tobias harris to philly in 6 player deal

[hwangjini_1]

not a good thing for the celtics on a number of fronts.

the evil sixers get better. they needed a shooter and got one, a good one.

it probably pushes the Clippers out of the playoffs. they seem to have surrended this year. bad for the celtics pick from them.

adding to the above, this trade could push the Kings into the playoffs as they leap frog LAC.

i think the top four teams in the east may now be quite comparable (better?) than the top four teams out west.

[keevsnick]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

[tonydelk]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

Wow good breakdown.  If I was a philly fan and read your post I'd be ready to jump of a bridge.  It just puts things in to perspective to the rebuild.  Philly has has more high picks then Boston, A ton of cap space for years, Just as many picks and that's what they end up with.  That's disheartening for Philly. 

[Surferdad]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

Wow good breakdown.  If I was a philly fan and read your post I'd be ready to jump of a bridge.  It just puts things in to perspective to the rebuild.  Philly has has more high picks then Boston, A ton of cap space for years, Just as many picks and that's what they end up with.  That's disheartening for Philly.

It is.  What has The Process gotten them? Embiid, that's it.  He is the only one who could end up being a generational-type talent, and even that is not guaranteed with his injury history.

[Monkhouse]

Jerry West is a shrewd GM. Probably one of the best. He did 7 things which screwed us immitedly.

1. Made the Kinngs playoffs path easier, which will make the kings pick worth less, less value for an AD trade...

2. Clippers pick will stay with clippers if they miss playoffs, taking it off the table for celtics to use in an AD trade (I'm aware it will convey later, but later is too late when AD is being shopped now)

3. Trading Harris to an eastern contender in Philly is an attempt to mitigate a deep playoff rum. Adds to probable chance Kawhi may bolt.

4. If Philly beats down on the celtics, you can bet they might stray away from AD too, hell the clippers could even snatch kyrie from them (he was drafted off their pick, fun fact)

5. The clippers trading harris for assets means they dont have to worry about maxing him and they now have 2 max FA spots entirely for 2019 free agency

6. They have a boatload of assets, and if things go right, can pull a competitive package for Anthony Davis

7. Part of 6, but notice they kept gallinari, he is an expiring next year and all they need to match salary filler for AD

[RJ87]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

Wow good breakdown.  If I was a philly fan and read your post I'd be ready to jump of a bridge.  It just puts things in to perspective to the rebuild.  Philly has has more high picks then Boston, A ton of cap space for years, Just as many picks and that's what they end up with.  That's disheartening for Philly.

It is.  What has The Process gotten them? Embiid, that's it.  He is the only one who could end up being a generational-type talent, and even that is not guaranteed with his injury history.

This feels like a bit of sour grapes. They have 3 legitimate All-Stars now. Tobias Harris is near All-Star level. And they could potentially keep the core together for several years: Joel Embiid is 24, Ben Simmons is 22, Tobias Harris is 26, Jimmy Butler is 29. Yes it'll be expensive, but they get can pieces to fill out the team around them via buyout this year and with exceptions this offseason. If Fultz ever shows anything, you can potentially trade him.

[bdm860]

Jerry West is a shrewd GM. Probably one of the best. He did 7 things which screwed us immitedly.

1. Made the Kinngs playoffs path easier, which will make the kings pick worth less, less value for an AD trade...

2. Clippers pick will stay with clippers if they miss playoffs, taking it off the table for celtics to use in an AD trade (I'm aware it will convey later, but later is too late when AD is being shopped now)

3. Trading Harris to an eastern contender in Philly is an attempt to mitigate a deep playoff rum. Adds to probable chance Kawhi may bolt.

4. If Philly beats down on the celtics, you can bet they might stray away from AD too, hell the clippers could even snatch kyrie from them (he was drafted off their pick, fun fact)

5. The clippers trading harris for assets means they dont have to worry about maxing him and they now have 2 max FA spots entirely for 2019 free agency

6. They have a boatload of assets, and if things go right, can pull a competitive package for Anthony Davis

7. Part of 6, but notice they kept gallinari, he is an expiring next year and all they need to match salary filler for AD

Either you're stealing people's Reddit comments, or I know your Reddit handle.

#4 is wrong.

If the C's get beat down, why would they stray away from AD?  Wouldn't it only show they need him more?

In fact, I think it's the exact opposite, if the C's cruise to the Finals (and hopefully even win a championship) it would show they don't really need AD that much.  But if they get beat down early, it shows Tatum/Brown/whoever ain't cutting it, and they need AD bad.

The last part of #4 is true though, if the C's do get beat down, it could cause Kyrie to split.

[Phantom255x]

I love Harris and think he's underrated. With that said, if Butler, Simmons and Harris are part of a team's Big 4 with a super thin bench going long term, I think that's a win for us until Simmons learns how to shoot and Butler quits his evident diva-like attitude.

[Surferdad]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

Wow good breakdown.  If I was a philly fan and read your post I'd be ready to jump of a bridge.  It just puts things in to perspective to the rebuild.  Philly has has more high picks then Boston, A ton of cap space for years, Just as many picks and that's what they end up with.  That's disheartening for Philly.

It is.  What has The Process gotten them? Embiid, that's it.  He is the only one who could end up being a generational-type talent, and even that is not guaranteed with his injury history.

This feels like a bit of sour grapes. They have 3 legitimate All-Stars now. Tobias Harris is near All-Star level. And they could potentially keep the core together for several years: Joel Embiid is 24, Ben Simmons is 22, Tobias Harris is 26, Jimmy Butler is 29. Yes it'll be expensive, but they get can pieces to fill out the team around them via buyout this year and with exceptions this offseason. If Fultz ever shows anything, you can potentially trade him.

Not sour grapes at all.  It's just that I apparently have a different assessment than you do of the pieces they have around Embiid.

[Monkhouse]

Jerry West is a shrewd GM. Probably one of the best. He did 7 things which screwed us immitedly.

1. Made the Kinngs playoffs path easier, which will make the kings pick worth less, less value for an AD trade...

2. Clippers pick will stay with clippers if they miss playoffs, taking it off the table for celtics to use in an AD trade (I'm aware it will convey later, but later is too late when AD is being shopped now)

3. Trading Harris to an eastern contender in Philly is an attempt to mitigate a deep playoff rum. Adds to probable chance Kawhi may bolt.

4. If Philly beats down on the celtics, you can bet they might stray away from AD too, hell the clippers could even snatch kyrie from them (he was drafted off their pick, fun fact)

5. The clippers trading harris for assets means they dont have to worry about maxing him and they now have 2 max FA spots entirely for 2019 free agency

6. They have a boatload of assets, and if things go right, can pull a competitive package for Anthony Davis

7. Part of 6, but notice they kept gallinari, he is an expiring next year and all they need to match salary filler for AD

Either you're stealing people's Reddit comments, or I know your Reddit handle.

#4 is wrong.

If the C's get beat down, why would they stray away from AD?  Wouldn't it only show they need him more?

In fact, I think it's the exact opposite, if the C's cruise to the Finals (and hopefully even win a championship) it would show they don't really need AD that much.  But if they get beat down early, it shows Tatum/Brown/whoever ain't cutting it, and they need AD bad.

The last part of #4 is true though, if the C's do get beat down, it could cause Kyrie to split.

Yeah I took it from my friend's reddit, was gonna post the user name, but my mobile doesn't seem to allow me to embed quotes lol.

It could certainly cause some concern on that end though. Kyrie also might be disgruntled, and request more help, or probably make some demands.

[liam]

I love Harris and think he's underrated. With that said, if Butler, Simmons and Harris are part of a team's Big 4 with a super thin bench going long term, I think that's a win for us until Simmons learns how to shoot and Butler quits his evident diva-like attitude.

It's a good add. The Sixers needed shooting, badly. I don't see any players that can guard small quick guards. The Sixers really needed a defensive upgrade.

[RJ87]

My first reaction is say goodbye t that first round pick this year. I don't think that's a gigantic lost, a pick projected at 18 in what is considered a pretty terrible draft depth wise is not going to kill us. I have no idea what the draft looks like in 2020, but if rumors are correct and Kawhi signs there it should be a playoff team and convey. But maybe not. The only thing the Clips are really giving up is the opportunity to overpay Tobias Harris in the summer, nd they keep their pick.

Second reaction is much like the Knicks they traded a guy the Pelicans wouldn't want for stuff they might. LAC19 is similar in value to SAC19, they have that PHI pick which is equivalent to  one of ours, they have that MIA2021, not as good as MEM but similar upside. They have SGA, a nice young player, Harrel, and some other stuff. If they continue the sell off and pick up some pick for Beverly, Gallinar, ect they coulld make a nice package.

Third reaction is Harris is gonna get whatever contract he wants from PHIL, can you imagine trading all that for him and then NOT resigning him? Harris is gonna have aa ton of leverage with that organization in a year when there's a lot o money flying around.

Last reaction is PHI is now REALLLLY thin, must think they can grab some buy out guys. If they resign Butler and Harris they are out cap space, and have no more surplus picks. So the fruit of the rebuild is Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Harris and Fultz. for better or worse.

Wow good breakdown.  If I was a philly fan and read your post I'd be ready to jump of a bridge.  It just puts things in to perspective to the rebuild.  Philly has has more high picks then Boston, A ton of cap space for years, Just as many picks and that's what they end up with.  That's disheartening for Philly.

It is.  What has The Process gotten them? Embiid, that's it.  He is the only one who could end up being a generational-type talent, and even that is not guaranteed with his injury history.

This feels like a bit of sour grapes. They have 3 legitimate All-Stars now. Tobias Harris is near All-Star level. And they could potentially keep the core together for several years: Joel Embiid is 24, Ben Simmons is 22, Tobias Harris is 26, Jimmy Butler is 29. Yes it'll be expensive, but they get can pieces to fill out the team around them via buyout this year and with exceptions this offseason. If Fultz ever shows anything, you can potentially trade him.

Not sour grapes at all.  It's just that I apparently have a different assessment than you do of the pieces they have around Embiid.

It's not an assessment. Ben Simmons is an All-Star, that is a fact. Jimmy Butler is a 4-time All-Star, that is a fact.

[fairweatherfan]

Thinking about matchups - let's say we decide to keep Smart in the lineup but promote Brown as Morris' shooting fades.  Simmons/Redick/Butler/Harris/Embiid vs Kyrie/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford, who guards who?

My feeling is for us:

Kyrie on Redick
Smart on Butler
Brown on Harris
Tatum on Simmons
Horford on Embiid

Man, they're big! The other way seems trickier. Something like:

Butler on Kyrie
Redick on Smart (shooter vs shooter!  )
Harris on Brown
Simmons on Tatum
Embiid on Horford

Then on the bench it's like Rozier/McConnell, Baynes/Boban, Hayward/Korkmaz I guess?, Morris/Mike Scott? The ghost of Corey Brewer?

[Monkhouse]

I have to think it would be hard to re-sign both Butler and Harris, when taking into Butler was complaining about his role/touches. Brand basically went ahead and shoot his shot, hoping both of them would stick, but it's gonna be a lot of money tied up with no ample space for above average role players.

Honestly... 76ers should've gone after Mike Conley, and the Grizzlies probably would've taken less. Throwing in Shamet was weird for an expiring FA.

Conley
Butler
Simmons
Chandler
Embiid

Seems like a pretty solid all around team with passing/defenders/shooting.

[RJ87]

Thinking about matchups - let's say we decide to keep Smart in the lineup but promote Brown as Morris' shooting fades.  Simmons/Redick/Butler/Harris/Embiid vs Kyrie/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford, who guards who?

My feeling is for us:

Kyrie on Redick
Smart on Butler
Brown on Harris
Tatum on Simmons
Horford on Embiid

Man, they're big! The other way seems trickier. Something like:

Butler on Kyrie
Redick on Smart (shooter vs shooter!  )
Harris on Brown
Simmons on Tatum
Embiid on Horford

Then on the bench it's like Rozier/McConnell, Baynes/Boban, Hayward/Korkmaz I guess?, Morris/Mike Scott? The ghost of Corey Brewer?

I think the bench thing is overblown. I assume they'll stagger minutes and they can theoretically keep two of their core four on the floor at all times.