Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York

[Monkhouse]

An NYPD source familiar with the investigation told DailyMail.com: 'It’s a ridiculous accusation without any merit.'

When asked if police believe her, the source said: 'Maybe her mother believes her but no one else does.'

The source said that Porzingis and the women 'had a consensual sexual ongoing relationship.'

'I’m not sure how long it was going on but it continued well after her alleged incident which is a huge red flag,' the source said.

Interesting.

[CelticsPoetry]

Sure. 

Really believable. A young professional basketball player, who's good looking, is earning a lot of money, has had a good education and hasn't shown any signs of troubling behaviour is just going to rape some poor woman?

Fake news.

Uhhh, probably a bit too dismissive of that. This attitude is almost everything that stops victims coming forward.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent - way too early to say. But this kind of stuff is unacceptable

Come on. The story doesn't make any sense.

''Oh man, I just got r*ped, what an awful experience! I'm going to the police! Oh, wait, I'm being offered $68.000 to keep quiet. That's a really reasonable deal, maybe I should take it? How is getting him to justice going to help me? It's not like he'll doing something like that again. Let's just wait a year and see how I think about it then. ...a year later... I think I'll go to the police, those payments aren't coming in soon, so sorry but you missed your chance to pay me off, now I'm going to tell on you! Come to think of it, I really didn't like that rape incident.''

That doesn't mean you should brush it aside because KP is a multi-millionaire pro athlete in his early 20's. We've seen athletes do this before.

Victims of rape & sexual assault explicitly outline this kind of behaviour as why they wouldn't come forward. You can surely see the problem with that.

Of course victims of rape & sexual assault should feel safe to come out with their stories.
However this one doesn't make sense. And a lot of those stories don't.

'Some rich famous guy with some emotional distress, has a couple of drinks, gets horny, loses his boundaries and just rapes some poor woman.' 

Just really think about it. How likely is that to happen often?

How many times did you get drunk and (almost) raped someone?
Has it ever crossed your mind? Do you have moral obstacles?
Do you think that some drinks will remove your moral boundaries for such an act?

You don't have to answer those questions. Just realize that even though they're famous people, they're still people.
Who have morals just like me and you. People make mistakes, but raping someone is not just a mistake that happens frequently.

Personally I rate the chance bigger that I'd kill someone in my lifetime than rape someone. And I've never physically assaulted anyone in my life.

I read this and literally thought to myself "Ya, that sounds a lot like something that might happen." You are viewing this through the prism of a normal human being. Of course it seems improbably to you, but 1 in 5 woman are victims of sexual assault by the time they turn 70. Given that, I don't out of hand dismiss any allegation.

That said, its impossible to make any determination one way or another based on what we know.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Per FBI stats the rape rate is 41.2 per 100.000 inhabitants. It's really interesting how the phrase sexual assault is used now more than rape, because you can really broaden it's meaning.

The problem with that stat you site is that it is A) Based on one year, I'm talking about the percentage of women who experience sexual assault during their lifetime. B) Only includes rape, a much narrower definition than sexual assault, and C) Is based of reporting data, and a majority of sexual assaults are not reported.

A) If you extrapolate that data to 70 years and 300 million inhabitants, you get around 8 million rapes. It would be pretty hard for me to calculate how much the population will increase/decrease and take into account people who are raped multiple times, so let's stick to 300 million. Take away the old and the very young. Let's say that leaves us at 160 million. That's 1 in 20 (people, not just women, in 70 years, not taking into account tons of other factors)
B) Let's be real, the way sexual assault is defined today is almost silly. Basically anything can be thought of as sexual assault, the slightest unwanted contact. Let's not compare being raped with putting a hand on someones leg or slapping someone's ass.
C) But that's the only data we have. If you don't have reliably data, you can't just make up numbers. If you have more reliable data than FBI statistics, please let me know. How do you know that it's not reported, if it hasn't been reported? Is there proof that so many of these crimes are unreported? It's just something we hear constantly from the media and feminists. A majority? Come on, that's a stretch.

[smokeablount]

Sure. 

Really believable. A young professional basketball player, who's good looking, is earning a lot of money, has had a good education and hasn't shown any signs of troubling behaviour is just going to rape some poor woman?

Fake news.

Uhhh, probably a bit too dismissive of that. This attitude is almost everything that stops victims coming forward.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent - way too early to say. But this kind of stuff is unacceptable

Come on. The story doesn't make any sense.

''Oh man, I just got r*ped, what an awful experience! I'm going to the police! Oh, wait, I'm being offered $68.000 to keep quiet. That's a really reasonable deal, maybe I should take it? How is getting him to justice going to help me? It's not like he'll doing something like that again. Let's just wait a year and see how I think about it then. ...a year later... I think I'll go to the police, those payments aren't coming in soon, so sorry but you missed your chance to pay me off, now I'm going to tell on you! Come to think of it, I really didn't like that rape incident.''

That doesn't mean you should brush it aside because KP is a multi-millionaire pro athlete in his early 20's. We've seen athletes do this before.

Victims of rape & sexual assault explicitly outline this kind of behaviour as why they wouldn't come forward. You can surely see the problem with that.

Of course victims of rape & sexual assault should feel safe to come out with their stories.
However this one doesn't make sense. And a lot of those stories don't.

'Some rich famous guy with some emotional distress, has a couple of drinks, gets horny, loses his boundaries and just rapes some poor woman.' 

Just really think about it. How likely is that to happen often?

How many times did you get drunk and (almost) raped someone?
Has it ever crossed your mind? Do you have moral obstacles?
Do you think that some drinks will remove your moral boundaries for such an act?

You don't have to answer those questions. Just realize that even though they're famous people, they're still people.
Who have morals just like me and you. People make mistakes, but raping someone is not just a mistake that happens frequently.

Personally I rate the chance bigger that I'd kill someone in my lifetime than rape someone. And I've never physically assaulted anyone in my life.

Kobe Bryant and Ben Roethlisberger say hello.

You need to re-familiarize yourself with the Kobe case, you are making the opposite of the argument you intend to make. Ben however is scum from what I can tell.

Read the police report from the Kobe case. I didn't and still don't believe he was innocent, but his defense team thoroughly put the focus on the victim's reputation. It was a classic "sully the name of the accuser" situation.

I thought it was indisputable that the hotel employee, right after the incident with Kobe or within 24 hours, went and had rough sex with at least 1 other man to exacerbate the effects of the encounter with Kobe and thus basically doctored evidence and lied about it, along with doing some other shady things.  This is a very sensitive topic and I don't mean to offend anyone, but that sounds like a setup to me, though I admit to being biased on this topic because I've been in serious relationships with victims and lived with the awful lifelong effects it can have. 

There's nothing more disgusting than rape or harming children and so to me, that makes falsely accusing someone of rape quite disgusting as well.  Perhaps I need to revisit the details of the Kobe case and am letting my feelings interfere.

you don't issue formal apologies where you basically admit you raped someone if it didn't happen.  Kobe raped her.
https://www.thenation.com/article/wrestling-in-with-kobe-bryants-forgotten-apology/

Seems equally likely as a rape victim leaving the scene and heading directly to go receive some rough sex to make the rape look worse. I’ve never heard of someone getting raped and going out looking for more sex right after. Makes zero sense.

[Ogaju]

Sure. 

Really believable. A young professional basketball player, who's good looking, is earning a lot of money, has had a good education and hasn't shown any signs of troubling behaviour is just going to rape some poor woman?

Fake news.

Uhhh, probably a bit too dismissive of that. This attitude is almost everything that stops victims coming forward.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent - way too early to say. But this kind of stuff is unacceptable

Come on. The story doesn't make any sense.

''Oh man, I just got r*ped, what an awful experience! I'm going to the police! Oh, wait, I'm being offered $68.000 to keep quiet. That's a really reasonable deal, maybe I should take it? How is getting him to justice going to help me? It's not like he'll doing something like that again. Let's just wait a year and see how I think about it then. ...a year later... I think I'll go to the police, those payments aren't coming in soon, so sorry but you missed your chance to pay me off, now I'm going to tell on you! Come to think of it, I really didn't like that rape incident.''

That doesn't mean you should brush it aside because KP is a multi-millionaire pro athlete in his early 20's. We've seen athletes do this before.

Victims of rape & sexual assault explicitly outline this kind of behaviour as why they wouldn't come forward. You can surely see the problem with that.

Of course victims of rape & sexual assault should feel safe to come out with their stories.
However this one doesn't make sense. And a lot of those stories don't.

'Some rich famous guy with some emotional distress, has a couple of drinks, gets horny, loses his boundaries and just rapes some poor woman.' 

Just really think about it. How likely is that to happen often?

How many times did you get drunk and (almost) raped someone?
Has it ever crossed your mind? Do you have moral obstacles?
Do you think that some drinks will remove your moral boundaries for such an act?

You don't have to answer those questions. Just realize that even though they're famous people, they're still people.
Who have morals just like me and you. People make mistakes, but raping someone is not just a mistake that happens frequently.

Personally I rate the chance bigger that I'd kill someone in my lifetime than rape someone. And I've never physically assaulted anyone in my life.

Kobe Bryant and Ben Roethlisberger say hello.

You need to re-familiarize yourself with the Kobe case, you are making the opposite of the argument you intend to make. Ben however is scum from what I can tell.

Read the police report from the Kobe case. I didn't and still don't believe he was innocent, but his defense team thoroughly put the focus on the victim's reputation. It was a classic "sully the name of the accuser" situation.

I thought it was indisputable that the hotel employee, right after the incident with Kobe or within 24 hours, went and had rough sex with at least 1 other man to exacerbate the effects of the encounter with Kobe and thus basically doctored evidence and lied about it, along with doing some other shady things.  This is a very sensitive topic and I don't mean to offend anyone, but that sounds like a setup to me, though I admit to being biased on this topic because I've been in serious relationships with victims and lived with the awful lifelong effects it can have. 

There's nothing more disgusting than rape or harming children and so to me, that makes falsely accusing someone of rape quite disgusting as well.  Perhaps I need to revisit the details of the Kobe case and am letting my feelings interfere.

you don't issue formal apologies where you basically admit you raped someone if it didn't happen.  Kobe raped her.
https://www.thenation.com/article/wrestling-in-with-kobe-bryants-forgotten-apology/

Seems equally likely as a rape victim leaving the scene and heading directly to go receive some rough sex to make the rape look worse.

for someone who seeks deference because you have dated rape survivors you sure do not have any problem with taking all types of liberties with the sexual history or facts surrounding the accuser in the Bryant case.

[nickagneta]

Sure. 

Really believable. A young professional basketball player, who's good looking, is earning a lot of money, has had a good education and hasn't shown any signs of troubling behaviour is just going to rape some poor woman?

Fake news.

Uhhh, probably a bit too dismissive of that. This attitude is almost everything that stops victims coming forward.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent - way too early to say. But this kind of stuff is unacceptable

Come on. The story doesn't make any sense.

''Oh man, I just got r*ped, what an awful experience! I'm going to the police! Oh, wait, I'm being offered $68.000 to keep quiet. That's a really reasonable deal, maybe I should take it? How is getting him to justice going to help me? It's not like he'll doing something like that again. Let's just wait a year and see how I think about it then. ...a year later... I think I'll go to the police, those payments aren't coming in soon, so sorry but you missed your chance to pay me off, now I'm going to tell on you! Come to think of it, I really didn't like that rape incident.''

That doesn't mean you should brush it aside because KP is a multi-millionaire pro athlete in his early 20's. We've seen athletes do this before.

Victims of rape & sexual assault explicitly outline this kind of behaviour as why they wouldn't come forward. You can surely see the problem with that.

Of course victims of rape & sexual assault should feel safe to come out with their stories.
However this one doesn't make sense. And a lot of those stories don't.

'Some rich famous guy with some emotional distress, has a couple of drinks, gets horny, loses his boundaries and just rapes some poor woman.' 

Just really think about it. How likely is that to happen often?

How many times did you get drunk and (almost) raped someone?
Has it ever crossed your mind? Do you have moral obstacles?
Do you think that some drinks will remove your moral boundaries for such an act?

You don't have to answer those questions. Just realize that even though they're famous people, they're still people.
Who have morals just like me and you. People make mistakes, but raping someone is not just a mistake that happens frequently.

Personally I rate the chance bigger that I'd kill someone in my lifetime than rape someone. And I've never physically assaulted anyone in my life.

I read this and literally thought to myself "Ya, that sounds a lot like something that might happen." You are viewing this through the prism of a normal human being. Of course it seems improbably to you, but 1 in 5 woman are victims of sexual assault by the time they turn 70. Given that, I don't out of hand dismiss any allegation.

That said, its impossible to make any determination one way or another based on what we know.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Per FBI stats the rape rate is 41.2 per 100.000 inhabitants. It's really interesting how the phrase sexual assault is used now more than rape, because you can really broaden it's meaning.

The problem with that stat you site is that it is A) Based on one year, I'm talking about the percentage of women who experience sexual assault during their lifetime. B) Only includes rape, a much narrower definition than sexual assault, and C) Is based of reporting data, and a majority of sexual assaults are not reported.

A) If you extrapolate that data to 70 years and 300 million inhabitants, you get around 8 million rapes. It would be pretty hard for me to calculate how much the population will increase/decrease and take into account people who are raped multiple times, so let's stick to 300 million. Take away the old and the very young. Let's say that leaves us at 160 million. That's 1 in 20 (people, not just women, in 70 years, not taking into account tons of other factors)
B) Let's be real, the way sexual assault is defined today is almost silly. Basically anything can be thought of as sexual assault, the slightest unwanted contact. Let's not compare being raped with putting a hand on someones leg or slapping someone's ass.
C) But that's the only data we have. If you don't have reliably data, you can't just make up numbers. If you have more reliable data than FBI statistics, please let me know. How do you know that it's not reported, if it hasn't been reported? Is there proof that so many of these crimes are unreported? It's just something we hear constantly from the media and feminists. A majority? Come on, that's a stretch.

This last part is not only completely wrong but, rather offensive, IMO. You know who claims rapes go mostly unreported? Your United States Department of Justice.

Probably for the same reasons that nearly 80 percent of rapes and sexual assaults go unreported, according to a Justice Department analysis of violent crime in 2016. The reality is, it’s very common for sexual assault survivors — most frequently, women — to decline to report the offense to police. At the same time, false accusations of rape or sexual assault are rare. And that should inform how we weigh Dr. Ford’s allegations, as well as those of other survivors.

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/sexual-assault-remains-dramatically-underreported

The very first link that says "violent crime in 2016" is a report from the Justice Department on crime with the numbers and methodology of their report.

Per the report only 23% of rapes were reported and the rate was 1.1 people over the age of 12 per 1000 people were affected.

That rapes go unreported is not some "feminist" pushed fake news or a media concocted lie. It is simply a fact, confirmed by the US Justice Department with actual numbers.

[smokeablount]

Sure. 

Really believable. A young professional basketball player, who's good looking, is earning a lot of money, has had a good education and hasn't shown any signs of troubling behaviour is just going to rape some poor woman?

Fake news.

Uhhh, probably a bit too dismissive of that. This attitude is almost everything that stops victims coming forward.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent - way too early to say. But this kind of stuff is unacceptable

Come on. The story doesn't make any sense.

''Oh man, I just got r*ped, what an awful experience! I'm going to the police! Oh, wait, I'm being offered $68.000 to keep quiet. That's a really reasonable deal, maybe I should take it? How is getting him to justice going to help me? It's not like he'll doing something like that again. Let's just wait a year and see how I think about it then. ...a year later... I think I'll go to the police, those payments aren't coming in soon, so sorry but you missed your chance to pay me off, now I'm going to tell on you! Come to think of it, I really didn't like that rape incident.''

That doesn't mean you should brush it aside because KP is a multi-millionaire pro athlete in his early 20's. We've seen athletes do this before.

Victims of rape & sexual assault explicitly outline this kind of behaviour as why they wouldn't come forward. You can surely see the problem with that.

Of course victims of rape & sexual assault should feel safe to come out with their stories.
However this one doesn't make sense. And a lot of those stories don't.

'Some rich famous guy with some emotional distress, has a couple of drinks, gets horny, loses his boundaries and just rapes some poor woman.' 

Just really think about it. How likely is that to happen often?

How many times did you get drunk and (almost) raped someone?
Has it ever crossed your mind? Do you have moral obstacles?
Do you think that some drinks will remove your moral boundaries for such an act?

You don't have to answer those questions. Just realize that even though they're famous people, they're still people.
Who have morals just like me and you. People make mistakes, but raping someone is not just a mistake that happens frequently.

Personally I rate the chance bigger that I'd kill someone in my lifetime than rape someone. And I've never physically assaulted anyone in my life.

Kobe Bryant and Ben Roethlisberger say hello.

You need to re-familiarize yourself with the Kobe case, you are making the opposite of the argument you intend to make. Ben however is scum from what I can tell.

Read the police report from the Kobe case. I didn't and still don't believe he was innocent, but his defense team thoroughly put the focus on the victim's reputation. It was a classic "sully the name of the accuser" situation.

I thought it was indisputable that the hotel employee, right after the incident with Kobe or within 24 hours, went and had rough sex with at least 1 other man to exacerbate the effects of the encounter with Kobe and thus basically doctored evidence and lied about it, along with doing some other shady things.  This is a very sensitive topic and I don't mean to offend anyone, but that sounds like a setup to me, though I admit to being biased on this topic because I've been in serious relationships with victims and lived with the awful lifelong effects it can have. 

There's nothing more disgusting than rape or harming children and so to me, that makes falsely accusing someone of rape quite disgusting as well.  Perhaps I need to revisit the details of the Kobe case and am letting my feelings interfere.

you don't issue formal apologies where you basically admit you raped someone if it didn't happen.  Kobe raped her.
https://www.thenation.com/article/wrestling-in-with-kobe-bryants-forgotten-apology/

Seems equally likely as a rape victim leaving the scene and heading directly to go receive some rough sex to make the rape look worse.

for someone who seeks deference because you have dated rape survivors you sure do not have any problem with taking all types of liberties with the sexual history or facts surrounding the accuser in the Bryant case.

Please elaborate on how I’m taking liberties with the facts I have stated. And I’m skeptical because due to my experience, I can say that not one woman I knew who this happened to was thinking of going and having more sex after the rape. It’s an extremely puzzling reaction that doesn’t make sense (edit- to me at least). I never said I’m fully convinced- I wasn’t there, and people do strange things, but I have my doubts for sure.  I’m doing something called “using my brain” but it sounds like I need to be fair and read the police report as well.

[Ogaju]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show where this was proved.

[smokeablount]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

[Ogaju]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

[smokeablount]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have that Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

[Ogaju]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have the Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

Didnt say he did, didnt say he didnt.

[smokeablount]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have the Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

Didnt say he did, didnt say he didnt.

Lol. So you just hang around here critiquing other people’s opinions (based on legitimate news) without standing for anything yourself?

Cool dude.

[Ogaju]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have the Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

Didnt say he did, didnt say he didnt.

Lol. So you just hang around here critiquing other people’s opinions (based on legitimate news) without standing for anything yourself?

Cool dude.

DID not criticize your opinion. I pointed out that you asserted a FACT that was not proved. On the matter at hand I do not have enough facts to render an opinion on this board. That is not an unreasonable position.

[smokeablount]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have the Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

Didnt say he did, didnt say he didnt.

Lol. So you just hang around here critiquing other people’s opinions (based on legitimate news) without standing for anything yourself?

Cool dude.

DID not criticize your opinion. I pointed out that you asserted a FACT that was not proved. On the matter at hand I do not have enough facts to render an opinion on this board. That is not an unreasonable position.

You’re right. I felt attacked and my conduct pretty clearly reflects that. This is a lot harder to talk about than basketball and it’s probably best if I drop the conversation, but I appreciate you not being overly aggressive in disagreeing about a very sensitive topic.

[Ogaju]

I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have the Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.

Didnt say he did, didnt say he didnt.

Lol. So you just hang around here critiquing other people’s opinions (based on legitimate news) without standing for anything yourself?

Cool dude.

DID not criticize your opinion. I pointed out that you asserted a FACT that was not proved. On the matter at hand I do not have enough facts to render an opinion on this board. That is not an unreasonable position.

You’re right. I felt attacked and my conduct pretty clearly reflects that. This is a lot harder to talk about than basketball and it’s probably best if I drop the conversation, but I appreciate you not being overly aggressive in disagreeing about a very sensitive topic.

I understand, and I agree.  I apologize that my post offended you. I was actually wondering if I had missed some of the facts revealed at the time. As it turns out you did educate me on the pre-trial hearing with the defense expert.