tobias harris to philly in 6 player deal

[liam]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

He was better in the playoffs last year.

[Fierce1]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

Let's put it this way, the Clips are reportedly on the list of teams AD will commit long term.
If that's the case then why didn't the Clippers offer Toby Harris and other pieces to the Pels for AD?

The Pels reportedly want Jayson Tatum.

I think it's very clear that the Pels see a superstar in Jayson Tatum.

[nickagneta]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

He will be. He isn't yet but not by much.

[tazzmaniac]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

Let's put it this way, the Clips are reportedly on the list of teams AD will commit long term.
If that's the case then why didn't the Clippers offer Toby Harris and other pieces to the Pels for AD?

The Pels reportedly want Jayson Tatum.

I think it's very clear that the Pels see a superstar in Jayson Tatum.

Harris will be an unrestricted free agent who will get Max or near-Max offers.  It would be very unlikely that he would re-sign with the Pels.  Tatum is on the 2nd season of his rookie contract so the Pels would have him for 5 or 6 years.

[celticsclay]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

Let's put it this way, the Clips are reportedly on the list of teams AD will commit long term.
If that's the case then why didn't the Clippers offer Toby Harris and other pieces to the Pels for AD?

The Pels reportedly want Jayson Tatum.

I think it's very clear that the Pels see a superstar in Jayson Tatum.

Harris will be an unrestricted free agent who will get Max or near-Max offers.  It would be very unlikely that he would re-sign with the Pels.  Tatum is on the 2nd season of his rookie contract so the Pels would have him for 5 or 6 years.

Is this only difference? The contracts?

[tazzmaniac]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

Let's put it this way, the Clips are reportedly on the list of teams AD will commit long term.
If that's the case then why didn't the Clippers offer Toby Harris and other pieces to the Pels for AD?

The Pels reportedly want Jayson Tatum.

I think it's very clear that the Pels see a superstar in Jayson Tatum.

Harris will be an unrestricted free agent who will get Max or near-Max offers.  It would be very unlikely that he would re-sign with the Pels.  Tatum is on the 2nd season of his rookie contract so the Pels would have him for 5 or 6 years.

Is this only difference? The contracts?

From the perspective of trading with the Pels, the contracts are the only difference that matters.  A few month rental has little value to the Pels no matter how talented the player is.  Now if the Pels could have somehow traded for Harris months ago in an attempt to keep AD that would have been a different story. 

[keevsnick]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

He will be. He isn't yet but not by much.

To me he (Harris) is clearly better this year, maybe not by a huge amount but by a decent amount. 53rd in the league in RPM vs 102nd for Tatum.  60.5 TS% vs 55.5 TS%. 1.6 BPM vs -.2 BPM. 1.7 VORP vs .8 VORP. Higher Assist %, higher Rebound %, higher win shares. Now of course Tatum is 20, with probably six years of team control after this one (2 rookie scale 4 extension) whereas Harris is a free agent, so trade wise Tatum is much more valuable. But Harris is really good.

[keevsnick]

For those interested on Harris vs Morris its 60.5 TS% vs 61.0 TS%, 53rd RPM vs 93rd RPM, 1.6 BPM vs 0.0 BPM, 1.7 VORP vs .7 VORP, 5.4 WS vs 4.1 WS (although WS/48 are slight edge Morris), 23.6 USG vs 21.0 USG, 12.6% ASSIST% vs 7.7%.


Or in short advanced number have Morris/Tatum more or less even, and Harris out ahead. 

[Who]

Harris will be an unrestricted free agent who will get Max or near-Max offers.

Not really about this comment ... just thinking about Tobias' payday

I was thinking yesterday that this was a bad trade for Tobias Harris. I think his production is gonna take a big hit going to Philly. Not going to get as much time on the ball. As much PnRs. As much shots. And with that falling production, I think his big payday could take a major hit this summer. I feel sorry for him.

So I think there is a good chance Philly won't have to pay him as much as everyone expects right now.

[saltlover]

Harris will be an unrestricted free agent who will get Max or near-Max offers.

Not really about this comment ... just thinking about Tobias' payday

I was thinking yesterday that this was a bad trade for Tobias Harris. I think his production is gonna take a big hit going to Philly. Not going to get as much time on the ball. As much PnRs. As much shots. And with that falling production, I think his big payday could take a major hit this summer. I feel sorry for him.

So I think there is a good chance Philly won't have to pay him as much as everyone expects right now.

There’s a lot of money out there this summer, and a lot of teams who are itching to make a move, especially if Golden State breaks up.  I think Harris will still get his.  Maybe not the full 30% max, but between the 25% and 30% numbers at worse.

[Androslav]

Is Tobias Harris a better player than Morris Sr?

is Jayson Tatum a better player than Tobias Harris?

He will be. He isn't yet but not by much.

Morris is more comperable on per minute basis and efficiency.
Except Morris has 18% higher 3pt attempt rate, which is a lot.

[Who]

Tobias Harris vs Marcus Morris vs Jayson Tatum

Tobias Harris has the most refined offensive game of the trio. He is better off the dribble, can create for his teammates as well as himself which neither Tatum or Morris do. Harris has a better shot profile than Tatum.

Both Morris and Tatum are much better defensively than Harris though. Harris is a subpar defender. Morris is solid. Tatum above average.

Harris the best rebounder of the bunch. I think Tatum is the most talented rebounder but he doesn't put in enough effort on the boards to make full use of his rebounding gifts.

I'd look at this way, I think Tobias Harris would do the most to help his team in a situation where he is the main guy and gets lots of touches. A situation that helps him show his superior offensive game.

On a team where these guys would get less offensive opportunities, I think Morris and Tatum would offer more because of their superior defensive quality. Which in this case, is exactly the situation Tobias Harris finds himself in in Philly -- which is why I do not see him making much of a difference there. He is a guy who needs the ball in his hands to improve his teams.

[tazzmaniac]

Tobias Harris vs Marcus Morris vs Jayson Tatum

Tobias Harris has the most refined offensive game of the trio. He is better off the dribble, can create for his teammates as well as himself which neither Tatum or Morris do. Harris has a better shot profile than Tatum.

Both Morris and Tatum are much better defensively than Harris though. Harris is a subpar defender. Morris is solid. Tatum above average.

Harris the best rebounder of the bunch. I think Tatum is the most talented rebounder but he doesn't put in enough effort on the boards to make full use of his rebounding gifts.

I'd look at this way, I think Tobias Harris would do the most to help his team in a situation where he is the main guy and gets lots of touches. A situation that helps him show his superior offensive game.

On a team where these guys would get less offensive opportunities, I think Morris and Tatum would offer more because of their superior defensive quality. Which in this case, is exactly the situation Tobias Harris finds himself in in Philly -- which is why I do not see him making much of a difference there. He is a guy who needs the ball in his hands to improve his teams.

Harris doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective and he most certainly shouldn't be the main guy on offense if you want your team to be a strong playoff team.  Embiid is a high usage guy but Harris, Butler, Redick and Simmons are 75th and lower in usage of players who play 30 minutes or more with usage rates between 21% and 23%.  The Sixers should be able to offset their minutes to ensure at least 3 of the 5 are always on the court.  If all 5 are on court, there is no where to hide a weak defender.  How effective is Irving going to be when he's having to chase Redick through screens all game?  As for defense, Butler and Simmons are good defenders so Harris being slightly below average defensively shouldn't be a big deal for them. 

Harris is a big upgrade offensively over Chandler and is at least as good defensively.  He also helps mitigate the Sixers bench issues because he averages 8 more minutes played and he's played in every game so far while Chandler has missed 18 games and is out again the next 2 to 3 weeks. 
 

[ederson]

If all 5 are on court, there is no where to hide a weak defender.  How effective is Irving going to be when he's having to chase Redick through screens all game?

It certainly going to be a problem but same holds for the sixers....Where are they going to hide JJ on defense? KI will have a party and Smart will keep posting him until long after the game

[Phantom255x]

If all 5 are on court, there is no where to hide a weak defender.  How effective is Irving going to be when he's having to chase Redick through screens all game?

It certainly going to be a problem but same holds for the sixers....Where are they going to hide JJ on defense? KI will have a party and Smart will keep posting him until long after the game

Also, the Sixers still don't have an answer for Kyrie IMHO. And without a shot Simmons remains a liability on offense especially late in games. That makes a big difference.