Trade Rondo or not?

[BballTim]

You need 2 or 3 top 25 players on your team to be a contender, why would we trade the only one we have?

How do you get the other 1 or 2 with Rondo on the roster?

  It's always going to be the case that you'll be trying to acquire 1-2 with 1-2 on your roster.

well sure, but it also easier if you get at least one through the draft while still being bad enough to have a shot at 1 or 2 more.  Now I get that Boston acquired Rondo through the draft, but if he does come back healthy, I don't see Boston being in a position to get another one through the draft with him around, especially with how bad the conference is and appears it will be for at least the next couple of seasons.

   You're talking about stripping a team bare to the level that getting a top player won't cause them to be good, and then managing to get (and keep) multiple star players. That's probably less likely than adding to Rondo.

It may be, but I've yet to hear a viable plan building around Rondo with what Boston has now.

   Get a decent center, trade for an upgrade at either sf or sg. There you go, a viable plan.

But how do you get a decent center and the upgrade at the wing?

  Trades make the most sense. I doubt we have cap space any time soon. But it's possible Danny would get lucky in the draft as well.

[Fafnir]

You need 2 or 3 top 25 players on your team to be a contender, why would we trade the only one we have?

How do you get the other 1 or 2 with Rondo on the roster?

  It's always going to be the case that you'll be trying to acquire 1-2 with 1-2 on your roster.

well sure, but it also easier if you get at least one through the draft while still being bad enough to have a shot at 1 or 2 more.  Now I get that Boston acquired Rondo through the draft, but if he does come back healthy, I don't see Boston being in a position to get another one through the draft with him around, especially with how bad the conference is and appears it will be for at least the next couple of seasons.

   You're talking about stripping a team bare to the level that getting a top player won't cause them to be good, and then managing to get (and keep) multiple star players. That's probably less likely than adding to Rondo.

It may be, but I've yet to hear a viable plan building around Rondo with what Boston has now.

There is no viable plan by your standards, given your opinion of Rondo's talents.

Besides there are too many unknowns at the moment. Where does our draft pick end up, where does the Hawks/Nets combo pick end up, and what is available to trade for Rondo or whom to trade to play with Rondo.

[Moranis]

You need 2 or 3 top 25 players on your team to be a contender, why would we trade the only one we have?

How do you get the other 1 or 2 with Rondo on the roster?

  It's always going to be the case that you'll be trying to acquire 1-2 with 1-2 on your roster.

well sure, but it also easier if you get at least one through the draft while still being bad enough to have a shot at 1 or 2 more.  Now I get that Boston acquired Rondo through the draft, but if he does come back healthy, I don't see Boston being in a position to get another one through the draft with him around, especially with how bad the conference is and appears it will be for at least the next couple of seasons.

   You're talking about stripping a team bare to the level that getting a top player won't cause them to be good, and then managing to get (and keep) multiple star players. That's probably less likely than adding to Rondo.

It may be, but I've yet to hear a viable plan building around Rondo with what Boston has now.

There is no viable plan by your standards, given your opinion of Rondo's talents.

Besides there are too many unknowns at the moment. Where does our draft pick end up, where does the Hawks/Nets combo pick end up, and what is available to trade for Rondo or whom to trade to play with Rondo.

Boston won a title with a lesser version of Rondo.  Boston could certainly win a title with a better version of Rondo, it just needs a lot of help.

Frankly, I think this 3 team trade would make Boston a realistic contender and are at least reasonable deals for all teams involved.

Boston - Asik, Anthony (must opt in)
New York - Humphries, Green, 2014 Brooklyn 1st (top 5 protected), 2015 Boston 1st (top 3 protected), 2016 Brooklyn 1st (lottery protected)
Houston - Bass, Bradley, 2015 LA Clippers 1st

That leaves Boston

PG - Rondo, Crawford
SG - Lee, Crawford
SF - Anthony, Wallace
PF - Sullinger, Olynyk
C - Asik, Faverani

That team would be a realistic contender.  Not sure it would ultimately get by both Indiana and Miami or the western team, but it would certainly have a shot.  The trades obviously eliminate a lot of Boston's assets, but it would probably be worth it depending on what you thought of Anthony.

[CoachBo]

Not now - and I'm certainly not going to be confused with Tim when it comes to Rondo and his clear limitations.

We are - in my view - further down the rebuilding road than I ever would have suspected at this point.

I'd rather try to add pieces to the assets we have now - a rim-guarder at the 5, perhaps a scorer at the 2 if we can get what we need - and move into the future drafts with Rondo, if he comes back and adapts his game to the current situation.

I liked the Asik move, and I'm good with Bynum if he still wants to play and he can be acquired in a low-risk deal.

I would be every bit as much concerned, if not more than Bynum, about whether Anthony wants to win more than he wants to score, or defend. But, he fits the bill of what this group would need at the 2 if he truly wants to win, so that's a legitimate call to make.

[BballTim]

Not now - and I'm certainly not going to be confused with Tim when it comes to Rondo and his clear limitations.

   Haha. Yes, Rondo has limitations. His faults as a player are probably the most widely discussed in the league, yet people continually think they're somehow ahead of the curve when they point them out.

[celticmania]

Rondo is a good defender if he tries but i havent seen urgency or effort from him On defense since 2011... I noticed that he stopped playing defense after he became a star and when he didnt have to play defense to get minutes

[kozlodoev]

Rondo is a good defender if he tries but i havent seen urgency or effort from him On defense since 2011... I noticed that he stopped playing defense after he became a star and when he didnt have to play defense to get minutes

That, or he figured out he can't keep that pace on both ends of the floor for 38 minutes per game, 82 games a year. Bradley seems to have figured that one the hard way recently, too.

I'd love it if we can keep Rondo down to 33 mpg, so that he can give us full effort on both ends.

[MBunge]

Rondo is a good defender if he tries but i havent seen urgency or effort from him On defense since 2011... I noticed that he stopped playing defense after he became a star and when he didnt have to play defense to get minutes

That, or he figured out he can't keep that pace on both ends of the floor for 38 minutes per game, 82 games a year. Bradley seems to have figured that one the hard way recently, too.

I'd love it if we can keep Rondo down to 33 mpg, so that he can give us full effort on both ends.

Chris Paul has a career average of about 36 minutes a game and I don't believe anyone's every accused him of dogging it on defense.

Rondo not pressuring opposing guards all the way up the court is one thing.  Rondo making absolutely no effort to fight over or otherwise disrupt pick-n-rolls, especially when the other point guard is lighting up the scoreboard, is something else.  Rondo isn't a lazy defender and he doesn't cheat too much and break defensive schemes, but there are too many times when he's not comitted to being the best defender he can be.

Mike

[celticmania]

Rondo is a good defender if he tries but i havent seen urgency or effort from him On defense since 2011... I noticed that he stopped playing defense after he became a star and when he didnt have to play defense to get minutes

That, or he figured out he can't keep that pace on both ends of the floor for 38 minutes per game, 82 games a year. Bradley seems to have figured that one the hard way recently, too.

I'd love it if we can keep Rondo down to 33 mpg, so that he can give us full effort on both ends.

Chris Paul has a career average of about 36 minutes a game and I don't believe anyone's every accused him of dogging it on defense.

Rondo not pressuring opposing guards all the way up the court is one thing.  Rondo making absolutely no effort to fight over or otherwise disrupt pick-n-rolls, especially when the other point guard is lighting up the scoreboard, is something else.  Rondo isn't a lazy defender and he doesn't cheat too much and break defensive schemes, but there are too many times when he's not comitted to being the best defender he can be.

Mike

I agree

[BballTim]

Rondo is a good defender if he tries but i havent seen urgency or effort from him On defense since 2011... I noticed that he stopped playing defense after he became a star and when he didnt have to play defense to get minutes

That, or he figured out he can't keep that pace on both ends of the floor for 38 minutes per game, 82 games a year. Bradley seems to have figured that one the hard way recently, too.

I'd love it if we can keep Rondo down to 33 mpg, so that he can give us full effort on both ends.

Chris Paul has a career average of about 36 minutes a game and I don't believe anyone's every accused him of dogging it on defense.

  Chris Paul played 36 minutes a game as a rookie. It's not like you'd have noticed a dropoff as his role on offense increased, he always had a large role on offense. If Paul's a better defender than Rondo the difference is slight. They both have plenty of accolades and I'd bet most metrics would favor Rondo by a decent margin. Is the thinking that Rondo's so superior on defense to CP that Paul's best effort is similar to Rondo frequently coasting? If not, it's likely CP doesn't go all out on defense all the time.