With the Brad Stevens hire, why is Rondo automatically GONE?

[sunnyd656]

Some of you guys crack me up.  I can't believe what I'm reading.  Or actually, I guess I can.

People seem to be insinuating that Stevens is already a better nba coach than Doc.  And that Rondos stubbornness and immaturity is somehow make believe.  NBA teams are not and should not be a democracy.  The coach needs to be the leader and players need to buy in.  Star players need to support their coach else everything falls apart.

People talking about rondo like he's too good to be coached or that he's learned all he needs to learn.  No, the problem is that he THINKS he's learned all be needs to learn.  He's basically immature.  At one point or another every member of the big three wanted to bounce him against the wall.

So sure, it is possible that rondo and Stevens get along perfectly and never get at odds.  But it is more likely that rondo will be rondo and cause headaches for the new coach.  That doesn't necessarily mean that Stevens won't be able to last or that rondo must go.  But people supporting rondos immaturity and pretending like its  good thing is completely off base.

The only reasoning behind your argument is that Rondo "THINKS he's learned all be needs to learn.  He's basically immature." Should I be surprised that yet another anti-Rondo post uses nothing but wild assumptions to base their arguments around/

He got to it before I did.

I think it's telling when Rondo haters only have assumptions to base their arguments off of.

I lol'd at this.

First, none of us are in the locker room or around these players on a regular basis.  I think we can all agree on that.  But to say I'm making assumptions, well that's just not accurate.  I am making staments based in reports (and what I see with my own eyes on the court).  I'm sorry but that's not assuming.  Simply using the logic that where there is smoke there is fire.

So if your defense is going to be, I don't know because I'm not there, well then you've got me.  But if people use common sense, and are open to the idea that the Celtic players crap gold bars, then people should be able to make judgements even of they aren't there.  I would argue that the sentiment that I don't know because I'm not there is more weak than making judgements based on evidence.

I have never read any report in my life that says that Rondo thinks he's good enough where he doesn't have to learn more. From all the accounts I've heard of, Rondo and Doc frequently got into disagreements, but bounced ideas off each other and both walked away with a heightened understanding of the topic of discussion. That doesn't sound like a guy who's closed his ears off to people who disagree with him.

Well, I wasn't referring to reports.  I was responding to posters on this thread saying that rondo knew more than Doc.

Makes sense.

[Celtics4ever]

He is not automatically gone.

I have seen both Rondo and Doc play PG.   Rondo has a much higher basketball IQ than Doc ever had.   He sees the court better.   Doc was an above average PG, Rondo is a good PG.  This has nothing to do with Stevens. 

I don't know how many have worked under people who you knew more than, I had that a lot in service.  Usually, I could get it to work by showing them and allowing them to take credit for it.   I didn't care as long as it made my job easier.   I think RR hands down has a better basketball IQ than Doc.   

Just look at their assists totals.

Doc had 4889 assists in 15 seasons.

Rondo has 3843 in seven seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/riverdo01.html

RR sees the court better and don't try to tell me Doc didn't player with scorers.  He has Dominique and Pat Ewing.

[BballTim]

However, Rondo isn't necessarily known as a guy who buys in.  He's been known to give his coaches a hard time at every level he's played.  He reportedly was a vocal dissenter in the locker room, allegedly leading a mini-mutiny by the younger players a couple of seasons ago.

  He called a team meeting to address a rift between a few of the older players and many of the younger players.

[Fafnir]

However, Rondo isn't necessarily known as a guy who buys in.  He's been known to give his coaches a hard time at every level he's played.  He reportedly was a vocal dissenter in the locker room, allegedly leading a mini-mutiny by the younger players a couple of seasons ago.

  He called a team meeting to address a rift between a few of the older players and many of the younger players.

Which turned into a mini-mutiny according to the reports I read, meeting didn't go well.

[Sketch5]

However, Rondo isn't necessarily known as a guy who buys in.  He's been known to give his coaches a hard time at every level he's played.  He reportedly was a vocal dissenter in the locker room, allegedly leading a mini-mutiny by the younger players a couple of seasons ago.

  He called a team meeting to address a rift between a few of the older players and many of the younger players.

Which turned into a mini-mutiny according to the reports I read, meeting didn't go well.

But who had the issues. Its funny how two of the oldest on the team, KG and PP never seemed to want him gone. Also Hung out with him during the off season. Even this year when they were spotted getting on a plan together after the season. Rondo also went Toe to Toe in KGs defense against Humphreies.

Maybe two of the ones that had issues with what Rondo wanted for the team left for Miami last season and LA this...

[rondoallaturca]

I have never read any report in my life that says that Rondo thinks he's good enough where he doesn't have to learn more. From all the accounts I've heard of, Rondo and Doc frequently got into disagreements, but bounced ideas off each other and both walked away with a heightened understanding of the topic of discussion. That doesn't sound like a guy who's closed his ears off to people who disagree with him.

Well, I wasn't referring to reports.  I was responding to posters on this thread saying that rondo knew more than Doc.

Lol.

[BballTim]

However, Rondo isn't necessarily known as a guy who buys in.  He's been known to give his coaches a hard time at every level he's played.  He reportedly was a vocal dissenter in the locker room, allegedly leading a mini-mutiny by the younger players a couple of seasons ago.

  He called a team meeting to address a rift between a few of the older players and many of the younger players.

Which turned into a mini-mutiny according to the reports I read, meeting didn't go well.

  A mutiny against who? Ray and Paul? One might wonder what they were doing to the team that so many players felt they needed to "mutiny" against.

[clover]

However, Rondo isn't necessarily known as a guy who buys in.  He's been known to give his coaches a hard time at every level he's played.  He reportedly was a vocal dissenter in the locker room, allegedly leading a mini-mutiny by the younger players a couple of seasons ago.

  He called a team meeting to address a rift between a few of the older players and many of the younger players.

Which turned into a mini-mutiny according to the reports I read, meeting didn't go well.

  A mutiny against who? Ray and Paul? One might wonder what they were doing to the team that so many players felt they needed to "mutiny" against.

I got sick of hearing so much about "the big three", as if the rest of the players were incidental to the team--I can only imagine bhow much it grated for Rondo and some of the other young guys.

But you can hear how much of a snot Rondo is with the sneering contempt he spews to reporters just trying to do their jobs.  I don't think that kind of condescension can be turned on and off easily.

[timpiker]

He's not automatically gone - its just writers and talkers trying to make a statment when they know nothing - the other night I watched Dan Shuannessey (sp/) making an ass of himself like he's knows anything.

[BballTim]

But you can hear how much of a snot Rondo is with the sneering contempt he spews to reporters just trying to do their jobs.  I don't think that kind of condescension can be turned on and off easily.

  That's a tad bit over-dramatic.

[Celtics4ever]

A lot of these Anti Rondo stuff is fiction, Doc has said it was not a big deal.