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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2019, 12:01:13 PM »

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I like the idea of Beal in green, but he makes 25M per year. The logistics of trading for him are about the same as trading for Davis. Who would you give up for him?

Wouldn't it take something like Brown, Smart, Yabusele to make it work? Is it worth it?

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #91 on: May 13, 2019, 12:03:57 PM »

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If that happens, I wait until 2021 for a go at Giannis, Beal, Oladipo, Lillard and others. Let Brown and Tatum grow and get better and dont rush anything. We will be far under the cap in 21 as well. Horford, Hayward off cap and wide open for potentially 2 big signings to join Tatum and Brown and whoever we get in draft the next two years. We will be more then alright no matter what happens. Just need to adjust our timeline for competing for a title. The last thing I do is watch Kyrie go and then trade Brown and Tatum. I am sure Danny has all the possible scenarios played out in his head.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2019, 12:22:02 PM »

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I like the idea of Beal in green, but he makes 25M per year. The logistics of trading for him are about the same as trading for Davis. Who would you give up for him?

Wouldn't it take something like Brown, Smart, Yabusele to make it work? Is it worth it?
Beal makes $25.4 million this year, $27 million next. So depending on what side of July first the trade happens, you need to match one of those salary figures.

That means if Kyrie and Horford head elsewhere, about the only trade that makes sense is sending Hayward for Beal, which most likely means sending a whole bunch of draft picks.

But that leaves you only Beal, the Jays, Smart, Williams and spare parts to have a team with. Just do not see why anyone would want Beal, a SG/wing when we have the Jays. Trading for Beal is nothing more than a slight upgrade over a healthy, Utah like Hayward.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #93 on: May 13, 2019, 12:33:35 PM »

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Please...no more expensive point guards
Please...no more wings fighting over shots

Just somehow, some way by hook or crook...build a front court

An above average center, but, ultimately match him with a power forward who plays defense and can score.

Brown and Tatum with the above and a point guard who is just happy to be here will be aok.

Great post!!  I agree...   TP!
The shift must now focus from stopping Golden State to stopping Giannis.  Okay stopping both. But Giannis cannot really be stopped.  Instead of stopping him he has to pay for coming into the paint.  Williams if he develops may help but he is skinny.  We need someone closer to Baynes heft but with athleticism as well....

I don't know who that would be.  But start improving the frontcourt mobility along with toughness.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #94 on: May 13, 2019, 01:07:50 PM »

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Bradley Beal or Andre Drummond.


I don't see either of those guys getting the Celts close to winning a title if there isn't already a MVP on the roster.

Drummond can't even stay on the floor at the end of a close game.
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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #95 on: May 13, 2019, 01:08:58 PM »

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I don't get why people want to get players who doesn't fit Red's philosophy of a franchise player. Stats are nice to look at. But do they impact winning?

Get players with high motor, high IQ and no ego regardless of their skillset. I'm sick of players who just watch opposing player burn our players on 3 pointers because of failing to recognize close outs and lazing around.

Who do you think meets those specifications?
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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #96 on: May 13, 2019, 01:15:55 PM »

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I like the idea of Beal in green, but he makes 25M per year. The logistics of trading for him are about the same as trading for Davis. Who would you give up for him?

Wouldn't it take something like Brown, Smart, Yabusele to make it work? Is it worth it?
Beal makes $25.4 million this year, $27 million next. So depending on what side of July first the trade happens, you need to match one of those salary figures.

That means if Kyrie and Horford head elsewhere, about the only trade that makes sense is sending Hayward for Beal, which most likely means sending a whole bunch of draft picks.

But that leaves you only Beal, the Jays, Smart, Williams and spare parts to have a team with. Just do not see why anyone would want Beal, a SG/wing when we have the Jays. Trading for Beal is nothing more than a slight upgrade over a healthy, Utah like Hayward.

Just a point of information. Is the reason that the 125% trade rule doesn't apply is because we're over the cap? Seems like Brown, Smart, Yabusele works otherwise. I'm unsure whether I would do such a deal, but at some point we need to consolidate the wing positions. Maybe.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #97 on: May 13, 2019, 01:23:21 PM »

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There are only a handful of guys that would help us win a championship. Go for one of those guys. Davis is one. Leonard is another.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #98 on: May 13, 2019, 03:18:51 PM »

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Please...no more expensive point guards
Please...no more wings fighting over shots

Just somehow, some way by hook or crook...build a front court

An above average center, but, ultimately match him with a power forward who plays defense and can score.

Brown and Tatum with the above and a point guard who is just happy to be here will be aok.

Great post!!  I agree...   TP!
The shift must now focus from stopping Golden State to stopping Giannis.  Okay stopping both. But Giannis cannot really be stopped.  Instead of stopping him he has to pay for coming into the paint.  Williams if he develops may help but he is skinny.  We need someone closer to Baynes heft but with athleticism as well....

I don't know who that would be.  But start improving the frontcourt mobility along with toughness.

There are alternative options.  Ever seen the movie Celtic Pride?
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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #99 on: May 13, 2019, 03:22:21 PM »

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As frustrating as it is. There probably will not be an immediate target.
If Beal price is coming down maybe him.
If the bucks lose in the finals ... overpay their role players to bring them back and lose again next year .... I can se Giannis be the target. When he will be a FA we might have clean books ... no Horford and no Hayward in 2 years... with 2 young up and coming stars and 2-3 young role players under team control.
I don’t see the need to get someone unless we can get two or even 3 stars at the same time ..
If wizards , pistons and thunder are hitting the reset button we can throw the Js plus 5-6 picks for :

Beal, griffin , George plus Horford and smart .... might be impossible to match salaries though

Beal is probably the only one thats makes sense

there is Conley Jr. but his injuries are worrisome

If Celts can get Beal..... sign Kanter 

Kanter
Tatum
Hayward
Brown
Beal

Bench
Smart

I would roll with this lineup ... could be Portlandesque

Not a bad idea at all. Beal and Kanter would be welcomed additions.

Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2019, 03:30:18 PM »

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No way Washington is trading Beal to us..they dont like us plus same division
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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2019, 03:56:06 PM »

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Honestly, I would bring in Kemba and Rondo.

Kemba is a great player that is more moldable to being a team player and Rondo with our 2nd unit would allow people to be in their correct places... could also help groom the young guys

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« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2019, 04:21:27 PM »

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Honestly, I would bring in Kemba and Rondo.

Kemba is a great player that is more moldable to being a team player and Rondo with our 2nd unit would allow people to be in their correct places... could also help groom the young guys


How are you bringing in Kemba?  Where are you getting the cap space?

I don't think there's any sense in bringing on Rondo.
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Re: If Kyrie Leaves & No AD Trade, Who Is the Next Target?
« Reply #103 on: May 14, 2019, 12:36:59 AM »

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How are you bringing in Kemba?  Where are you getting the cap space?

I don't think there's any sense in bringing on Rondo.

Unless I'm missing something, when we traded for Kyrie the hope was to have him here long term... paying him a max salary.

If Kyrie wants out then the path to the max salary that we were going to use pay him should still be available to max out someone else - in this case I'm proposing Kemba. If this is not the case then how was re-signing Kyrie ever in the plans?

With Rondo, we need a smart floor general that is primarily a facilitator on the second unit and he's good with young teams... the Bulls and Lakers rave about his impact

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« Reply #104 on: May 14, 2019, 12:45:51 AM »

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How are you bringing in Kemba?  Where are you getting the cap space?

I don't think there's any sense in bringing on Rondo.

Unless I'm missing something, when we traded for Kyrie the hope was to have him here long term... paying him a max salary.

If Kyrie wants out then the path to the max salary that we were going to use pay him should still be available to max out someone else - in this case I'm proposing Kemba. If this is not the case then how was re-signing Kyrie ever in the plans?

With Rondo, we need a smart floor general that is primarily a facilitator on the second unit and he's good with young teams... the Bulls and Lakers rave about his impact
Nah, that's not how it works sadly. We are already over the cap. I believe we can go over the cap because we have Kyrie's Bird Rights (thanks Larry).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

This should help you get your head around the annoying NBA salary rules, lol.
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