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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2019, 06:09:41 AM »

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I am not aware of ANY FACT that the woman 'received' rough sex after her alleged rape. Please show were this was proved.

It was proved as much as Kobe was proved to have raped anyone, and as much as an apology proves. Our justice system puts the burden of proof on the prosecution and prosecutors tried to keep this quiet: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html

my memory served me well and you did take undue liberties with the facts. First, you try to gain some credibility by touting yourself as being sensitive to the plight of rape victims because you had dated a number of them, then you use this faux credibility to impugn the credibility of  the accuser in Bryant's case. There was allegation by the defendant's hired gun that the accuser had sex with another man 'not long after' (whatever that means) the alleged rape. This was not proved and it was contested by the prosecution. Not a single allegation of rough sex that you claimed in your post. Not one.

Wrong. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1767042

I said “I thought” it was proven, and it looks like I was wrong. I admit it. Now, what proof do you have that Kobe did it? Since the burden is on you / the prosecution, not me.
He admitted it.  That is about as strong of proof in these sorts of cases as you will ever have.  Kobe admitted the sex wasn't consensual.  Period. 
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2019, 01:08:10 PM »

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More facts coming to light in the Porzingis case.

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Woman wanted Knicks to 'mediate' with Porzingis
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Eight months after a 29-year-old woman said that NBA star Kristaps Porzingis raped her inside his apartment, she contacted the New York Knicks' legal department to seek to "mediate in private" a payment of $68,000, according to emails obtained by ESPN.

At the time of the woman's documented communication with the Knicks' legal staff -- late October through early November -- no criminal complaint had been filed with New York police. The Knicks eventually referred the woman to Porzingis' personal legal representation.

ESPN obtained a series of text messages between the woman and Porzingis, as well as emails between her and the Knicks. The texts and emails portray a woman who wanted to pursue a romantic relationship with Porzingis in the aftermath of the alleged assault in February 2018, but who also wanted him to honor what she says was his commitment to contribute $68,000 to a college fund for her brother.

The New York Post is reporting that a woman told police last week that ex-Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis raped her last year. Porzingis' attorney said they "unequivocally deny the allegations."

According to the emails, the woman, who lived in the same apartment building as Porzingis, told the Knicks that she went to Porzingis' apartment to get his autograph in the late-night hours after Porzingis suffered a serious knee injury at Madison Square Garden on Feb. 6, 2018. After what the woman told the Knicks was an "extremely aggressive encounter," she said Porzingis agreed to co-sign a statement with her that promised his payment of $68,000.

Porzingis' attorney, in a statement to ESPN, said he believes the document is "a forgery."

Attempts to reach the attorney for the woman were unsuccessful.

The New York Post reported Saturday that the woman told New York police on Thursday of an alleged rape that she said occurred in the early-morning hours of Feb. 7, 2018, in Porzingis' apartment. The NYPD would not confirm to ESPN that an investigation is underway.

Porzingis' attorney, Roland G. Riopelle, said in a statement Saturday, "We are aware of the complaint that was made against Mr. Porzingis [on Thursday] and unequivocally deny the allegations."

The statement also noted that Porzingis' legal team made a formal referral on the player's behalf to federal law enforcement on Dec. 20, 2018, "based on the accuser's extortionate demands. We also alerted the National Basketball Association months ago and they are aware of the ongoing investigation of the accuser by federal law enforcement."

Porzingis, 23, was traded to the Dallas Mavericks on Jan. 31, but he has not played this season as he continues to rehab a torn left ACL.

The Knicks declined to comment Sunday.

Mavs coach Rick Carlisle on Sunday said Porzingis, who is not currently with the team as he continues to work out in Dallas, said the accusations won't impact Porzingis' availability for practice. Carlisle also said if Porzingis wants to take time away from the team, the Mavs are open to that.

Michele Roberts, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, issued a statement Sunday: "We have been aware of these allegations for some time, have evaluated the accuser's claims and, based on what is presently before us, stand with Kristaps."

The woman's correspondence with the Knicks' legal staff came in the aftermath of text message communication between her and Porzingis. Texts sent in the weeks following the alleged assault included the woman asking to spend intimate time with Porzingis. Some of those messages included the woman sending explicit photos of herself.

It is unclear if Porzingis and the woman had any sexual encounters after the alleged assault, or how much additional text correspondence there was between the two. In the texts reviewed by ESPN, the woman appeared to become increasingly frustrated that Porzingis was friendly when they crossed paths in their apartment building, but remained far less responsive via text communication.

After asking the Knicks in October to help her get the $68,000 from Porzingis, the woman emailed the Knicks a series of text messages that included Porzingis' invitation to visit his apartment the night of the alleged assault. Porzingis told her that he was "drunk," according to the texts. The woman agreed to come to his apartment, responding: "I'm not fancy at all. I'm in flip-flops and a night dress. I'm basic. ..."

In the handwritten letter that she described as a contractual agreement with Porzingis for payment of $68,000 -- a copy of which was obtained by ESPN -- Porzingis' name is misspelled and it is unclear whether the signature belongs to him.

In the alleged agreement, the woman wrote: "This agreement effective February 7, 2018, acknowledges the fact that an unexpected escalated sexual intercourse due to an inevitable physical attraction on the part of Kristap (sic) occurred subsequently, warrants compensation payable towards (the woman's) siblings college tuition in the amount of $68,000. ...

" ... Mr. Kristap (sic) willingly offered several compensations to (the woman) including business investments. (The woman) ultimately settled with Mr. Kristap's (sic) offer of a $68,000 check."

In a statement to ESPN on Sunday, Riopelle said: "Mr. Porzingis denies signing the alleged contract, which we believe is a forgery. When asked to produce the original contract for handwriting analysis, the complainant declined to do so."

In her correspondence with the Knicks, the woman included a photograph that she said showed hair loss and broken nose cartilage, "from when he repeatedly hit me." Several days after the alleged encounter, the woman wrote that she had to pay "about $10,000" for corrective surgery.

In an Oct. 30, 2018, email to the Knicks, the woman wrote: "After the extremely aggressive encounter, he was very apologetic, loving and caring ... hence, the offer he made to pay my (little) bro's tuition + more. ... Although how he treated me was horrendous, as a Knicks fan, I do not want him to get him in any trouble with the law. I stayed back and enjoyed the rest of the time I spent with him. It's crucial to note the fun times I had with him doesn't negate the fact that he offered to compensate me as a soothing gift even though I didn't ask him to." The woman said she stayed with Porzingis until 11 a.m. the day after the alleged assault.

Besides the $68,000 payment, the woman also wanted the Knicks to assist in the return of a pair of sandals she termed her "favorite Jordan gray and orange slides." She also had texted Porzingis for the return of the shoes, and he acknowledged she left them in his apartment.

In an email sent to Porzingis' legal team also dated Oct. 30, 2018 -- based on the Knicks' initial phone conversation with the woman -- Jamaal Lesane, the Knicks' vice president of legal affairs, described the woman's side of the story this way: "She went up to Porzingis' apartment with a notebook to get his autograph. Once she was inside Porzingis' apartment, 'Porzingis had his way with me without my consent.' Later, Porzingis offered her money 'when he knew was wrong.' Porzingis offered to pay the tuition for (the woman's) brother's education in the amount of $68,000."

In an email, the woman asked the Knicks' legal team to keep the information between her and the organization. She concluded, "I will litigate this matter if the Knicks legal team fails to properly mediate in private."

The Knicks appeared to end communication with the woman in early November. In an email dated Nov. 6, the Knicks' legal staff informed the woman that Porzingis had "decided to retain counsel to represent him and they will be in touch with you shortly. The New York Knicks will not have any further involvement on Kristaps' behalf."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26414381/woman-wanted-knicks-mediate-porzingis


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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2019, 01:15:52 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)


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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2019, 01:25:28 PM »

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The woman sounds off her rocker from that ESPN article.  That said, experts should analyze the signature.


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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2019, 01:27:58 PM »

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The texts show Porzingas admitted to being drunk. He may have been on painkillers too. She went there and after something happened(consensual, non-consensual, violent, non-violent...don't know) she seemingly coerced him to sign a contract. He was drunk. If everything she claims is true, her "contract" is worthless due to that text.

And, because she didn't go to the hospital and the police immediately, there is no proof of rape and a lot of circumstantial proof she may have set up the whole thing(she knew he was drunk, she knew her brother needed a bunch of money, she brought a pad of paper to get "an autograph" which she just so happens to use to write up a contract after what happened, she has been cordial and friendly afterwards, not exactly the normal victim reactions, etc.)

This really reeks of a setup. Nothing about how this woman reacted says "victim".
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2019, 01:32:45 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2019, 01:37:36 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.

Perhaps.  I guess everyone responds differently.  I just know that when one of my college roommates tore his ACL and needed surgery, he could barely move.


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« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2019, 01:40:10 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.

Perhaps.  I guess everyone responds differently.  I just know that when one of my college roommates tore his ACL and needed surgery, he could barely move.
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2019, 01:41:05 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.

Perhaps.  I guess everyone responds differently.  I just know that when one of my college roommates tore his ACL and needed surgery, he could barely move.
I'm guessing your college roommate didn't have a hot chick show up at his door in her night gown either. 
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2019, 01:44:11 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.

Perhaps.  I guess everyone responds differently.  I just know that when one of my college roommates tore his ACL and needed surgery, he could barely move.
I'm guessing your college roommate didn't have a hot chick show up at his door in her night gown either.

Not speaking to that part.  Just the pain aspect. 


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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2019, 02:00:50 PM »

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The guy tears his ACL & is sexual assaulting someone hours later?  ::)
probably drugged up and in pain, might not be all that crazy.  Though the rest of the story is definitely strange and not all that likely to have happened.

Perhaps.  I guess everyone responds differently.  I just know that when one of my college roommates tore his ACL and needed surgery, he could barely move.
I'm guessing your college roommate didn't have a hot chick show up at his door in her night gown either.

Not speaking to that part.  Just the pain aspect.
I know, but opportunity affects pain in a lot of ways.
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Re: Report: Porzingis accused of rape in New York
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2019, 02:24:46 PM »

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Very bizarre story based on the details so far.

From the bizarre monetary amount ($68,000 for her brother’s tuition) to the “signed” agreement that they are claiming is forged. Then she’s sending him explicit pics AFTER that night (and grew frustrated that he didn’t respond to texts all the time)? And keep asking for her grey and orange slides back?

The timing is odd, immediately after a serious injury, but not impossible. Who knows where his head was at in the aftermath of a possible career-altering injury. He could have been frustrated and under the influence (narcotics and/or alcohol) and became overly aggressive.

It’s another one of these stories that there is no good outcome. Either he did it and deserves to go to prison (not just pay her off), or she’s fabricating this story to extort him and it’s just a terrible look for the movement.

Very odd set of circumstances. Curious to see where this goes.
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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2019, 02:45:04 AM »

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Very bizarre story based on the details so far.

From the bizarre monetary amount ($68,000 for her brother’s tuition) to the “signed” agreement that they are claiming is forged. Then she’s sending him explicit pics AFTER that night (and grew frustrated that he didn’t respond to texts all the time)? And keep asking for her grey and orange slides back?

The timing is odd, immediately after a serious injury, but not impossible. Who knows where his head was at in the aftermath of a possible career-altering injury. He could have been frustrated and under the influence (narcotics and/or alcohol) and became overly aggressive.

It’s another one of these stories that there is no good outcome. Either he did it and deserves to go to prison (not just pay her off), or she’s fabricating this story to extort him and it’s just a terrible look for the movement.

Very odd set of circumstances. Curious to see where this goes.
It's possible that the truth is somewhere in between.
Assume they were having an ongoing sexual relationship.

Only this time, KP, as you say, is frustrated due to the injury, and drunk. So this time he's more violent than normal, and hurts her. However, she initially doesn't view it as rape. Somehow she convinces herself that it was a one time thing, and that dating a multimillionaire celebrity outweighs the beating she took. Or perhaps she even loves him. (it's well known that some women manage to convince themselves that they love the man, even when they get abused)
He is regretful and perhaps promises her to make things right. She comes up with this idea to have PK pay for her brother's tuition, this way she doesn't come out as greedy, and PK gets to show his good will. If they both discussed and agreed to this we may never know.
But later, PK doesn't think he has done anything wrong, so he doesn't pay. She gets upset and starts pressuring him. The thing escalates, and PK goes to the police. All of a sudden, the woman is the accused. Her only option now is to take it all the way and accuse him of rape.
Looks like a lose-lose situation to me.

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Better him than me.

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