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Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #105 on: June 13, 2019, 01:27:25 AM »

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People want to know why Kyrie has a new agent? Don't follow the connections to Brooklyn ownership....FOLLOW THE MONEY! Kyrie has a new agent because he thinks this agent can make him more money.
that's exactly how I see it

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #106 on: June 13, 2019, 11:52:43 AM »

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Isn't ROC nation in deep with Brooklyn?

Jay-z is from Brooklyn. That's about it. They're clientele is pretty spread out.

jay-z use to be small owner of bkln and had to sell his part b/c of this agency, I think. I could have it wrong, I really dont remember it clear enough. I dont really remember because my only interest in the agency was because James Young signed with them when we drafted him.

But it's a partnership with CAA and they don't have a history of steering clients to specific teams.

Doesn't matter though. People are going to infer what they want into this.

Now that Kyrie is gone is it okay for us to criticize him....
what team did kyrie sign with?

He is not under contract with any team right now. So is it okay to be objective about him now?
Rofl. It’s really funny when a fan calls their opinion objective

Well? He is no longer a Celtic can we talk about him now?
Nobody is stopping you. There’s even a Kyrie complaint thread.

My take is Ainge got greedy and messed up a good thing by trading for the malcontent. Now his plan is up in smoke. Kyrie was never a true celtic. I say good riddance to Kyrie.
Look, you might be right. I was probably willing to overlook Kyrie's flaws because I wanted us to win.

I don't know that Ainge got greedy. The good thing was ruined by IT's hip anyway.

Good point.  I was against the Irving trade, and I'd still be against it if it were about all players at top health and ability.  But the severity of the Thomas injury makes that all moot.  Whether Ainge got greedy or not, or made the right move for the long term, is no longer relevant, because Thomas isn't Thomas.

He got greedy because Kyrie was never in the plan... the plan was to keep getting assets from New Jersey and then go in for the big splash. He got greedy spent the Brooklyn 1st IT and multiple players for the malcontent. Now the malcontent is going to Nets for nothing, zilch, nada, so this makes the Nets trade a little more even. Mean Cs pretty much 'gave' the Nets back one of their picks.

You undercut your own argument, as Irving was certainly a big splash.  What you call greed is precisely what the plan was in the first place.  The amassing of assets in order to gain a top player was what was intended. 

Now, if you want to argue about the specific person to be gotten, I'd be on the side of not choosing the petulant, balky-kneed, point guard who's more of a top 10-20 kind of player than the top 1-5 guy that he seems to think he is. 


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Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2019, 02:36:25 PM »

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Isn't ROC nation in deep with Brooklyn?

Jay-z is from Brooklyn. That's about it. They're clientele is pretty spread out.

jay-z use to be small owner of bkln and had to sell his part b/c of this agency, I think. I could have it wrong, I really dont remember it clear enough. I dont really remember because my only interest in the agency was because James Young signed with them when we drafted him.

But it's a partnership with CAA and they don't have a history of steering clients to specific teams.

Doesn't matter though. People are going to infer what they want into this.

Now that Kyrie is gone is it okay for us to criticize him....
what team did kyrie sign with?

He is not under contract with any team right now. So is it okay to be objective about him now?
Rofl. It’s really funny when a fan calls their opinion objective

Well? He is no longer a Celtic can we talk about him now?
Nobody is stopping you. There’s even a Kyrie complaint thread.

My take is Ainge got greedy and messed up a good thing by trading for the malcontent. Now his plan is up in smoke. Kyrie was never a true celtic. I say good riddance to Kyrie.
Look, you might be right. I was probably willing to overlook Kyrie's flaws because I wanted us to win.

I don't know that Ainge got greedy. The good thing was ruined by IT's hip anyway.

Good point.  I was against the Irving trade, and I'd still be against it if it were about all players at top health and ability.  But the severity of the Thomas injury makes that all moot.  Whether Ainge got greedy or not, or made the right move for the long term, is no longer relevant, because Thomas isn't Thomas.

He got greedy because Kyrie was never in the plan... the plan was to keep getting assets from New Jersey and then go in for the big splash. He got greedy spent the Brooklyn 1st IT and multiple players for the malcontent. Now the malcontent is going to Nets for nothing, zilch, nada, so this makes the Nets trade a little more even. Mean Cs pretty much 'gave' the Nets back one of their picks.

You undercut your own argument, as Irving was certainly a big splash.  What you call greed is precisely what the plan was in the first place.  The amassing of assets in order to gain a top player was what was intended. 

Now, if you want to argue about the specific person to be gotten, I'd be on the side of not choosing the petulant, balky-kneed, point guard who's more of a top 10-20 kind of player than the top 1-5 guy that he seems to think he is.

YEah, I don't see how DA was greedy. We didn't really give up a lot of our assets for Irving that would tipped the scales getting AD. Crowder most likely would have been gone or regressed, and same with IT.

The nets pick is the only thing that MAY have been worth something, but DA would have had to draft that pick just right, Sexton was decent on a bad team, not something that would really tip the balances in a trade, unlike if it worked out better with IRving who is not a chip, but a reason for AD to stay.

If DA can't keep Irving, or get AD, I wouldn't jump down his throat about it. He made moves to get Smart/Brown/Tatum all who can be big parts of a big trade, plus a handfull of picks. He can't force team chemistry, or a team to like his players in a package.

Worse Case is we build off of Brown and Tatum, and if DA can bundle three picks and Williams/Yabu to jump up in the draft another young prospect pg, have Hayward and Horford be the mentors, and use theMEmph pick on a young big next year, we are good in a coufple years.

I mean it's not like we've been the Knicks while we've been trying to rebuild. 


Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #108 on: June 13, 2019, 03:11:02 PM »

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Lowe was less surprised and didn't think it indicated much, which surprised me. He said the change in reps had been in the works for a while also. His old agent somewhat famously refused to go below 4% on Harrison Barnes FA contract, similar money issues might be the main reason here.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #109 on: June 13, 2019, 03:14:18 PM »

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Lowe was less surprised and didn't think it indicated much, which surprised me. He said the change in reps had been in the works for a while also. His old agent somewhat famously refused to go below 4% on Harrison Barnes FA contract, similar money issues might be the main reason here.
Yup, as I thought. Follow the money. Also, I think it makes sense to change agents when you have a major contract coming up if you aren't 100% happy wiith your representation.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #110 on: June 13, 2019, 03:15:51 PM »

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Lowe was less surprised and didn't think it indicated much, which surprised me. He said the change in reps had been in the works for a while also. His old agent somewhat famously refused to go below 4% on Harrison Barnes FA contract, similar money issues might be the main reason here.
Yup, as I thought. Follow the money. Also, I think it makes sense to change agents when you have a major contract coming up if you aren't 100% happy wiith your representation.
Its also the one point in the relationship where you have the absolute most leverage on contractual terms, because the big payday is coming.

I still think he's gone and it bums me out. This whole year in basketball has been a huge bummer.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #111 on: June 13, 2019, 03:45:43 PM »

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80% he signs with Nets, 10% with Celtics, 5% with Lakers, 5% with Knikcs i would say. Nets were his favorite team growing up so it makes sense.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #112 on: June 13, 2019, 03:49:57 PM »

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I say Nets 70% and Lakers 30%. He aint coming back to Boston.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #113 on: June 13, 2019, 03:51:29 PM »

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90-95 percent Nets. Think the plan is to pair him and KD up there with Russell's rights being renounced.

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« Reply #114 on: June 13, 2019, 03:51:50 PM »

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Danny should have kept the Bklyn pick instead of sending it out for a malcontent. Now the Nets get back their pick through the malcontent.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #115 on: June 13, 2019, 03:53:44 PM »

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90-95 percent Nets. Think the plan is to pair him and KD up there with Russell's rights being renounced.
The Nets 100% plan to pair him with another player. Remains to be seen if they can land that other player I am skeptical honestly because other than Kyrie they haven't been linked to the other top guys.

I think Kyrie was trying to sell KD on the Nets situation, who knows how far that got. Especially with KD's injury it could easily still be the team up they were planning or KD/Kyrie might change their minds.

Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #116 on: June 13, 2019, 03:54:49 PM »

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Danny should have kept the Bklyn pick instead of sending it out for a malcontent. Now the Nets get back their pick through the malcontent.
I'll take 2 years of all-nba talent for the 8th pick every time.

Now it wasn't the 8th pick when they sent it, C's lucked out it wasn't a premium lottery pick that could have fetched Doncic. But I have no regrets over the price paid for Kyrie, merely regrets that it went so poorly.

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« Reply #117 on: June 13, 2019, 04:05:46 PM »

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Danny should have kept the Bklyn pick instead of sending it out for a malcontent. Now the Nets get back their pick through the malcontent.
I'll take 2 years of all-nba talent for the 8th pick every time.

Now it wasn't the 8th pick when they sent it, C's lucked out it wasn't a premium lottery pick that could have fetched Doncic. But I have no regrets over the price paid for Kyrie, merely regrets that it went so poorly.

TP for this. We got him cheap, it was a great deal, and he's a very good player that the Cs should want to keep. Caponomics are clearly in favor of keeping high-level talent rather than losing them for nothing, but the fact that we are in a reasonable position to withstand such a major talent loss is a tribute to very strong management on Ainge's part.
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Re: Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent
« Reply #118 on: June 13, 2019, 04:16:36 PM »

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For what it’s worth Woj says Kyrie’s representation won’t impact his decision.

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« Reply #119 on: June 13, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »

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90-95 percent Nets. Think the plan is to pair him and KD up there with Russell's rights being renounced.
The Nets 100% plan to pair him with another player. Remains to be seen if they can land that other player I am skeptical honestly because other than Kyrie they haven't been linked to the other top guys.

I think Kyrie was trying to sell KD on the Nets situation, who knows how far that got. Especially with KD's injury it could easily still be the team up they were planning or KD/Kyrie might change their minds.

i think they will sign D'Angelo Russell and Kyrie. And i think Durent stays with GSW. We will see. Guess they think Russel and Kyrie can play together. xD