Jeff Green Really Didn't have a bad half year with the C's

[nickagneta]

Nevermind winning winning a title, but when was the last time an uptempo running style made it deep in the playoffs? Half court basketball wins in the NBA playoffs. I never understood people's desire to have a young uptempo team. They dont win in this lleague.

[Chris]

Nevermind winning winning a title, but when was the last time an uptempo running style made it deep in the playoffs? Half court basketball wins in the NBA playoffs. I never understood people's desire to have a young uptempo team. They dont win in this lleague.

Well, I think it depends on what you consider up tempo.  I think teams that try to cover deficiencies (particularly defensive ones) by speeding up the pace have not had much success, however, without looking at the numbers, I believe plenty of teams who run more than the average NBA team have gone deep into the playoffs.

Ultimately, I just don't think you can ride a system too deep into the playoffs.  It can win you some regular season games, and even a round or two, but when it comes to the conference finals and the finals, the most talented and most complete teams always seem to be at the top.

[CaptainJackLee]

The Suns made the conference Finals just 2 years ago.

Quality basketball - especially defense and rebounding - wins, regardless of the tempo at which it is played. The problem is that it's difficult to find personnel to build a very fast team that can still be good defensively. Especially bigs, guys like Garnett are rare.

Jeff Green was pretty awful. Poor defensively, poor rebounding wise, very mediocre offensively. He's nothing more than a role-player, but even in that capacity he was very subpar.

[mmmmm]

Nevermind winning winning a title, but when was the last time an uptempo running style made it deep in the playoffs? Half court basketball wins in the NBA playoffs. I never understood people's desire to have a young uptempo team. They dont win in this lleague.

I think what you want is up-tempo _offense_ but half-court _defense_.

The highest percentage shots happen in transition, before a defense is set.   You want to get the ball down the court quickly and attack the hoop with a high-percentage shot.  The more efficient you are at putting the ball in the hoop on a possession, the more often your opponent has to bring the ball in from out of bounds - this in turn helps you get back on defense so that you can force _them_ to play half-court and thus hopefully take a lower-percentage outside shot.

All that said, in the playoffs, opposing teams often are much better and harder to run on and you simply _half_ to be able to play half court offense effectively because they will force you to.   When the games get close and the clock is ticking, that is how the game is played.

So while the desire is strong for being able to run on offense and there's nothing wrong with that, nick is correct that ultimately you still _have_ to be effective playing half court ball.

[ScoobyDoo]

The Lakers of the 80's = uptempo to me
The Celtics of the 80's = uptempo to me
The MJ Bulls teams = uptempo to me

Those three teams could execute in the half court but they could ALSO kill you on the break when the opportunity presented itself.

I'm not saying let's get a bunch of guys who are 20 years old and just run around for 48 minutes.

Our current team, with it's core players well into their 30's is successful but slow.....

I'm talking about a younger, more opportunistic Celtics team who can obviously play a half court offensive set - but who can also actually get out on the break with Rondo "when" the opportunity arises and crush you with some easy baskets.

Many times it is such a chore for our current team to score if we are not clicking or executing well in the half court.



 

   

[Celtics4ever]

You will continue to see the pattern of athletic players - regardless of position - be dominant in Ainge's picks and trades. The re-builidng is already upon us.

I've always thought Danny don't draft by position.  He drafts players who can play even if they have obvious faults.   Big Baby lacks height, Rondo has a poor shot, etc.

[BASS_THUMPER]

You will continue to see the pattern of athletic players - regardless of position - be dominant in Ainge's picks and trades. The re-builidng is already upon us.

I've always thought Danny don't draft by position.  He drafts players who can play even if they have obvious faults.   Big Baby lacks height, Rondo has a poor shot, etc.

wow...

talkin bout rondo's minuses and have not been attacked yet

you must have friends here..

[bfrombleacher]

Green has been playing the odd one out for his career: an out-of-position PF (while also having to be behind a very score first PG and an incredibly talented superstar) in OKC and a mid-season newcomer in green (having to work with 3 great HOFers and a very established system in the Celtics on and off the court). Keeping this in mind, I still have a fair amount of hope in Green.

[Celtics4ever]

I love Rondo and think he is a excellent player for us.   I love his basketball IQ and passing but anyone would be a fool to say he is a jump shooter.

[Interceptor]

Rondo isn't even really a bad jump shooter in general... it's the long jumpers and the free throws that are the problem. The second is the worst, since it makes him afraid to get fouled.

[Celtics4ever]

Lucky for him, shooting is a skill not God Given.  I think he has improved slightly each year.   Jason Kidd was the same way.

[TA9]

Rondo isn't even really a bad jump shooter in general... it's the long jumpers and the free throws that are the problem. The second is the worst, since it makes him afraid to get fouled.

I dont really think that he is afraid of shooting free throws. If you notice, Rondo is more than often getting slammed a lot when driving to the basket.

[gar]

Jeff Green could take over a game in college. Playing with Durant he lost that ability. The C's are asking him to be the payer they lusted after coming out of college.

[moiso]

Green has been playing the odd one out for his career: an out-of-position PF (while also having to be behind a very score first PG and an incredibly talented superstar) in OKC and a mid-season newcomer in green (having to work with 3 great HOFers and a very established system in the Celtics on and off the court). Keeping this in mind, I still have a fair amount of hope in Green.

Only odd ones can play the odd one out.  Green is an odd one.

[bfrombleacher]

Green has been playing the odd one out for his career: an out-of-position PF (while also having to be behind a very score first PG and an incredibly talented superstar) in OKC and a mid-season newcomer in green (having to work with 3 great HOFers and a very established system in the Celtics on and off the court). Keeping this in mind, I still have a fair amount of hope in Green.

Only odd ones can play the odd one out.  Green is an odd one.

That's...deep? lol