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Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2011, 01:03:38 PM »

Offline snively

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I think Moore is goign to be a pretty good bench contributer...obviously once pietrus comes hell be relegated to the bench, but the kid makes smart decisions and can SHOOT

something avery cant do.

It's not the shooting that's held Avery back thus far (although it hasn't helped).  It's that he can't dribble well enough to do anything with the ball.

This is Moore's biggest advantage in the competition for minutes.  He can handle the ball.
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Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2011, 02:32:35 PM »

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I'm really tired of seeing our perimeter players being left wide open and no one giving them the ball. This was true as soon as Moore came in, he was open the whole game and no one gave him a single pass. And he's not alone in this.

A lot of this has to do with the desire to establish some sort of post game.  We spent a lot of time trying to get KG, Daniels and even Bass to establish post position and seal for the pass.  Instead of quickly reversing the ball weakside, the ball-handler (Rondo or Dooling) would just wait for the post player.

I agree that's the reason, but my problem is that Rondo and whomever are too focused on making that their #1 option, that by the time our players have established position, Ray has been running around freeing himself from his defender, but often being ignored by our point guards and now we have 10 seconds left on the clock, and nothing has happened other than Rondo dribbling the ball at the top of the key. KG didn't get good position, so now what does he do? OK, let's pass it to Ray, but the moment he freed himself from his defender is longed passed. So we end up with an easily defended mess.

Decisions have to be made quicker if anything.

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #107 on: December 30, 2011, 02:38:59 PM »

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I want to play too.

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2011, 02:39:50 PM »

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I'm really tired of seeing our perimeter players being left wide open and no one giving them the ball. This was true as soon as Moore came in, he was open the whole game and no one gave him a single pass. And he's not alone in this.

A lot of this has to do with the desire to establish some sort of post game.  We spent a lot of time trying to get KG, Daniels and even Bass to establish post position and seal for the pass.  Instead of quickly reversing the ball weakside, the ball-handler (Rondo or Dooling) would just wait for the post player.

I agree that's the reason, but my problem is that Rondo and whomever are too focused on making that their #1 option, that by the time our players have established position, Ray has been running around freeing himself from his defender, but often being ignored by our point guards and now we have 10 seconds left on the clock, and nothing has happened other than Rondo dribbling the ball at the top of the key. KG didn't get good position, so now what does he do? OK, let's pass it to Ray, but the moment he freed himself from his defender is longed passed. So we end up with an easily defended mess.

Decisions have to be made quicker if anything.

If the offensive gameplan becomes to look for the 3 off of screens primarily, we're going to lose a lot of basketball games. Too unreliable of a shot. Usually the play the team is running is going to call for the PG to look to get the ball inside for a high percentage shot. We have to get near the basket, not shoot threes.

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #109 on: December 30, 2011, 02:43:59 PM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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I'm really tired of seeing our perimeter players being left wide open and no one giving them the ball. This was true as soon as Moore came in, he was open the whole game and no one gave him a single pass. And he's not alone in this.

A lot of this has to do with the desire to establish some sort of post game.  We spent a lot of time trying to get KG, Daniels and even Bass to establish post position and seal for the pass.  Instead of quickly reversing the ball weakside, the ball-handler (Rondo or Dooling) would just wait for the post player.

I agree that's the reason, but my problem is that Rondo and whomever are too focused on making that their #1 option, that by the time our players have established position, Ray has been running around freeing himself from his defender, but often being ignored by our point guards and now we have 10 seconds left on the clock, and nothing has happened other than Rondo dribbling the ball at the top of the key. KG didn't get good position, so now what does he do? OK, let's pass it to Ray, but the moment he freed himself from his defender is longed passed. So we end up with an easily defended mess.

Decisions have to be made quicker if anything.

If the offensive gameplan becomes to look for the 3 off of screens primarily, we're going to lose a lot of basketball games. Too unreliable of a shot. Usually the play the team is running is going to call for the PG to look to get the ball inside for a high percentage shot. We have to get near the basket, not shoot threes.

It's not about shooting the 3. Is about making the defense react, to move the ball, to have player movement. You pass the ball to an open perimeter player, maybe the person who's helping pack the middle to stop Rondo's penetration, while at the same time preventing our bigs to get good position, gets distracted by the perimeter threat so we can then move the ball inside.

The problem is that the reasoning behind our offense is, well if getting inside is our first option, then it should be our first pass. I disagree with that sentiment.

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2011, 02:53:38 PM »

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The reality of the Celtic offense in the last couple of seasons is that it has gotten increasingly stagnant and erratic because the team stubbonly looks to make certain plays instead of just taking what the defense gives them.  Doc or Rondo decide the team is going to do "X" and that's the only thing they try to do, regardless of what the defense is doing or what other opportunities present themselves.

Mike

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2011, 03:00:07 PM »

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The reality of the Celtic offense in the last couple of seasons is that it has gotten increasingly stagnant and erratic because the team stubbonly looks to make certain plays instead of just taking what the defense gives them.  Doc or Rondo decide the team is going to do "X" and that's the only thing they try to do, regardless of what the defense is doing or what other opportunities present themselves.

Mike

I say, let's throw the playbook into the fire, and let Rondo improvise. Should be fun at least.

Re: Etwuan wants to play
« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2011, 03:13:19 PM »

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Am I the only guy who doesn't care what a guy tweets, re-tweets, or posts?

The guy was probably reading ESPN and saw that someone said he should have been given PT. I'm sure Doc looks at this as a kid eager to prove his worth, which to me is a good thing.

Rondo used to reveal some interesting things with his posts on Yardbarker and nobody made a peep.

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