Can A Person Be In A "Setting Up the Offense" Slump?

[barefacedmonk]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

[Celtics18]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

Start him at point guard over Rondo.

[Megatron]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

Stop playing him at the 4 spot, use him strickly at the 3, and run plays for him. He is the best player on the second unit, and the 5th best player on the team, theres no reason he shouldnt touch the ball everytime down the court when hes out there with the second team.

I know we dont run our offense through one guy, and that we belive in ball movement above all else, but Green will have an advantage at the 3 spot most nights due to his length and skill when playing vs second unit 3's from the opposing team.

We need to go to him just like the when Odom takes over as soon as he comes in. Green needs to be developed into a "weapon" that comes in, has the potential to get us 15-20 points a night and I believe he can especially when playing vs. second units.

But these games where he is continualy ignored on offense due to either his teammates not getting him the ball, or him not demanding it need to stop.

[Celtics18]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

Stop playing him at the 4 spot, use him strickly at the 3, and run plays for him. He is the best player on the second unit, and the 5th best player on the team, theres no reason he shouldnt touch the ball everytime down the court when hes out there with the second team.

I think Doc fully plans to use him at the 3 more.  Unfortunately, due to our big man injuries lately, he's been forced to use him at the 4 more out of necessity.

[BballTim]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

Start him at point guard over Rondo.

  Yes, he'd be perfect. He's a decent outside shooter. That's all you need to get the offense going in the right direction.

[European NBA fan]

Doc said that Rondo is in a slump (it's on the front page too).  I understand being in a shooting slump (he's been in a shooting slump his whole career ). But what about setting up the offense?  Can you be in a slump where you forget how to set up the offense?  Shooting slumps usually don't stop players from producing in other parts of their game, like passing, rebounding and defending.  Why can't Rondo continue to set up the offense, drive and dish, and play defense?  

Can someone explain to me how he can be in that kind of slump?  Especially when Doc says he's not injured.

I actually think it's a shooting slump that effects his game overall. When he doesn't hit the lay-ups, he will be hesitant with penetrating, which is an important part of his game.

[jambr380]

I actually consider Rondo's assist average to be a bit of a joke. Rondo is a great passer, but his assist numbers are padded because he often passes on easy shots to pass to guys with harder or equal shots.

On the other hand, I expect him to look better in the playoffs where he seems to pressure defenses more.

A joke? Sure, he gets some assists by [possibly] passing up shots of is own, but the shots he gets the other guys on our team are open and in rhythm. There are a lot of things on which people can rip Rondo, but passing isn't one of them. Any superstar shooter would kill to have an unselfish passing stud like Rondo leading their team.

On another note, though, I do agree that he needs to break out of whatever he is in. The playoffs usually bring out his best, though, so I am not totally worried (except I really didn't want to play the Heat in the playoffs.

[Greenbean]

Rondo is such a unique player that when he slunps it is tough to put a finger on exactly what is going on.

To me he is a step slow on everything and his confidence looks to be at a season low.

Once he gets that step back, his confidence will follow. Until then, the team has to figure out how to stir the drink without the straw. The Heat are coming and the Bulls are here...

[barefacedmonk]

Since the trade deadline (Feb 24th), Rondo's production has been:

8.4 ppg, 9.5 assists, 4.2 rebounds, .404 FG%

Remove the last two games where he has under performed and his numbers look like:

10 ppg, 10.4 assists, 4.4 rebounds, .461 FG% (almost identical to his 2010-11 season numbers).

Two bad games is hardly a slump, imo. I think he is being singled out unfairly on this blog...the big 3, since the trade, haven't been a model of consistency either. Plus, we have several new players that we need to integrate in our system. Our recent performance have been an overall result of all these factors...not Rondo's slump.

[KungPoweChicken]

Since the trade deadline (Feb 24th), Rondo's production has been:

8.4 ppg, 9.5 assists, 4.2 rebounds, .404 FG%

Remove the last two games where he has under performed and his numbers look like:

10 ppg, 10.4 assists, 4.4 rebounds, .461 FG% (almost identical to his 2010-11 season numbers).

Two bad games is hardly a slump, imo. I think he is being singled out unfairly on this blog...the big 3, since the trade, haven't been a model of consistency either. Plus, we have several new players that we need to integrate in our system. Our recent performance have been an overall result of all these factors...not Rondo's slump.

It's not about the stats. It's about being a poor floor general, playing with little effort, and making poor basketball decisions. It doesn't matter how many assists he gets.

[j804]

Jeff Green is a young, super athletic stud...

Im still waiting to see how his "athleticism" will improve us, beacuse right now hes not being used well.

What do you propose the Celtics should do utilize him well?

Stop playing him at the 4 spot, use him strickly at the 3, and run plays for him. He is the best player on the second unit, and the 5th best player on the team, theres no reason he shouldnt touch the ball everytime down the court when hes out there with the second team.

I know we dont run our offense through one guy, and that we belive in ball movement above all else, but Green will have an advantage at the 3 spot most nights due to his length and skill when playing vs second unit 3's from the opposing team.

We need to go to him just like the when Odom takes over as soon as he comes in. Green needs to be developed into a "weapon" that comes in, has the potential to get us 15-20 points a night and I believe he can especially when playing vs. second units.

But these games where he is continualy ignored on offense due to either his teammates not getting him the ball, or him not demanding it need to stop.

TP well said

[barefacedmonk]

Since the trade deadline (Feb 24th), Rondo's production has been:

8.4 ppg, 9.5 assists, 4.2 rebounds, .404 FG%

Remove the last two games where he has under performed and his numbers look like:

10 ppg, 10.4 assists, 4.4 rebounds, .461 FG% (almost identical to his 2010-11 season numbers).

Two bad games is hardly a slump, imo. I think he is being singled out unfairly on this blog...the big 3, since the trade, haven't been a model of consistency either. Plus, we have several new players that we need to integrate in our system. Our recent performance have been an overall result of all these factors...not Rondo's slump.

It's not about the stats. It's about being a poor floor general, playing with little effort, and making poor basketball decisions. It doesn't matter how many assists he gets.

So now its not about his stats? Because once he starts playing at the level he was earlier, some folks here will cry about the number of shots he takes...why he doesn't take enough shots etc.

KungPoweChicken, be honest with yourself, its clear you don't care for Rondo's play (your posts on this subject in the past 5-6 days are evidence enough) and no matter how Rondo plays, it won't be enough.

Two bad games and he is a poor floor general now...unreal.

These are your posts...sorry to repost them...but nothing will convince you that Rondo is a very good PG and perfect for this team's need.

I wish Ainge did a Rondo for Nash + picks trade at the deadline.

He's probably better than Earl Boykins

Yes, it looks like he's on drugs. I'm not even joking or "trolling." I'm being serious. If you watch when he's on the bench, the kid looks high.

I'd rather have Avery Bradley attempt a half-court double teamed bomb shot with the game on the line than have Rondo attempt an open 15 footer.

It was official that Rondo couldn't shoot years ago. I'd rather have Dennis Rodman shooting with the game on the line than Rondo.

Rondo, a guy who makes Shaq's jump shot look wet.

Just because he put up good stats doesn't mean he had good games.

[housecall]

This is one of the harder questions to answer without having firsthand inside info of a lockerroom.Rondo is probably the most difficult Celtics player to figure out even when he's good because of his unique-style of play.Im not going to say what his problems are because i don't know but there is one thing i have heard consistently about him here at CB and some media members thruoghout the yrs. he's been a starter,Rondo can be very moody at times.Im not sure if its physical with him or just plain stubborn.

[arctic 3.0]

from preseason game one of his rookie year i've been calling rondo the "future".

he has been so bad lately:
disinterested in d
fancy pass turn overs
holding the ball at the top of the key till there is 10 sec left of the shot clock
little penetration into the paint
down 2 with minutes to play, 2 on 2 fast break. pulls the ball back to the 3 point line and lets the defense get set. loose by 9...

kid is so good but so mercurial. you either love him (as I do/did) or hate him (which is how i felt after the last loss.)

if he is hurt let him rest, if he is in a funk sit him.
if he thinks to much of himself sic KG on him.

if all that fails, our championship hopes AND our post KG transition are in serious jeopardy. (how big a funk is this kid capable on a team that is not close to winning a championship? I hate to say it but I foresee a post big 3 prima donna.