots of cost controlled guys because he is going to have potentially 4 guys making max or near max money in the future.

For that reason, I don't think Romeo is being showcased. I think he is just being developed. It makes sense he is playing with two rotational guys like Smart and Hayward hurt and Wanamaker nursing some sore lower body parts.

Langford could be a Hayward replacement if he signs elsewhere. Or a Smart, Tatum or Brown replacement if they are traded. Or Langford could be traded for someone. But I don't see any of that happening this year.

This year you develop him. You will increase his value that way. You see what you have. You see what Hayward's future here is as come the deadline it could become clear Hayward will be opting out, so maybe he needs to be traded. Then make definitive decisions after all that.

In other words, keep things fluid, with all possibilities there and in the meantime you let Stevens turn the kid into a top notch player by developing him this year.

Agree. He was much more tradeable by amateur GMs on this Board (including me!) until the last 2 games, when he showed his talent and upside. 

Things change fast.

His last two games shouldn’t trade how tradeable you think he is; just what you’d be willing to trade him for.  Fans only want to trade guys that they don’t think are good, which of course is wrong.  And one could argue that Romeo flashing talent makes him MORE tradeable since another team might want him.

[Fierce1]

The problem with Langford is how is he going to get playing time.

With Smart coming off the bench when all of the core 5 are healthy, Langford will not get significant playing for the next 3 seasons.

Gordon Hayward is not going anywhere any time soon.

[nickagneta]

The problem with Langford is how is he going to get playing time.

With Smart coming off the bench when all of the core 5 are healthy, Langford will not get significant playing for the next 3 seasons.

Gordon Hayward is not going anywhere any time soon.

Wanamaker won't be on the team next year and Romeo is already taking over Edwards minutes because those would have been his minutes if he wasn't injured. Smart gets Wanamaker's minutes as back up PG along with some shared minutes with Kemba and Romeo gets his minutes(minutes Edwards was getting) and the SG minutes Smart won't be getting because he is taking over Wanamaker's minutes.

Kemba 32 minutes
Jaylen 32 minutes
Tatum 32 minutes
Hayward 30 minutes
Smart 28 minutes
Romeo 20 minutes
Grant Williams 18 minutes

That's all of the minutes for positions 1-4. You figure 2 players at the 5 getting minutes, Timelord being one( and we will see who Danny has as a possible answer at the 5) and you have your 9 man rotation.

Of course due to injury, load management, foul trouble, poor play and slumps, garbage time, etc., other players, like Edwards or Waters or Semi or Green or the third string center(Tacko maybe) or the Memphis pick will get minutes. But there should be plenty of minutes for Romeo to play and develop.

And if Hayward opts out and signs elsewhere or gets traded for that center that you want so bad, Romeo's minutes and use will only increase. In my opinion, Romeo will have plenty of opportunity to play and develop this year and into the future.

[Tr1boy]

The problem with Langford is how is he going to get playing time.

With Smart coming off the bench when all of the core 5 are healthy, Langford will not get significant playing for the next 3 seasons.

Gordon Hayward is not going anywhere any time soon.

Smart and Hayward have been injury prone unfortunately

Brown has been injured also

The bottom line is and/or hope is while these guys are down for a bit the team doesnt miss a beat in terms of talent production from the wing position

Also down the line I much prefer the starters playing and sitting together all at once and rotate in a full a bench

This way less injury and wear and tear

[Fafnir]

Grant Williams is going to be the defacto third string Center given how much run Brad has already given him in the small 5 role.

[Tr1boy]

highlights of Langford vs Pistons and Hornets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH3CTKIAkj8


Langford has much a better handles than I thought. Looks strong driving/finishing with either hand.

He is much more bouncier than I thought also.  And if his 3 point shooting continues to be nuts and bolts

Boy did Danny come out like a thief from the 2019 draft

[Emmette Bryant]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/12/boston-celtics-super-talented-rookie-romeo-langford-is-making-his-case-for-extended-minutes-tom-westerholm.html