Woj: Brooklyn trades Crabbe and two 1sts to Atlanta for Prince and a 2nd

[NKY fan]

I wonder if Brooklyn are confident that Kyrie is signing with them and then have a bigger trade lined up.
I didn’t see the point to clear crabbes contract yet and the price they paid for him if they don’t have something else lined up. Only other instance of a team being that eager to clear cap space before the draft was Cleveland before Lebron went back there. Danny took advantage of it that time.

The way I see it : they have $46m of space >> use 32 on Kyrie while keeping some of their free agents cap holds like Ed Davis RHJ and most importantly Russel. >> Once Kyrie signs trade for Lebron using dinwiddie , Harris and Davis and RHJ. >> resign russel
This scenario is just as scary as is the scenario in which they sign Durant ..

That is a really terrible offer for LeBron though. If LA trade him (which they have shown no intention of wanting to do) they could get much better offers.

The lakers can do better but if Lebron forces his way to the nets .... it’s not a bad offer. Harris and dinwiddie are young and on great value contracts. Davis is ex laker and they liked him too. RHJ is a filler.
It’s not a very probable scenario but there were rumors that Lebron May want out of the lakers dysfunctional organization.
One unwritten rule in the NBA managment is if a player comes to you for free like Lebron did ( like Hayward and Horford did to the Celtics)
You don’t shop them around and see if you can send him to a crappy team that’s overpaying and not the team that the said player wants to go to.
In other words: you get an “asset for free” but don’t get to monetarize it because it’s a bad faith business practice and agents and their agents won’t do business with you in the future.

No matter what LeBron does, he cannot force a trade, especially with how dysfunctional the Lakers front office has been..

They are going to at least ask for something more than Dimwiddie/Harris. And most teams will presumably give up that for LeBron.

At worst, he's still 20/6/6 kind of guy.

I’m really conflicted on what Lebrons situation is.
On one hand he is assumed to be the most powerful player with his clutch agency and ties to different businesses and politicians if you want (Clinton campaigns from 2016)
On the other hand he is under contract with the lakers.
I do think he will have a MVP type of season next year. For some reason (medical advancements?) a lot of players have a resurgence at the age of 35. Remember KG went back to be an all star when he was 35/36.

[Moranis]

Well, if it’s Irving and Durant to Brooklyn, I get it and can see him moving there, though that’s clearly still not the best team in the East. I think they’re still behind both Toronto and Milwaukee and right there in that grouping with Philly, Boston, and Indiana, though likely the best of that group dependent upon what everyone else does.

Otherwise, what would make Brooklyn more desirable than Boston? Outside of him being spiteful at Boston and Brooklyn being a bigger market, it makes no sense for him to go there if he’s wanting to win.

And that’s why I’ll be fine moving on from Kyrie if he goes to one of the NYK teams by himself. All of his talk about staying here, wanting his name in the rafters, blah, blah, blah, will all prove to be just hollow talk, demonstrating that his head isn’t in the right place to begin with and he’s not the one to lead us to banner 18.

The Nets won 7 less games than Boston this year and that is with LeVert playing only 40 games.  Before his injury LeVert liked a real monster in the making.  Russell came into his own this year.  Allen looks like a real star in the making down low.  RHJ is 24, Dinwiddie just turned 26, and Harris is only 27.  They just added Prince who is 25.  There is a lot of young talent on that team.  More than Boston (though Tatum certainly has the highest ceiling, he isn't currently as good as Russell is right now).  Boston obviously has Horford and Hayward, but Hayward isn't back yet and may never be and Horford is getting old.  In other words, Irving might believe that the Nets are set up to win far longer than Boston is and he might not be wrong.

7 games is a real lot. We won 8 less than the warriors lol.

Yes, 7 games is a lot, but one team has Irving and one team does not.  Switch him and what happens.  Take Irving off the Celtics, do they win 42 games this year?  Put Irving on the Nets, how many games more than 42 do they win?

I am not a Kryie hater, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the answer here is in the negatives.  As we have learned this year, team chemistry is a real factor that is difficult to predict.  I don't know how well and Irving/Russel backcourt would work out.

But Kyrie doesn't think that way (no player does, this isn't meant as a slight, it is just what players think), which is the nature of my post i.e. why Irving might consider Brooklyn better than Boston (aside from location and spite).

[okiaaammm]

I think Brooklyn will have a very big boost at these offseason.

[Erik]

I’ve seen the line of logic posted here a few times that the Nets had almost as good a season as us so why not go there.

This is wrong for a few reasons:
1) The Nets didn't have to worry about minutes restrictions because there wasn't any expectation for them to matter in the playoffs.
2) It wasn’t the expected outcome. You’re talking about the max performance from the Nets and just about the worst outcome for the Celtics. It’s important that we stick to expected results instead of what actually happened to avoid results based logical fallacies (I flipped a coin 10 times and it came up heads 7 times, therefore heads (or tails, if you’re one of those “it’s about time” folks) is more likely on the next flip.

The two teams are incomparable in terms of talent by all metrics.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I’m good with either a youth movement building around Tatum/Brown or a Davis Trade and building around Brown/Davis. Either way we spin I’m about 75% sure Rozier will be the starting PG. I know everyone hates him, but he’s very talented he just has maturity issues that will iron out with the right vets around him. Regardless of what happens I strongly believe we need Rondo. If Smart is traded and unfortunately [dang] near every scenario I’ve came up with he gets traded, then we will need that vocal leadership.

If we trade for Davis, Rondo starts, Rozier gets heavy mins. If we don’t get Davis, Rozier starts and will get heavy mins.

I know y’all are afraid of Rozier, but he’s really special with the ball in his hands. He’s unique in the way he moves with the ball he is just going to have to raise his decision making. He’s young he supposed to make mistakes, but having Kyrie and IT as mentions is not what he needs. Those are guys who live off taking tough shots.

In conclusion my 2 teams I’d like are;
W/AD

PG:Rondo/Rozier
SG:Brown/Thybull
SF: Hayward/Jabari Parker/Semi
PF: Horford/Morris/
C: Davis/Williams 3/Baynes

W/O AD

PG: Rozier/Rondo
SG: Brown/M.Fultz
SF: Tatum/Thybulle/Semi/
PF: Horford/Hayward/Theis
C: Bamba/Williams 3/Baynes

Just what I’d like.

[Celtics4ever]

I doubt we bring Rondo back in after the way he quit on D, before he left...

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I doubt we bring Rondo back in after the way he quit on D, before he left...

He was very young. You live and you learn.

[Roy H.]

I doubt we bring Rondo back in after the way he quit on D, before he left...

He was very young. You live and you learn.

Well, he was 28.  That's not that young.

But worse, he hasn't played defense since.  That's one of the reasons that he's played for six teams in the past five seasons.  He's also ball dominant and head strong.