Per Woj...Kyrie just fired his agent

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I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

[SparzWizard]

Opening night lineup:

Free Agent PG
Jaylen Brown
Gordon Hayward
Jayson Tatum
Clint Capela

Sounds like youth movement.

[SparzWizard]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

It doesn't matter the "when" but the "who" in this situation.

[wiley]

Isn't ROC nation in deep with Brooklyn?

Jay-z is from Brooklyn. That's about it. They're clientele is pretty spread out.

jay-z use to be small owner of bkln and had to sell his part b/c of this agency, I think. I could have it wrong, I really dont remember it clear enough. I dont really remember because my only interest in the agency was because James Young signed with them when we drafted him.

But it's a partnership with CAA and they don't have a history of steering clients to specific teams.

Doesn't matter though. People are going to infer what they want into this.

Now that Kyrie is gone is it okay for us to criticize him....

what team did kyrie sign with?

He is not under contract with any team right now. So is it okay to be objective about him now?

Rofl. It’s really funny when a fan calls their opinion objective

Well? He is no longer a Celtic can we talk about him now?

Nobody is stopping you. There’s even a Kyrie complaint thread.

My take is Ainge got greedy and messed up a good thing by trading for the malcontent. Now his plan is up in smoke. Kyrie was never a true celtic. I say good riddance to Kyrie.

Look, you might be right. I was probably willing to overlook Kyrie's flaws because I wanted us to win.

I don't know that Ainge got greedy. The good thing was ruined by IT's hip anyway.

Good point.  I was against the Irving trade, and I'd still be against it if it were about all players at top health and ability.  But the severity of the Thomas injury makes that all moot.  Whether Ainge got greedy or not, or made the right move for the long term, is no longer relevant, because Thomas isn't Thomas.

He got greedy because Kyrie was never in the plan... the plan was to keep getting assets from New Jersey and then go in for the big splash. He got greedy spent the Brooklyn 1st IT and multiple players for the malcontent. Now the malcontent is going to Nets for nothing, zilch, nada, so this makes the Nets trade a little more even. Mean Cs pretty much 'gave' the Nets back one of their picks.

You're missing the fact that the Brooklyn first became pretty low value. A number 8 pick is not very special. I'd rather have 2 seasons of the malcontent than Collin Sexton. The people here who think Kyrie doesn't pass would gouge their eyes out with Sexton.

SGA was available....not arguing that the pick was as good we thought it would be...it was clearly less than we Celtics fans were fearing.  Wonder who Danny would have drafted at 8. 

[TheTruth34]

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Mentioned earlier but Michael Yormark, the President of ROC Nation is the twin brother of Nets CEO Brett Yormark.

Reading between the lines, but it really does feel like Kyrie is a goner now.

[gouki88]

Isn't ROC nation in deep with Brooklyn?

Jay-z is from Brooklyn. That's about it. They're clientele is pretty spread out.

jay-z use to be small owner of bkln and had to sell his part b/c of this agency, I think. I could have it wrong, I really dont remember it clear enough. I dont really remember because my only interest in the agency was because James Young signed with them when we drafted him.

But it's a partnership with CAA and they don't have a history of steering clients to specific teams.

Doesn't matter though. People are going to infer what they want into this.

Now that Kyrie is gone is it okay for us to criticize him....

what team did kyrie sign with?

He is not under contract with any team right now. So is it okay to be objective about him now?

Rofl. It’s really funny when a fan calls their opinion objective

Well? He is no longer a Celtic can we talk about him now?

Nobody is stopping you. There’s even a Kyrie complaint thread.

My take is Ainge got greedy and messed up a good thing by trading for the malcontent. Now his plan is up in smoke. Kyrie was never a true celtic. I say good riddance to Kyrie.

Look, you might be right. I was probably willing to overlook Kyrie's flaws because I wanted us to win.

I don't know that Ainge got greedy. The good thing was ruined by IT's hip anyway.

Good point.  I was against the Irving trade, and I'd still be against it if it were about all players at top health and ability.  But the severity of the Thomas injury makes that all moot.  Whether Ainge got greedy or not, or made the right move for the long term, is no longer relevant, because Thomas isn't Thomas.

He got greedy because Kyrie was never in the plan... the plan was to keep getting assets from New Jersey and then go in for the big splash. He got greedy spent the Brooklyn 1st IT and multiple players for the malcontent. Now the malcontent is going to Nets for nothing, zilch, nada, so this makes the Nets trade a little more even. Mean Cs pretty much 'gave' the Nets back one of their picks.

You're missing the fact that the Brooklyn first became pretty low value. A number 8 pick is not very special. I'd rather have 2 seasons of the malcontent than Collin Sexton. The people here who think Kyrie doesn't pass would gouge their eyes out with Sexton.

SGA was available....not arguing that the pick was as good we thought it would be...it was clearly less than we Celtics fans were fearing.  Wonder who Danny would have drafted at 8.

I get the feeling he would've selected Michael Porter Jr., or something crazy. I would have strongly disliked that

[nickagneta]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

That could mean something regarding Brooklyn. Or it could mean Kyrie, who already has ventured into acting, wants a company much more familiar with the entertainment industry and wants that agent to find him entertainment income. And now would be the exact time to make the move to that agency, regardless of who owns or who was affiliated with the agency, because Kyrie would want to pay that agency with commissions off his new contract.

[jpotter33]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

It doesn't matter the "when" but the "who" in this situation.

He doesn't "rep" Jay-Z lol Jay-Z just founded it and is (I believe) a part owner of the company. I think the Nets' president's brother is also a part owner or something like that, but that's literally the only connection there is with Brooklyn outside of them also repping Caris Levert, though that shouldn't matter more than any other player who has hired them.

It makes much more sense that Kyrie went with them for their other connections and endeavors, including with the entertainment industry. People are blowing the supposed Brooklyn connection way out of proportion lol Kyrie may go to Brooklyn, but I find it hard to believe that it was connected with this decision in any significant way.

[Ogaju]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

That could mean something regarding Brooklyn. Or it could mean Kyrie, who already has ventured into acting, wants a company much more familiar with the entertainment industry and wants that agent to find him entertainment income. And now would be the exact time to make the move to that agency, regardless of who owns or who was affiliated with the agency, because Kyrie would want to pay that agency with commissions off his new contract.

you really believe that or you are just hoping? Kyrie has not done one thing since Boston was eliminated from playoffs to point at him re-signing with Boston.

[nickagneta]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

That could mean something regarding Brooklyn. Or it could mean Kyrie, who already has ventured into acting, wants a company much more familiar with the entertainment industry and wants that agent to find him entertainment income. And now would be the exact time to make the move to that agency, regardless of who owns or who was affiliated with the agency, because Kyrie would want to pay that agency with commissions off his new contract.

you really believe that or you are just hoping? Kyrie has not done one thing since Boston was eliminated from playoffs to point at him re-signing with Boston.

I am not sure I believe it but it is definitely a real possibility. And I am neither hoping its true or not. I really haven't made my mind up regarding bringing Kyrie back. I don't want to just let a top 15 player in the league walk, but you really can't enter into contract negotiations hoping to sign Kyrie just so you can collect him as an "asset" in the hopes of moving him. So I am torn.

And there are so many moving parts and variables with how Danny can move forward that if we land Davis, I am not 100% sure this team couldn't be real good with a different PG but now having Davis in the middle. The Celtics could become a very different type of team that might still contend, if several things go very right(you get the right PG, Brown takes a leap forward, Hayward returns resembling something very close to Utah Gordon, etc.).

My mind hasn't fallen into the black and white lines some draw. I am more of a living in grey type of guy and want to see how things play out. Gotta keep your options open. That's what makes the most sense to me.

[CelticsElite]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

It doesn't matter the "when" but the "who" in this situation.

how many roc nation players play for Brooklyn

[jpotter33]

I might be wrong here but I think agents get paid off the percentage of a signed contract. Therefore, I think if Kyrie signed a deal while repped by his old firm, then fired that firm, I believe that firm still gets paid and Kyrie's new firm would need to rep him without getting that agent fee for the contract.

Which kind of means, that if a player wants a new agent, they are going to hire that agent just before that player needs a new contract negotiated so that new agent gets paid off that new contract.

I guess I am saying, if Kyrie was going to switch agents, that the timing makes complete sense.

Now, I might be wrong on this, but if I am not, then the timing of the switch to a new agent really may not mean anything.

Yeah but he picked ROC nation of all agents, who also reps Jay-Z from Brooklyn.

Coincidence I think not.

It doesn't matter the "when" but the "who" in this situation.

how many roc nation players play for Brooklyn

1 - Caris Levert.

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I think it's a bit shortsighted to think everyone who signs with Roc Nation is interested in going to Brooklyn Just because Jay-z is from there

Maybe kyrie is interested in the business and media off-the-court expertise that roc nation brings

I think the timing right now would be odd if it was only about off-court business and media.  Just weeks before signing an enormous basketball contract he wants to abandon an agency he previously trusted with that kind of stuff and wants to go through that process with a totally new agency?

See, I think the opposite. Kyrie is going to get a max contract and whatever he wants money-wise wherever he goes, so the basketball part is of less concern in that regard.

Roc Nation, on the other hand, has many other business ventures and connections, especially in the entertainment industry. I think it would make more sense for it to be about non-basketball stuff than basketball stuff, as why would you make this switch right now on the eve of free agency and not earlier if you were focused on the basketball side.

Actually this would be the time to switch since he had all of the financial leverage.  A new agent can come in now and undercut his current agent because that agent knows a big contract is about to be signed.  You see that kind of thing all the time in those type of industries.  Especially in a sport, like the NBA, where there isn't a whole lot of negotiation.  It is far more about the agent's cut than anything else when a free agent is concerned.  If the new agent takes even 1% less money that is a tremendous amount of money being put back into the player's pocket.

If this agency has all these extra connections and opportunities for Kyrie, plus they are doing it for 1% less commission, then this would be a no brainer move.  I get the feeling that's not the case.  It could be, but my gut tells me that's not what's going on.  With having zero actual knowledge on this, I'd imagine big name agencies with lots of connections typically charge a higher cut for their more premium services.

[nickagneta]

I think it's a bit shortsighted to think everyone who signs with Roc Nation is interested in going to Brooklyn Just because Jay-z is from there

Maybe kyrie is interested in the business and media off-the-court expertise that roc nation brings

I think the timing right now would be odd if it was only about off-court business and media.  Just weeks before signing an enormous basketball contract he wants to abandon an agency he previously trusted with that kind of stuff and wants to go through that process with a totally new agency?

See, I think the opposite. Kyrie is going to get a max contract and whatever he wants money-wise wherever he goes, so the basketball part is of less concern in that regard.

Roc Nation, on the other hand, has many other business ventures and connections, especially in the entertainment industry. I think it would make more sense for it to be about non-basketball stuff than basketball stuff, as why would you make this switch right now on the eve of free agency and not earlier if you were focused on the basketball side.

Actually this would be the time to switch since he had all of the financial leverage.  A new agent can come in now and undercut his current agent because that agent knows a big contract is about to be signed.  You see that kind of thing all the time in those type of industries.  Especially in a sport, like the NBA, where there isn't a whole lot of negotiation.  It is far more about the agent's cut than anything else when a free agent is concerned.  If the new agent takes even 1% less money that is a tremendous amount of money being put back into the player's pocket.

If this agency has all these extra connections and opportunities for Kyrie, plus they are doing it for 1% less commission, then this would be a no brainer move.  I get the feeling that's not the case.  It could be, but my gut tells me that's not what's going on.  With having zero actual knowledge on this, I'd imagine big name agencies with lots of connections typically charge a higher cut for their more premium services.

Got to remember, an NBA agent can only make a max of 4% on an NBA contract, but they can make upwards of 10-11% commission on endorsement deals and other non-NBA deals. So if ROC has a ton more connections in entertainment and can hook up Kyrie with some lucrative deals there that other agencies can't make happen, then they could easily make up the 1% discount given on the NBA deal.

[nickagneta]

People want to know why Kyrie has a new agent? Don't follow the connections to Brooklyn ownership....FOLLOW THE MONEY! Kyrie has a new agent because he thinks this agent can make him more money.