The best thing about today for the C'S......... LA and Cleveland make no moves!!

[goCeltics]

is that month waiting from the time they are traded or released but?

think it's post trade

[cordobes]

is that month waiting from the time they are traded or released but?

think it's post trade

Yeps, check my post.

Anyway:

Former Cav Joe Smith, who was traded to the Hornets before the deal was rescinded Wednesday, is expected to seek a buyout from the Thunder within the next week. Though reports have indicated the Boston Celtics will pursue Smith, a league source said if Smith can get a buyout, he will consider the Cavs. In December, Smith said he'd have interest in going back to Cleveland if he became a free agent.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/02/nba_trade_deadline_over_but_se.html

[cool breeze]

Did LA move Chris Mimn?

Not trying to change direction here, but thought this was interesting enough to add on to the question posed in case you hadn't seen it:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/sports/basketball/Lakers_Fight_in_Practice_Los_Angeles.html

I hope the C's end up with Joe Smith, but in the interim it will be interesting what Scal, Gabe, and Walker might be able to add to the mix.

[goCeltics]

ok my guess of the numbers is this, cav's have the MLE left minus what they signed jackson for which was 450k, they have around 5.2 million left. cos of the date, say joe smith signs on feb 25, ~45 days past jan 10, the value of the MLE would be reduced by 45/180 25%, so the number for this year they could sign him to would be 75% of the 5.2 million which would be ~3.9 million. Now he wouldn't get paid all the 3.9 million because it would be pro rated, so he'll end up with 25/82 * 3.9 = ~1.2 million for this year. However from that year I believe they would be able to offer him 8% raises, each year, of the 3.9 million dollar figure for 5 years, if they wished

On feb 25th, our MLE would be worth around 1.7 million, which he would only get paid i think a prorated portion. Anyways no use thinking about all this, bottom line is that the cavs can offer lots more money than the c's, if they are willing to have him on the books for a while.

[wahz]

this is almost surreal if the cavs got no one..IF...don't want to jinx it

Rumor has it that the Cavs are going to bid heavily for Joe Smith.  That's going to suck, big time, when we end up with Mikki Moore, who is an inferior player.

do they have more money to offer? when you say "bid heavily" what exactly are you referring to?

Yes. They have a lot left of their MLE. Plus - Smith was on their team last year and knows the system. The way I see it, if he can choose between Boston and Cleveland. He'll go to Cleveland. More money to offer and more benefits in Cleveland.

what about that report that he wanted to come to Boston....I knew CLE was going to screw something up for us!!!

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

[bruinsandceltics]

If Joe Smith gets a buy out, he is coming to Boston. KG has him in his back pocket.

[winsomme]

this is almost surreal if the cavs got no one..IF...don't want to jinx it

Rumor has it that the Cavs are going to bid heavily for Joe Smith.  That's going to suck, big time, when we end up with Mikki Moore, who is an inferior player.

do they have more money to offer? when you say "bid heavily" what exactly are you referring to?

Yes. They have a lot left of their MLE. Plus - Smith was on their team last year and knows the system. The way I see it, if he can choose between Boston and Cleveland. He'll go to Cleveland. More money to offer and more benefits in Cleveland.

what about that report that he wanted to come to Boston....I knew CLE was going to screw something up for us!!!

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

[bruinsandceltics]

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

Holy Overratedness, Smith is a good depth player but he isn't that much better than Mikki Moore. Plus they are two different players. Moore is more of a defender while Smith is a shooter.

[winsomme]

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

Holy Overratedness, Smith is a good depth player but he isn't that much better than Mikki Moore. Plus they are two different players. Moore is more of a defender while Smith is a shooter.

all i'm saying is there is a ripple effect to CLE signing him and not us. don't forget how good Joe was for CLE last year.

we're trying to replace three players from last years bench: Posey, PJ and Sam

Smith coming here replaces PJ and weakens CLE simultaneously. maybe it's not a huge difference, but often playoff series on small things.

think about that shot PJ hit.

[bruinsandceltics]

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

Holy Overratedness, Smith is a good depth player but he isn't that much better than Mikki Moore. Plus they are two different players. Moore is more of a defender while Smith is a shooter.

all i'm saying is there is a ripple effect to CLE signing him and not us. don't forget how good Joe was for CLE last year.

we're trying to replace three players from last years bench: Posey, PJ and Sam

Smith coming here replaces PJ and weakens CLE simultaneously. maybe it's not a huge difference, but often playoff series on small things.

think about that shot PJ hit.

Actually it doesn't weaken Cleveland at all. He hasn't played for them this year.

[greg683x]

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

Holy Overratedness, Smith is a good depth player but he isn't that much better than Mikki Moore. Plus they are two different players. Moore is more of a defender while Smith is a shooter.

all i'm saying is there is a ripple effect to CLE signing him and not us. don't forget how good Joe was for CLE last year.

we're trying to replace three players from last years bench: Posey, PJ and Sam

Smith coming here replaces PJ and weakens CLE simultaneously. maybe it's not a huge difference, but often playoff series on small things.

think about that shot PJ hit.

I see what youre saying, but you cant really count us getting Joe Smith as a subtraction against Cleveland.  I agree that Joe Smith was big for Cleveland last year, but I would think that the aquisition of Mo Williams at the VERY LEAST offsets the loss of Joe Smith.

I will say this though.  Everyone wants to put Cleveland over the top on us this year b/c we barely beat them last year, and now they have Mo Williams, but lots of people forget how badly Ray Allen was slumping in that series.  Wally was argueably a more productive player for them than Ray was for us in that series.  I have a real hard time believing Ray would be that ineffective again against Cleveland

[Roy Hobbs]

Honestly if you would have told me the worst thing that would happen today was that Cle would blow their trade opps and because of that they would make sure THEY got Smith instead of us, Smith who will then get hardly any play in Cle, meanwhile we would get Mikki Moore a defensive minded 7 footer who runs the floor well and has a decent mid range jumper, and we would have room to add a shooter, I would have said "funny stuff, what really happened?"

I hear what you're saying...with names like RJeff and Jamison being thrown around.

but three points:

1. like you mentioned, Smith going to CLE really takes away the best option out there for the Cs. Mikki IMO is a big step down from Smith.

2. Smith was a key player for them in the playoffs, so i would expect a similar contribution this year given that the personnel is about the same.

3. Our bench is weaker than last year and by clearing two roster spots, it now appears that Danny is well aware of this too. So how are we really going to fill those holes now?

Holy Overratedness, Smith is a good depth player but he isn't that much better than Mikki Moore. Plus they are two different players. Moore is more of a defender while Smith is a shooter.

all i'm saying is there is a ripple effect to CLE signing him and not us. don't forget how good Joe was for CLE last year.

we're trying to replace three players from last years bench: Posey, PJ and Sam

Smith coming here replaces PJ and weakens CLE simultaneously. maybe it's not a huge difference, but often playoff series on small things.

think about that shot PJ hit.

I see what youre saying, but you cant really count us getting Joe Smith as a subtraction against Cleveland.  I agree that Joe Smith was big for Cleveland last year, but I would think that the aquisition of Mo Williams at the VERY LEAST offsets the loss of Joe Smith.

I will say this though.  Everyone wants to put Cleveland over the top on us this year b/c we barely beat them last year, and now they have Mo Williams, but lots of people forget how badly Ray Allen was slumping in that series.  Wally was argueably a more productive player for them than Ray was for us in that series.  I have a real hard time believing Ray would be that ineffective again against Cleveland

True, although by that logic, Lebron shot terribly in that series (especially in the first two games, as I recall) and should be better next time the teams meet, as well.