Who are we clearing (max?) cap space for?

[TheSundanceKid]

By not renouncing Rozier we have the exact cap space needed to absorb Adams contract. Ironic.  If we traded for Adams and got a future pick out of the deal, re-signed Rozier, maybe use the exception to sign another PG not a bad fall back if other options don’t work out.

Rozier is a crap fall back plan.

If they decide to go the absolute crazy route and get adams.(at least he MIGHT let team play hayward at pf) thebteam isbstill better off signing a power forward. We only have 1. Why sign a 4th pointguard at that point.

I think if you are re-signing Rozier then I guess we're accepting that we are competing for the 8th seed next year.

I'm not against it if it positions us well to get a 3rd core piece alongside the Jays. The Kyrie Horford timeline is gone, so I'm thinking about the Jays when they hit their second contracts now

[RodyTur10]

TP @ alt for another well-argumented and informing post.

I'm again pushing for Julius Randle, I think he can be an All Star.

I compared Julius Randle to Blake Griffin and it's scary.....    (look at the averages per 36 minutes!)

Randle (18/19) vs Griffin (13/14), both at 24 years of age:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Julius+Randle&player_id1_select=Julius+Randle&player_id1=randlju01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Blake+Griffin&player_id2_select=Blake+Griffin&player_id2=griffbl01&y2=2014#stats-per_minute::none

Randle vs Griffin over their whole careers so far:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Julius+Randle&player_id1_select=Julius+Randle&player_id1=randlju01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Blake+Griffin&player_id2_select=Blake+Griffin&player_id2=griffbl01&y2=2019

I already thought that Randle was possibly the most underrated player in the NBA, but I find these stats simply astonishing. Sure Randle is not a good defender, but that production is amazing.

[Sophomore]

Tacko Fall. Book it.

[RodyTur10]

So Jvalin brought back up Thomas Bryant. According to him Washington can't match salaries over $9,073,050, details on Bryant: https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=100549.msg2694021#new

I'm very high on Julius Randle and I don't think he'll command a max contract.

If we can sign both Randle and Bryant on 4-year deals (for example 80 and 48 million each) I'd find that an absolute dream scenario. They complement each other's qualities quite well. No more small ball!

Who's in agreement?

[mmmmm]

Hopefully, for me atleast, Malcolm Brogdon and a big.

I'm at the point of obsession in wanting Malcolm Borgdon play for us. Perfect fit, would not hinder in the development of our blue chip prospects, and would add overall quality to the squad.

Whatever is left of it, give to a big. A DeWayne Dedmon maybe.

I'm with you in the Go-Aggressive-After-Brogdon camp.

I'd issue him an offersheet that would clearly take MIL over the tax threshold if they try to match it (while also keeping their other top FAs).

If we get him, I start him at PG and be [dang] happy about that.  He's a great, smart basketball player who can play on-the-ball or off as needed.  He's almost perfect for Brad's system.

If MIL matches, then I've forced MIL to pay through the teeth for him.

[mmmmm]

Boston doesn't have that type of creators. If Brogdon was the Celtics PG, the offense would be too stagnant. He's not dynamic enough as a playmaker/shot-creator. Not quite quick enough, or good enough at advanced dribbling or creative enough as a passer or just terrific at making difficult shots. He's a very intelligent and oportunistic player who's fabulous at attacking defenders that are already at a disadvantage but he's not the player that will consistently put the defenders in that position.

Boston is going to have a fully healthy Hayward, who is probably going to be the primary playmaker.   This will put Brogdon in the same role of off-ball finisher / complementary playmaker.

[gpap]

I know the more attainable and realistic guys are Russell (maybe), Randle and Vucevic.

However, once free agency starts at 6pm on the 30th, the first guy I call if I am Ainge is Kemba Walker.

He may or may not stay in Charlotte but that team is going nowhere and are saddled with bad contracts.

I know he'll get tons of interest from other teams with cap space, but just the thought of seeing him replace Kyrie next year would be great! I know it's unlikely, but that would be my first target.

Aim high and work your way down.

[gpap]

TP @ alt for another well-argumented and informing post.

I'm again pushing for Julius Randle, I think he can be an All Star.

I compared Julius Randle to Blake Griffin and it's scary.....    (look at the averages per 36 minutes!)

Randle (18/19) vs Griffin (13/14), both at 24 years of age:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Julius+Randle&player_id1_select=Julius+Randle&player_id1=randlju01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Blake+Griffin&player_id2_select=Blake+Griffin&player_id2=griffbl01&y2=2014#stats-per_minute::none

Randle vs Griffin over their whole careers so far:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Julius+Randle&player_id1_select=Julius+Randle&player_id1=randlju01&y1=2019&player_id2_hint=Blake+Griffin&player_id2_select=Blake+Griffin&player_id2=griffbl01&y2=2019

I already thought that Randle was possibly the most underrated player in the NBA, but I find these stats simply astonishing. Sure Randle is not a good defender, but that production is amazing.

I like Randle too.

[Who]

But see, that's the thing. If we sign him for $20+ million AAV, you don't play him as a role player, you start him at PG and make him one of the core of the team, and I think he can do that.

He in Milwaukee, as a role player, put up decent offensive number, shot with crazy good efficiency, was a versatile player, and played terrific defense. He was in the top 20 in the league in EFG% and Offensive Rating, he led the league in FT% and is in the top 10 in 3PTFG%.

You give that player more playing time (he averaged 28 minutes a game last season), a couple more extra shots, and it's not impossibly for Brogdon to be a 20 - 5 - 5 guy shooting at very good efficiency, and offering the extra stuff that he can bring.

(for reference, Brogdon's Per 36 last year, 19.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.8 TO's)

I have done these in other threads, but I call him the guard version of Al Horford. He won't wow you with 20+ points per game, but he's going to do all the right things on the court. He will be play tough, unselfish, and efficient basketball, and fill the stat sheet quite decently. We didn't mind paying Horford the max for what he brought, so I don't see why we can't do the same with Brogdon.

And most of all, like I keep saying, if we put a big offer sheet on Brogdon (assuming he signs it) we put the Milwaukee Bucks in a position to either lose him, or retain him, but teeter around, or go over the lux tax line, essentially affecting their ability to improve their team.

I really want him to be a Celtic, and I would again go as far as to say that even at the max, it's worth having him.

Here's the problem:

Brogdon shot at a sky high 71.2% eFG% in catch-and-shoot situations.

He shot an awful 36% eFG% in pull-ups.

His eFG% was 67.4% when he touched the ball less than 2 seconds before shooting,  54.2% when he touched the ball between 2 and 6 seconds, 42.6% when he touched the ball more than 6 seconds.


 In Milwaukee, Brogdon was playing off of Giannis, Middleton and Bledsoe. Those 3 were the Bucks' main creators. Only then  you'd have Brogdon and George Hill.

Boston doesn't have that type of creators. If Brogdon was the Celtics PG, the offense would be too stagnant. He's not dynamic enough as a playmaker/shot-creator. Not quite quick enough, or good enough at advanced dribbling or creative enough as a passer or just terrific at making difficult shots. He's a very intelligent and oportunistic player who's fabulous at attacking defenders that are already at a disadvantage but he's not the player that will consistently put the defenders in that position.

Great info on Brogdon's scoring. TP.

[mctyson]

Smart and Romeo can play point and Rubio can be had for cheap so no Russell
Brogdon and Vučević aren't worth the max
Capela,Adams are overpaid, a NO NO
Maybe throw big money at Vučević for need and try to add cheap nice role players like Beverly

I agree with all of this except Vucevic comment.

I think people need to be prepared a lot of small ball next year.

[Fierce1]

Sounds like we're trying to clear up some cap space. But for whom?

Can't imagine that we're going to be offering someone like Middleton, or even Kemba Walker, a max. So who do we think we will end up with?

Mike

There's an article I read where the Celts might be open to absorbing a bad contract as long as it is sweetened by draft picks, preferably lottery picks.

So that's one potential use of the max cap space.

[Silky]

If romeo can play point I like the selections more. But I dont know.

As for signings.

Thomas bryant at 12 mill.
Randle at 17 mill
Leaves about 7 mill and the room mle for good vets.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/romeo
Tatum/hayward/semi
Randle/williams/yabu
Bryant/williams

[Birdman]

Love to have Randle at PF and 2 of the 3 at C..Dedmon, Bryant, or Noel

[Celts Fan 508]

If romeo can play point I like the selections more. But I dont know.

As for signings.

Thomas bryant at 12 mill.
Randle at 17 mill
Leaves about 7 mill and the room mle for good vets.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/romeo
Tatum/hayward/semi
Randle/williams/yabu
Bryant/williams

I’d prefer Randle at $17 million, Brogdon at $19 million, room MLE on Robin Lopez or someone like that that offers us some height and post defense. 

[Celts Fan 508]

Sounds like we're trying to clear up some cap space. But for whom?

Can't imagine that we're going to be offering someone like Middleton, or even Kemba Walker, a max. So who do we think we will end up with?

Mike

There's an article I read where the Celts might be open to absorbing a bad contract as long as it is sweetened by draft picks, preferably lottery picks.

So that's one potential use of the max cap space.

Sounds interesting, do you remember where you read that?