The real problem with the Celtics

[KGBirdBias]

Kyrie's attitude, demeanor is cancerous. Plain and simple that's the real problem no one wants to say it though because fans want to keep him.

His approach and body language to the game and team is glaring. This is a dispirited bunch and they haven't won a game since beating Philly and Detroit. I wonder why

[Silky]

Kyrie's attitude, demeanor is cancerous. Plain and simple that's the real problem no one wants to say it though because fans want to keep him.

His approach and body language to the game and team is glaring. This is a dispirited bunch and they haven't won a game since beating Philly and Detroit. I wonder why?

I'm sure the mods will lock or delete this post. It's a pattern. If you critic Kyrie, it's a problem but we can all see the real problem.

I dont think Kyrie demeanour when losing a game badly is the cause of the teams failures

If everyones ego is that hurt by someone being p---ed off at their bad play then they should all go work at a daycare or something.

Teams problems in no real order are

Rozier-sucking but playing for a big contract
Morris-see above
No center
Hayward-suck suck suck suck
Horford-aging
Stevens-trying to keep 10 mouths fed
Ainge-being blinded by davis.

Trading as much as what is rumored for davis will cripple the team and good luck getting the amount of assets we currently have back again after.

[KGBirdBias]

Here's the problem with all those points. You don't see those when he's not around the team or on the court. You are pointing to all role players that are 4th or 5th in the pecking order.

That's an easy excuse but I've seen this team play more together and it looks totally different. Everyone's moving faster and seem to play with more joy.

[KGBirdBias]

The problems have nothing to do with Ainge or AD.

Ainge put together a good roster. The media is trying to break up the Celtics by constantly planting false stories.

If Rozier didn't play we still lose, so the problem isn't Rozier. Baynes is important, but he doesn't control the ball or have that great of an impact. This is a lifeless team because the leader doesn't know what it takes to lead people. It's always about him and his mood.

[Green-18]

The responsibility falls on everyone for the Celtics' struggles.  Perhaps we should assign more blame to Kyrie for the recent struggles (last month or so), but do we also place more of the blame on the young guys for the 10-10 start?  Maybe Brad Stevens is next in line if things get worse.  In some ways the media narratives have become a self fulfilling prophecy.

The young guys likely believe they are better without Kyrie at this point.  This is a problem because perception is reality.  Long story short, the Celtics real issues are mental.   

This team needs some sort of event or outside factor to rally around.  Where this comes from, I don't have the slightest clue. 


 

[Who]

His me-first attitude detracts from the team environment.

[Who]

This is a lifeless team because the leader doesn't know what it takes to lead people. It's always about him and his mood.

I remember Bill Russell talking about leadership and the difference of taking people with you vs dragging them with you. Enabling them and creating a team environment vs making it all about yourself.

Kyrie drags his teammates with you. Tries to pull them up. A lot of players do that. Kobe Bryant did that. Kyrie is in the same mold as Kobe in terms of leadership. Both players try to take over and score lots of points by themselves whenever something isn't going right.

When it works, Kyrie gets lots of attention because he has scored a lot of points and dragged his team to victory. When it fails, well it fails. He tried his best and rarely gets blamed unless he shot the ball terribly.

But either way, Kyrie (Kobe) took his teammates out of their rhythm / comfort zone & ability to impact the game themselves. Doesn't matter whether it Kyrie scored enough to make it work ... either way, he has made it harder on his teammates because he is trying to drag them along behind him rather than do it together as a team (take them with him) .

[KGBirdBias]

This is a lifeless team because the leader doesn't know what it takes to lead people. It's always about him and his mood.

I remember Bill Russell talking about leadership and the difference of taking people with you vs dragging them with you. Enabling them and creating a team environment vs making it all about yourself.

Kyrie drags his teammates with you. Tries to pull them up. A lot of players do that. Kobe Bryant did that. Kyrie is in the same mold as Kobe in terms of leadership. Both players try to take over and score lots of points by themselves whenever something isn't going right.

When it works, Kyrie gets lots of attention because he has scored a lot of points and dragged his team to victory. When it fails, well it fails. He tried his best and rarely gets blamed unless he shot the ball terribly.

But either way, Kyrie (Kobe) took his teammates out of their rhythm / comfort zone & ability to impact the game themselves. Doesn't matter whether it Kyrie scored enough to make it work ... either way, he has made it harder on his teammates because he is trying to drag them along behind him rather than do it together as a team (take them with him) .

Great observation and I think you're spot on.

[MaxAMillion]

Kyrie's attitude, demeanor is cancerous. Plain and simple that's the real problem no one wants to say it though because fans want to keep him.

His approach and body language to the game and team is glaring. This is a dispirited bunch and they haven't won a game since beating Philly and Detroit. I wonder why

Why wasn’t his personality cancerous last year when they were winning 16 in a row? If his personality kept the team from winning, it would have happened last year as well.

[Erik]

How many Kyrie bashing threads do you plan on making? Can we just have one superthread that you guys can comment in so the rest of us don’t have to see it? Seriously are the other 30 threads not enough??

[KGBirdBias]

Kyrie's attitude, demeanor is cancerous. Plain and simple that's the real problem no one wants to say it though because fans want to keep him.

His approach and body language to the game and team is glaring. This is a dispirited bunch and they haven't won a game since beating Philly and Detroit. I wonder why

Why wasn’t his personality cancerous last year when they were winning 16 in a row? If his personality kept the team from winning, it would have happened last year as well.

Please stop. That was so long ago. No one even knew what Tatum or Brown were at that point. Everyone bought in to getting better.

Now, the team has seen him not come and support them in game 7, his pending FA has him with one foot out the door. He's not committed and he's not a Celtics like Antoine Walker said. IT loved being a Celtic..he's a rental.

[Celtics4ever]

I think the whole team is devoid of Celtic's Pride.   Everyone is trying to toot their own horn and very few, if any, care about the team as a whole.

I foresee a rebuild in our future.

[KGBirdBias]

How many Kyrie bashing threads do you plan on making? Can we just have one superthread that you guys can comment in so the rest of us don’t have to see it? Seriously are the other 30 threads not enough??

Not enough because most still want to blame Morris and Rozier. Give me a break.

[Erik]

How many Kyrie bashing threads do you plan on making? Can we just have one superthread that you guys can comment in so the rest of us don’t have to see it? Seriously are the other 30 threads not enough??

Not enough because most still want to blame Morris and Rozier. Give me a break.

So the first 30 didn’t work, and your strategy to win the masses over is “I think Kyrie has a bad attitude.” Gotcha. Good plan.

[MaxAMillion]

Kyrie's attitude, demeanor is cancerous. Plain and simple that's the real problem no one wants to say it though because fans want to keep him.

His approach and body language to the game and team is glaring. This is a dispirited bunch and they haven't won a game since beating Philly and Detroit. I wonder why

Why wasn’t his personality cancerous last year when they were winning 16 in a row? If his personality kept the team from winning, it would have happened last year as well.

Please stop. That was so long ago. No one even knew what Tatum or Brown were at that point. Everyone bought in to getting better.

Now, the team has seen him not come and support them in game 7, his pending FA has him with one foot out the door. He's not committed and he's not a Celtics like Antoine Walker said. IT loved being a Celtic..he's a rental.

If his personality was keeping the team from winning then they would not have won last year. Last season doesn’t fit with your narrative so you want to ignore it. Hell it was reported some players didn’t like having to give up minutes to Hayward...how come that isn’t a problem?