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Offline SHAQATTACK

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If Smart is our starting PG next season, we are in big trouble

i guess we ll go back to a 40 win team ,  play for 8 seed at best and be a top 10 lottery team .  No stars ....no chance in playoffs , regress post KG PP . 

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Sounds like the Nets are positioning themselves to sign Kyrie, S&T Russell to the Pelicans for AD, and then sign another guy.

They can't sign Russell until FA opens. AD will likely be traded on draft night. The timing doesn't work.


Unless the Pelicans decide they want Russell and they wait to trade AD until FA starts for that reason.

They'd have to really love Russell to 1) agree to pay him at or near max. 2) not get any draft compensation to sweeten the deal as Brooklyn just traded this year's pick and the rights to their 2020 pick to shed cap.

There's going to be better packages on the market.
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I am not sure the Nets have much of anything to offer for AD.

They are looking to add 2 max players (IMO it will be Kyrie and Butler) while keeping Russell.


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I am not sure the Nets have much of anything to offer for AD.

They are looking to add 2 max players (IMO it will be Kyrie and Butler) while keeping Russell.

I'm not 100% sure what Russell's cap hold is, but pretty sure they'd have to renounce him to get two max guys. Or they can resign him and add one max guy.
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I am not sure the Nets have much of anything to offer for AD.

They are looking to add 2 max players (IMO it will be Kyrie and Butler) while keeping Russell.

I'm not 100% sure what Russell's cap hold is, but pretty I'm sure they'd have to renounce him to get two max guys. Or they can resign him and add one max guy.

Think you might be right. I wish he would want to come to Boston....work out a S and T for him and Kyrie

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Billy King was playing the long game all along.

To screw the Celtics. He traded three unprotected firsts for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Now they have the Celtics right where they want them. They'll lose Kyrie and possibly Tatum and Brown to a major trade.


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Btw is anyone thinking that they might well be making a run at Kawhi? He's mentioned New York as a destination... They could be looking for Kawhi and Durant alongside Russell
They would need to trade dinwiddie and Harris and maybe more for no incoming salary for that to be possible. Also Durant had said about Kawhi that he’s a system player which Kawhi didn’t appreciate at all. I don’t see them teaming up.

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Irving annoyed the *Bleep* out of me in Cleveland, but no way did I ever wish he was off my team. For one, we would have to deal with him as an opponent within the conference. Secondly, superstars do not grow on trees.

Well, you know the old saying, be careful what you wish for. Many of you Boston fans wanted him gone, gonna get your wish. Basically, you lost your best weapon. Now, another team within the conference will get that weapon & more.

He has a lot of memories here, so he avoided playing us. I am sure he has Boston marked on his calendar and will have no issues coming back as an opponent to break "The Young Guys" ankles.

What a fall from grace for Boston, but most of it is self-inflicted. If he felt wanted here, I am certain he stays. Kyrie is a big domino whom affected many teams, notably NYK and Boston.

Players will go wherever another superstar goes. Kyrie is the superstar many may follow because he is somewhat of an odd cat who does his own thing.

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Irving annoyed the *Bleep* out of me in Cleveland, but no way did I ever wish he was off my team. For one, we would have to deal with him as an opponent within the conference. Secondly, superstars do not grow on trees.

Well, you know the old saying, be careful what you wish for. Many of you Boston fans wanted him gone, gonna get your wish. Basically, you lost your best weapon. Now, another team within the conference will get that weapon & more.

He has a lot of memories here, so he avoided playing us. I am sure he has Boston marked on his calendar and will have no issues coming back as an opponent to break "The Young Guys" ankles.

What a fall from grace for Boston, but most of it is self-inflicted. If he felt wanted here, I am certain he stays. Kyrie is a big domino whom affected many teams, notably NYK and Boston.

Players will go wherever another superstar goes. Kyrie is the superstar many may follow because he is somewhat of an odd cat who does his own thing.


It's weird to me that anybody would look at how the last year unfolded and conclude that it was *Boston* who pushed away *Kyrie* and not the other way round.
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I am not sure the Nets have much of anything to offer for AD.

They are looking to add 2 max players (IMO it will be Kyrie and Butler) while keeping Russell.

Kyrie and Russell don't make any sense together.
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If rozier is back on this team next year as the result of kyrie leaving I will be super angry.

If Rozier starts in place of brown or smart imma punch someones baby

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If Smart is our starting PG next season, we are in big trouble

i guess we ll go back to a 40 win team ,  play for 8 seed at best and be a top 10 lottery team .  No stars ....no chance in playoffs , regress post KG PP .



The Celts with Kyrie the last two years were 1st and 6th in defensive efficiency.


They're going to be a top 5 defense again next year.  Book it.


I believe Brad will find a way to put together an offense that is at least around league average despite Kyrie leaving, even if they don't trade for AD.


Top 5 defense plus league average offensive is too good for the team to end up around 40 wins.  They will be a 45-50 win team with a shot at winning a playoff series if their main guys are healthy.
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Well, if it’s Irving and Durant to Brooklyn, I get it and can see him moving there, though that’s clearly still not the best team in the East. I think they’re still behind both Toronto and Milwaukee and right there in that grouping with Philly, Boston, and Indiana, though likely the best of that group dependent upon what everyone else does.

Otherwise, what would make Brooklyn more desirable than Boston? Outside of him being spiteful at Boston and Brooklyn being a bigger market, it makes no sense for him to go there if he’s wanting to win.

And that’s why I’ll be fine moving on from Kyrie if he goes to one of the NYK teams by himself. All of his talk about staying here, wanting his name in the rafters, blah, blah, blah, will all prove to be just hollow talk, demonstrating that his head isn’t in the right place to begin with and he’s not the one to lead us to banner 18.

I thought about this, jp and posted about it in the Kyrie complaint thread. I always thought that of Boston, Brooklyn, NY and even the Lakers, Boston would have offered Kyrie the best chance to win now, in terms of assets both that we have and that we could get. Even if he teamed up with KD at the Nets or Knicks, would they still be a better team than Boston with him, AD, Hayward, Brown, Horford etc? I couldn't see them being better, I just don't think they have the personnel outside their Big 2 (both of whom have had their share of injuries over the years). If you look at things dispassionately I think the Celtics come out the logical team that offers the best chance to win now.

BUT...the two factors not associated to competitiveness I always thought might sway the decision would be a) how accepted he feels with the Celtics and the fans; and b) his chemistry with Brad Stevens and Brad's style of play.

Earlier in the season and through most of last season he was relatively well-received by the fans, and he said all the right things about wanting to be here, wanting to get his number retired, about the team's history, etc. But as the season deteriorated the fan perception of him just became more and more negative to the point where for most people his playoff flameout was unforgivable and he was the root cause of everything wrong with the team (certainly he bears his share of the blame as the leader but I don't think it's all his fault). Kyrie says he doesn't do social media but I think even he would find it hard not to feel all the hate and anger from the fanbase. Who wants to play for fans who hate you anyway?

The other thing is whether he feels that Brad's schemes and playing philosophy will get the best out of him. The team can move asset pieces around to build him the team he wants but if he feels there's incompatibility of lack of chemistry between him and Brad then it would make sense for him to move somewhere else where the style of play is more suitable to his skill set.
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Irving annoyed the *Bleep* out of me in Cleveland, but no way did I ever wish he was off my team. For one, we would have to deal with him as an opponent within the conference. Secondly, superstars do not grow on trees.

Well, you know the old saying, be careful what you wish for. Many of you Boston fans wanted him gone, gonna get your wish. Basically, you lost your best weapon. Now, another team within the conference will get that weapon & more.

He has a lot of memories here, so he avoided playing us. I am sure he has Boston marked on his calendar and will have no issues coming back as an opponent to break "The Young Guys" ankles.

What a fall from grace for Boston, but most of it is self-inflicted. If he felt wanted here, I am certain he stays. Kyrie is a big domino whom affected many teams, notably NYK and Boston.

Players will go wherever another superstar goes. Kyrie is the superstar many may follow because he is somewhat of an odd cat who does his own thing.


It's weird to me that anybody would look at how the last year unfolded and conclude that it was *Boston* who pushed away *Kyrie* and not the other way round.

It's weird to me that people can't at least see that side of events somewhat. The media really turned on him and a very vocal part of the fanbase did too.

Either way, it sucks. It sucks to be so close to pairing All-NBA talents in Kyrie and AD together for their primes (not on the backend like KG/Paul/Ray) and to have it all fall apart. I don't want to be a scrappy underdog that overachieves. That storyline was fun. But I want Banner 18.
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If Smart is our starting PG next season, we are in big trouble

i guess we ll go back to a 40 win team ,  play for 8 seed at best and be a top 10 lottery team .  No stars ....no chance in playoffs , regress post KG PP .



The Celts with Kyrie the last two years were 1st and 6th in defensive efficiency.


They're going to be a top 5 defense again next year.  Book it.


I believe Brad will find a way to put together an offense that is at least around league average despite Kyrie leaving, even if they don't trade for AD.


Top 5 defense plus league average offensive is too good for the team to end up around 40 wins.  They will be a 45-50 win team with a shot at winning a playoff series if their main guys are healthy.

6-8 seed or lotto will be in play if he leaves