The Kyrie Irving free agency thread(to sign 4yr/$141M w/Nets page 105)

[Neurotic Guy]

I feel totally at peace with whatever Kyrie does.

I'd like to see him come back and learn from his mistakes in the locker room. On the court, he was phenomenal last season and well worth the max salary.

But if he doesn't come back, then I was wrong about him and he's the type of guy who will cut and run when he sees a little adversity and I don't want that guy on my team.

Basically, if he decides to come back, I'm happy, and if he decides to walk, I'm happy not to have him around.

Kind of in the same position right now. If we get Davis, I really want Kyrie back, but if there is no Davis, maybe going young and moving on from Kyrie, if he doesn't want to be here, is best for everyone.

It will suck because it just pushes getting the next title down the road a way, like maybe 5 years or more...maybe much more. If there is no Kyrie or Davis, I feel comfortable saying that.

Well, no Kyrie kicks off my nightmare dominos. No Kyrie probably means no trade for AD.  This probably puts LAL in the driver’s seat for AD.  Worst case would be KI leaves for LAL and then they pull off the AD trade.  In 2 seasons C’s and Lakers essentially swap places.

[RPGenerate]

If Kyrie does leave, I'm gonna have to see some big leaps from Tatum and Brown to make me believe they are worth building a team around. Going by last year, we are AT BEST around the 4th best team in the east, maybe even 5th depending on what the Pacers do.

[Pvictor11]

If Kyrie does leave, I'm gonna have to see some big leaps from Tatum and Brown to make me believe they are worth building a team around. Going by last year, we are AT BEST around the 4th best team in the east, maybe even 5th depending on what the Pacers do.

I've seen enough to think that Jaylen can be better than Oladipo and Tatum better than  anyone else on the Pacers roster. So, if we go Young, I don't see the Pacers as a better team than us, even without Kyrie.
Did you forget that even with chemistry issues, blá blá blá, the Celtics still swept the Pacers?

[RazzelnoDazzel]

If Kyrie does leave, I'm gonna have to see some big leaps from Tatum and Brown to make me believe they are worth building a team around. Going by last year, we are AT BEST around the 4th best team in the east, maybe even 5th depending on what the Pacers do.

I've seen enough to think that Jaylen can be better than Oladipo and Tatum better than  anyone else on the Pacers roster. So, if we go Young, I don't see the Pacers as a better team than us, even without Kyrie.
Did you forget that even with chemistry issues, blá blá blá, the Celtics still swept the Pacers?

Pacers are in trouble anyway. Majority of their are free agents and Evans is suspended. They need players and fast to fit around Oladipo. 

[footey]

Jeff Goodman on The Herd says he feels Kyrie won't come back, and that Danny won't miss him.  That most of Celtic problems attributable to how difficult it was with Kyrie.  That not even John Wooden could coach Kyrie.  That KD should insist on teaming up with Kemba Walker in NY, not Kyrie.

Still very high on Jason Tatum.

Good listen.

https://nesn.com/2019/06/nba-insider-implies-danny-ainge-would-be-happy-if-kyrie-irving-leaves/

[SparzWizard]

I feel totally at peace with whatever Kyrie does.

I'd like to see him come back and learn from his mistakes in the locker room. On the court, he was phenomenal last season and well worth the max salary.

But if he doesn't come back, then I was wrong about him and he's the type of guy who will cut and run when he sees a little adversity and I don't want that guy on my team.

Basically, if he decides to come back, I'm happy, and if he decides to walk, I'm happy not to have him around.

Kind of in the same position right now. If we get Davis, I really want Kyrie back, but if there is no Davis, maybe going young and moving on from Kyrie, if he doesn't want to be here, is best for everyone.

It will suck because it just pushes getting the next title down the road a way, like maybe 5 years or more...maybe much more. If there is no Kyrie or Davis, I feel comfortable saying that.

Well, no Kyrie kicks off my nightmare dominos. No Kyrie probably means no trade for AD.  This probably puts LAL in the driver’s seat for AD.  Worst case would be KI leaves for LAL and then they pull off the AD trade.  In 2 seasons C’s and Lakers essentially swap places.

And in 2 seasons Lakers will have more championships than the Celtics.

So no, it is ESSENTIAL that Kyrie stays and AD comes to Boston.

[jade88]

These insiders sound so petty. Kyrie is moody, well boo freaking hoo.

Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were jerks, at times even abusive. Boston isnt above having a talented guy who is difficult, we can live with it.


The funniest thing about this season is that it isn't Kyrie's fault, even if he handled it poorly at times.


Dual timelines don't work. Veterans aren't interested in playing with kids who are trying to establish themselves, often at the expense of winning.

If our kids were had fallen in line, maybe we go a little further, but really they aren't ready to beat elite teams. To beat the Bucks, Raptors, and Warriors it will take two All NBA guys and a veteran roster that compliments them. The Cavs were great, they just ran into an all time dynasty. Ditto for Houston. The Warriors will come down sooner or later, let's be there when it happens. I thinks it's imminent.


Moving the kids put of town for an All NBA guy that is a friend's with Kyrie is our best move. If we confirm to our stars wants and needs, we don't have chemistry issues.

[gpap]

Even though I've just about checked out on any hope of Kyrie coming back, I still think there's a slim possibility.

If Ainge were to still end up landing AD by offering Hayward, Brown and Tatum, I think Kyrie can be talked into coming back.

He'll probably only agree to a 1 +1 deal. HOWEVER, by having dealt 3 contracts to get AD and if Horford can restructure his deal, we would be in a very good position to re-sign both Ky and AD in the summer of 2020.

I'd also think the competition wouldn't be as stiff because the Knicks, Nets, Lakers and Clippers will all hopefully use up their existing cap space this summer.

It's a HUGE risk, but one I'm willing to take.

In this instance, you'd still have Smart and the Celts would probably re-sign Morris to be the starting SF. Rozier would go bye-bye. Baynes would come back for 1 more year and the rest of the roster is filled out with vet minimum players, players we draft this summer, Theis, Ojeleye, Williams, Wannamaker, etc.

Maybe one question that needs to be asked is, does Ainge want to go this route?

[gouki88]

Even though I've just about checked out on any hope of Kyrie coming back, I still think there's a slim possibility.

If Ainge were to still end up landing AD by offering Hayward, Brown and Tatum, I think Kyrie can be talked into coming back.

He'll probably only agree to a 1 +1 deal. HOWEVER, by having dealt 3 contracts to get AD and if Horford can restructure his deal, we would be in a very good position to re-sign both Ky and AD in the summer of 2020.

I'd also think the competition wouldn't be as stiff because the Knicks, Nets, Lakers and Clippers will all hopefully use up their existing cap space this summer.

It's a HUGE risk, but one I'm willing to take.

In this instance, you'd still have Smart and the Celts would probably re-sign Morris to be the starting SF. Rozier would go bye-bye. Baynes would come back for 1 more year and the rest of the roster is filled out with vet minimum players, players we draft this summer, Theis, Ojeleye, Williams, Wannamaker, etc.

That's an insane overpay

[gpap]

Even though I've just about checked out on any hope of Kyrie coming back, I still think there's a slim possibility.

If Ainge were to still end up landing AD by offering Hayward, Brown and Tatum, I think Kyrie can be talked into coming back.

He'll probably only agree to a 1 +1 deal. HOWEVER, by having dealt 3 contracts to get AD and if Horford can restructure his deal, we would be in a very good position to re-sign both Ky and AD in the summer of 2020.

I'd also think the competition wouldn't be as stiff because the Knicks, Nets, Lakers and Clippers will all hopefully use up their existing cap space this summer.

It's a HUGE risk, but one I'm willing to take.

In this instance, you'd still have Smart and the Celts would probably re-sign Morris to be the starting SF. Rozier would go bye-bye. Baynes would come back for 1 more year and the rest of the roster is filled out with vet minimum players, players we draft this summer, Theis, Ojeleye, Williams, Wannamaker, etc.

That's an insane overpay

Yes and no. I look at it as addition by subtraction. We rid ourselves of the Hayward albatross and the upcoming increases in Brown and Tatum's contracts. Also, I don't think Kyrie and Hayward had much chemistry on the court. If I had to guess, Kyrie would much rather come back if his teammates were Smart, Morris, Horford and AD as opposed to Hayward, Brown and Terry Rozier. Also, the hope would be you wouldn't have to give up as many draft picks (maybe just the Memphis one) and perhaps take back the Solomon Hill contract. Which means, we could keep all 3 for our 1st rounders this summer for roster filler. I would think this would get Griffin's attention. The competition for Davis is going to be stiff as I think they'll be MANY teams trying to vie for his services.

[Big333223]

I feel totally at peace with whatever Kyrie does.

I'd like to see him come back and learn from his mistakes in the locker room. On the court, he was phenomenal last season and well worth the max salary.

But if he doesn't come back, then I was wrong about him and he's the type of guy who will cut and run when he sees a little adversity and I don't want that guy on my team.

Basically, if he decides to come back, I'm happy, and if he decides to walk, I'm happy not to have him around.

Kind of in the same position right now. If we get Davis, I really want Kyrie back, but if there is no Davis, maybe going young and moving on from Kyrie, if he doesn't want to be here, is best for everyone.

It will suck because it just pushes getting the next title down the road a way, like maybe 5 years or more...maybe much more. If there is no Kyrie or Davis, I feel comfortable saying that.

Well, no Kyrie kicks off my nightmare dominos. No Kyrie probably means no trade for AD.  This probably puts LAL in the driver’s seat for AD.  Worst case would be KI leaves for LAL and then they pull off the AD trade.  In 2 seasons C’s and Lakers essentially swap places.

But again, to me, if Kyrie leaves that shows him to be the kind of player I wouldn't want on my team and I wouldn't fear him as much somewhere else. It would mean no AD but it would mean shifting focus onto players I still like a lot and I think it could be a lot of fun to see them take on a bigger role and grow. Plus, Ainge would be making moves.

I think the real worst case scenario is Kyrie signs a 1-and-1. Keeping him here but holding the team hostage. He would still be on the team but not committed. That would be the worst thing.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Even though I've just about checked out on any hope of Kyrie coming back, I still think there's a slim possibility.

If Ainge were to still end up landing AD by offering Hayward, Brown and Tatum, I think Kyrie can be talked into coming back.

He'll probably only agree to a 1 +1 deal. HOWEVER, by having dealt 3 contracts to get AD and if Horford can restructure his deal, we would be in a very good position to re-sign both Ky and AD in the summer of 2020.

I'd also think the competition wouldn't be as stiff because the Knicks, Nets, Lakers and Clippers will all hopefully use up their existing cap space this summer.

It's a HUGE risk, but one I'm willing to take.

In this instance, you'd still have Smart and the Celts would probably re-sign Morris to be the starting SF. Rozier would go bye-bye. Baynes would come back for 1 more year and the rest of the roster is filled out with vet minimum players, players we draft this summer, Theis, Ojeleye, Williams, Wannamaker, etc.

That's an insane overpay

Yes and no. I look at it as addition by subtraction. We rid ourselves of the Hayward albatross and the upcoming increases in Brown and Tatum's contracts. Also, I don't think Kyrie and Hayward had much chemistry on the court. If I had to guess, Kyrie would much rather come back if his teammates were Smart, Morris, Horford and AD as opposed to Hayward, Brown and Terry Rozier. Also, the hope would be you wouldn't have to give up as many draft picks (maybe just the Memphis one) and perhaps take back the Solomon Hill contract. Which means, we could keep all 3 for our 1st rounders this summer for roster filler. I would think this would get Griffin's attention. The competition for Davis is going to be stiff as I think they'll be MANY teams trying to vie for his services.

Ive come to realize that this is far too big of a gamble for a team I truly don’t even want. The most entertaining team to me was the ones where Brad Stevens was the star. There were obvious moments where you can see the team just decided to do their own things a lot. This also happened in the playoffs last year so it’s not completely Kyries fault.

What I will say is, I’ve been at peace with Kyrie leaving. Once I realized how truly unhappy I was with the team the whole year but was just in denial, opened my eyes. As incredible of a talent Kyrie is, it really is kind of ridiculous for anyone to think the young guys should have to sacrifice so much so early. These guys are still trying to find out what they can do at such a young age how are you going to ask them to sacrifice? Of all thing Kyrie as the veteran and obviously must skilled player should of been scouting his team to see what he needed to sacrifice in order to have the players around him be more effective.

My biggest fear was giving Kyrie a 5 year max knowing how he was not healthy to the development of the players whom were already here.

[Ogaju]

Ainge had an AD plan pre Kyrie, he probably should have stuck to that plan or should have gone with Kawhi. The Kyrie signing is a problem. He is not a leader, he is a polarizing figure and he seems to enjoy it. The problem with the NBA is the one and dones they want to leaf teams when they are not mature enough to lead their own lives.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Ainge had an AD plan pre Kyrie, he probably should have stuck to that plan or should have gone with Kawhi. The Kyrie signing is a problem. He is not a leader, he is a polarizing figure and he seems to enjoy it. The problem with the NBA is the one and dones they want to leaf teams when they are not mature enough to lead their own lives.

Which in a sense is why I’m really not 100% against Ainge still swinging a trade for AD. At least he’s here hoping we can at least grab him in FA next season without costing us much of anything. We shall see.

[SparzWizard]

Ainge had an AD plan pre Kyrie, he probably should have stuck to that plan or should have gone with Kawhi. The Kyrie signing is a problem. He is not a leader, he is a polarizing figure and he seems to enjoy it. The problem with the NBA is the one and dones they want to leaf teams when they are not mature enough to lead their own lives.

Ainge also knew he couldn't give the brinks truck to banged-up Isaiah Thomas and what better point-guard to arrive at that time than Kyrie Irving.

Swooped in and made that trade!