Who are we clearing (max?) cap space for?

[Monkhouse]

The Durant pipe dream needs to die down... Irving would definitely stay if that was the case, and not be 'ghosting,' us.

[wdleehi]

Are the Celtics clearing cap space to get someone or moving on from win now players that no longer fit the direction and time line?

After Irving and Horford decided to go, who is left should the Celtics resign?

[gpap]

The Durant scenario is unlikely but I wouldn't mind it at all.

Deal Hayward for Durant, bring back Kyrie and Horford.

It wouldn't surprise me if Danny and Kyrie have discussed this. But it's ultimately up to Durant.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Hopefully, for me atleast, Malcolm Brogdon and a big.

I'm at the point of obsession in wanting Malcolm Borgdon play for us. Perfect fit, would not hinder in the development of our blue chip prospects, and would add overall quality to the squad.

Whatever is left of it, give to a big. A DeWayne Dedmon maybe.

[Monkhouse]

Hopefully, for me atleast, Malcolm Brogdon and a big.

I'm at the point of obsession in wanting Malcolm Borgdon play for us. Perfect fit, would not hinder in the development of our blue chip prospects, and would add overall quality to the squad.

Whatever is left of it, give to a big. A DeWayne Dedmon maybe.

I really like Brogdon, but you guys really need to tamper expectations... Paying a role player over $20 million isn't smart business sense...

People ostracize anyone who thinks Draymond should get the max, (he was in the discussion for super max which was vehemently shut down,) and yet Brogdon should get one or close to it?

That being said, Draymond should absolutely get the max, and it wasn't even a question that he deserved one. Super max? Yeah probably not, but Draymond has been one of the best defenders, and a huge reason for why they made it so far despite consistent nagging injuries.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Hopefully, for me atleast, Malcolm Brogdon and a big.

I'm at the point of obsession in wanting Malcolm Borgdon play for us. Perfect fit, would not hinder in the development of our blue chip prospects, and would add overall quality to the squad.

Whatever is left of it, give to a big. A DeWayne Dedmon maybe.

I really like Brogdon, but you guys really need to tamper expectations... Paying a role player over $20 million isn't smart business sense...

People ostracize anyone who thinks Draymond should get the max, (he was in the discussion for super max which was vehemently shut down,) and yet Brogdon should get one or close to it?

That being said, Draymond should absolutely get the max, and it wasn't even a question that he deserved one. Super max? Yeah probably not, but Draymond has been one of the best defenders, and a huge reason for why they made it so far despite consistent nagging injuries.

But see, that's the thing. If we sign him for $20+ million AAV, you don't play him as a role player, you start him at PG and make him one of the core of the team, and I think he can do that.

He in Milwaukee, as a role player, put up decent offensive number, shot with crazy good efficiency, was a versatile player, and played terrific defense. He was in the top 20 in the league in EFG% and Offensive Rating, he led the league in FT% and is in the top 10 in 3PTFG%.

You give that player more playing time (he averaged 28 minutes a game last season), a couple more extra shots, and it's not impossibly for Brogdon to be a 20 - 5 - 5 guy shooting at very good efficiency, and offering the extra stuff that he can bring.

(for reference, Brogdon's Per 36 last year, 19.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.8 TO's)

I have done these in other threads, but I call him the guard version of Al Horford. He won't wow you with 20+ points per game, but he's going to do all the right things on the court. He will be play tough, unselfish, and efficient basketball, and fill the stat sheet quite decently. We didn't mind paying Horford the max for what he brought, so I don't see why we can't do the same with Brogdon.

And most of all, like I keep saying, if we put a big offer sheet on Brogdon (assuming he signs it) we put the Milwaukee Bucks in a position to either lose him, or retain him, but teeter around, or go over the lux tax line, essentially affecting their ability to improve their team.

I really want him to be a Celtic, and I would again go as far as to say that even at the max, it's worth having him. 

[__ramonezy__]

Brogdon, Cousins would be great starting additions.

I've had my eye on Carsen Edwards for a minute and dude gets buckets... that type of player would be a great Fred VanVleet style for our 2nd unit.... provided he reaches his potential

[ManUp]

I will be disappointed if Danny doesn't take a look at Julius Randle. He's a versatile defender, good rebounder and decent play-maker. I feel like he'd be ideal to have next to players like Brown and Tatum. A guy who could take it off the glass and start the break. He's a guy we could play as a small ball 5 and would be versatile enough to stick on guys like Simmons and Giannis. And I forgot to mention the guy isn't even 25 yet.

The only reason I see not to go after him is Hayward which I think would be sad.

[rondofan1255]

Unpopular opinion, but hopefully not Vucevic. Just not impressive at all IMO in the TOR series. And defense is not good either.

[Neurotic Guy]

Sounds like we're trying to clear up some cap space. But for whom?

Can't imagine that we're going to be offering someone like Middleton, or even Kemba Walker, a max. So who do we think we will end up with?

Mike

I'll take anybody. Any max level free agent. Kemba, Middleton, Vucevic...you name it. Speaking of Kemba, what a replacement he would be for Kyrie!!

I agree — I love Kemba.  Kemba, Brown, Tatum , Hayward sounds great to me.   It’s the 5 and size at the 4 that are really lacking.  But I’d be borderline excited again if they got Kemba.

[JBcat]

By not renouncing Rozier we have the exact cap space needed to absorb Adams contract. Ironic.  If we traded for Adams and got a future pick out of the deal, re-signed Rozier, maybe use the exception to sign another PG not a bad fall back if other options don’t work out.

[Silky]

By not renouncing Rozier we have the exact cap space needed to absorb Adams contract. Ironic.  If we traded for Adams and got a future pick out of the deal, re-signed Rozier, maybe use the exception to sign another PG not a bad fall back if other options don’t work out.

Rozier is a crap fall back plan.

If they decide to go the absolute crazy route and get adams.(at least he MIGHT let team play hayward at pf) thebteam isbstill better off signing a power forward. We only have 1. Why sign a 4th pointguard at that point.

[hwangjini_1]

instead of signing rozier, could the celtics sign rubio instead? last year he made $14,975,000. i dont know what he is looking for now.

[playdream]

Smart and Romeo can play point and Rubio can be had for cheap so no Russell
Brogdon and Vučević aren't worth the max
Capela,Adams are overpaid, a NO NO
Maybe throw big money at Vučević for need and try to add cheap nice role players like Beverly

[alt]

But see, that's the thing. If we sign him for $20+ million AAV, you don't play him as a role player, you start him at PG and make him one of the core of the team, and I think he can do that.

He in Milwaukee, as a role player, put up decent offensive number, shot with crazy good efficiency, was a versatile player, and played terrific defense. He was in the top 20 in the league in EFG% and Offensive Rating, he led the league in FT% and is in the top 10 in 3PTFG%.

You give that player more playing time (he averaged 28 minutes a game last season), a couple more extra shots, and it's not impossibly for Brogdon to be a 20 - 5 - 5 guy shooting at very good efficiency, and offering the extra stuff that he can bring.

(for reference, Brogdon's Per 36 last year, 19.7 points, 5.7 rebounds, 4 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.8 TO's)

I have done these in other threads, but I call him the guard version of Al Horford. He won't wow you with 20+ points per game, but he's going to do all the right things on the court. He will be play tough, unselfish, and efficient basketball, and fill the stat sheet quite decently. We didn't mind paying Horford the max for what he brought, so I don't see why we can't do the same with Brogdon.

And most of all, like I keep saying, if we put a big offer sheet on Brogdon (assuming he signs it) we put the Milwaukee Bucks in a position to either lose him, or retain him, but teeter around, or go over the lux tax line, essentially affecting their ability to improve their team.

I really want him to be a Celtic, and I would again go as far as to say that even at the max, it's worth having him.

Here's the problem:

Brogdon shot at a sky high 71.2% eFG% in catch-and-shoot situations.

He shot an awful 36% eFG% in pull-ups.

His eFG% was 67.4% when he touched the ball less than 2 seconds before shooting,  54.2% when he touched the ball between 2 and 6 seconds, 42.6% when he touched the ball more than 6 seconds.


 In Milwaukee, Brogdon was playing off of Giannis, Middleton and Bledsoe. Those 3 were the Bucks' main creators. Only then  you'd have Brogdon and George Hill.

Boston doesn't have that type of creators. If Brogdon was the Celtics PG, the offense would be too stagnant. He's not dynamic enough as a playmaker/shot-creator. Not quite quick enough, or good enough at advanced dribbling or creative enough as a passer or just terrific at making difficult shots. He's a very intelligent and oportunistic player who's fabulous at attacking defenders that are already at a disadvantage but he's not the player that will consistently put the defenders in that position.