Gordon starting to turn the corner?

[Silky]

Obviously a very good night tonight.  I'm really starting to think the team should just bench Rozier and let Hayward completely run the second unit.

Not just bench him. Trade Rozier and Morris.

Both players don't really fit in the team. Morris has been shooting very well and Rozier is a good back-up starter, but they take shots away from the guys that need it. They're both ball stoppers and aren't as good on defense as they theoretically could.
 
Rozier could go to Orlando (with Yabusele) and Morris to Utah and get Vucevic in return. I'm getting worried about Baynes his injuries. So another starting center would be a good addition to the team. We also have to keep up with our competitiors. Philly adds Harris, we take Vucevic.

YES, at this point in time trading for Vuc puts us back as clear ECF favorites.

And moving forward if Al opts out, resigning him at a reduced price and bringing him off bench works if we still trade for Davis, as a Davis/Vucevic front court would be absolutely lethal.

[celticinorlando]

Been saying it for a bit...Hayward needs to be the PG with the second unit. Terry struggles and looks for his own shot.

And Terry is a poor defender. Sexton busted his ass last night

[cman88]

Last night just confirms my opinion that alot of haywards production is due to lack of minutes/shots.

It's hard to get in a rhythm when you play 25 minutes and are relegated to 5 shot attempts because most of the time you are asked to stand in a corner.

Not sure why they dont have Hayward handle the ball and have rozier play off the ball.

Clearly he is a better playmaker. Rozier has tunnel vision

[Big333223]

I know he's had nights when he's scored more but I think Hayward might have had his best game of the season last night.

[Silky]

Last night just confirms my opinion that alot of haywards production is due to lack of minutes/shots.

It's hard to get in a rhythm when you play 25 minutes and are relegated to 5 shot attempts because most of the time you are asked to stand in a corner.

Not sure why they dont have Hayward handle the ball and have rozier play off the ball.

Clearly he is a better playmaker. Rozier has tunnel vision

you may be right, a deal of Rozier and morris for Vucevic would go a long way to resolving that issue.

Bench of
Wannamaker
Brown
Hayward
Theis
Baynes

that will allow both Brown and Hayward alot more shots as Wannamaker/Theis/Baynes all would take less than Rozier and Morris

[johnnygreen]

Last night just confirms my opinion that alot of haywards production is due to lack of minutes/shots.

It's hard to get in a rhythm when you play 25 minutes and are relegated to 5 shot attempts because most of the time you are asked to stand in a corner.

Not sure why they dont have Hayward handle the ball and have rozier play off the ball.

Clearly he is a better playmaker. Rozier has tunnel vision

I totally agree. Rozier seems more concerned about his scoring numbers and his next contract. I think it's almost time to get Hayward back into the starting lineup. I think he would benefit from the ball movement on that first unit, and touch the ball more consistently.

[Irish Stew]

3) It's not hard to create a reasonable scenario where Terry is our starting point guard next season, I want to continue his growth as a player.

What growth are you seeing?

I believe, and from previous comments you have made, you probably believe that Rozier the starter is a totally different player from Rozier the rotation player, but you can't yo-yo him from 30+ minutes one night to 0 minutes the next. It just doesn't make sense to me.  The general sentiment on this site is that Kyrie will be with us next year and a possible move to New York is all hype and hot air. I certainly hope that sentiment is true and it would at that point be reasonable to move on from Terry, but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and say that I'm sure that Kyrie will never leave us. The only place that Kyrie is reliable is on the court. If Kyrie leaves and Rozier is gone, we have a hole at the point guard position you could drive a truck through. I'm also bewildered that people believe that Gordon's good games against Cleveland, Atlanta, and the Knicks have any real meaning when the real season starts. His performance in these games is more equivalent to garbage time points than to anything more significant related to his recovery. I'd love to be wrong, but it's more likely than not that Gordon remains a liability at both ends of the court against good teams this season. It's also a possibility that he never really regains his former athleticism, which would be really sad.

[RodyTur10]

Last night just confirms my opinion that alot of haywards production is due to lack of minutes/shots.

It's hard to get in a rhythm when you play 25 minutes and are relegated to 5 shot attempts because most of the time you are asked to stand in a corner.

Not sure why they dont have Hayward handle the ball and have rozier play off the ball.

Clearly he is a better playmaker. Rozier has tunnel vision

you may be right, a deal of Rozier and morris for Vucevic would go a long way to resolving that issue.

Bench of
Wannamaker
Brown
Hayward
Theis
Baynes

that will allow both Brown and Hayward alot more shots as Wannamaker/Theis/Baynes all would take less than Rozier and Morris

I think we two are pretty much on the same line. TP.

Another benefit from that line up is that it's bigger. Theis is a good player, but when he is the only big on the court he faces the same troubles as Horford often does. Being the player that needs to contain a drive and protect the rim and having noone around to pick up their man, who usually gets the offensive rebound for an easy lay-up.

[tstorey_97]

Hayward and Rozier are an interesting statistical comparison this year.

Hayward, obviously is a higher tier player than Rozier, but, Rozier's playoff performance last year and his stats in his 9 starts this year get him off the bench and into being a starter on a lesser team.

Hayward - 1263 mins FG % 41.6 Three pt % 31.4  Reb 224 Turnovers 73
Rozier - 1244 mins FG % 38.1  Three pt % 35.4 Reb 225 Turnovers 50

Rozier's numbers as a starter are better than Hayward's above, but Rozier is not a starter and will be playing elsewhere next year.

Ainge will not trade him because he doesn't need to.

In my estimation, the crew of Hayward, Brown and Rozier are playing really well now and I think they are helping each other. This is why. Those three players have complementary talents and Ainge and Stevens know it.

Those three players might be the one shot this team has of being competitive against Golden State.

Talk to any NBA coach or exec.

Hayward
Brown
Rozier

Off the bench? Just who the he*& has anything close to that?

[Silky]

Hayward and Rozier are an interesting statistical comparison this year.

Hayward, obviously is a higher tier player than Rozier, but, Rozier's playoff performance last year and his stats in his 9 starts this year get him off the bench and into being a starter on a lesser team.

Hayward - 1263 mins FG % 41.6 Three pt % 31.4  Reb 224 Turnovers 73
Rozier - 1244 mins FG % 38.1  Three pt % 35.4 Reb 225 Turnovers 50

Rozier's numbers as a starter are better than Hayward's above, but Rozier is not a starter and will be playing elsewhere next year.

Ainge will not trade him because he doesn't need to.

In my estimation, the crew of Hayward, Brown and Rozier are playing really well now and I think they are helping each other. This is why. Those three players have complementary talents and Ainge and Stevens know it.

Those three players might be the one shot this team has of being competitive against Golden State.

Talk to any NBA coach or exec.

Hayward
Brown
Rozier

Off the bench? Just who the he*& has anything close to that?

The Raptors the last 2 seasons have had the best bench in the nba, how did their playoffs work out?

In the playoffs teams rotations tighten up to around 8 or 9 guys. with top 7 of them getting all the minutes.

Top 8 on this team right now is (in no particular order)
Irving
Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Smart
Morris
Baynes

then Terry

IMO it is far more logical to trade 2 of your lower bench guys and make a big improvement to the starters. And in doing so give more opportunity to Gordon.

[ozgod]

I didn’t see the game today but looks like Gordon turned the corner last game to find another corner in front of him? 5 FGA?

And I note that Theis scored 20ppg and he is getting paid 1/30th what Gordon is getting paid? 

He ain’t turning the corner till next year. We just have to accept it.

[gouki88]

I didn’t see the game today but looks like Gordon turned the corner last game to find another corner in front of him? 5 FGA?

And I note that Theis scored 20ppg and he is getting paid 1/30th what Gordon is getting paid? 

He ain’t turning the corner till next year. We just have to accept it.

Terry Rozier and GH are incompatible. I would simply bench Rozier and limit him to 10-15 MPG, give Wanamaker some run and make Hayward have more duties off the bench

[SHAQATTACK]

yeah....the more and better Gordy looks .....the more Rozier needs to sit on the bench .   

please sell off Rozier asap

[gpap]

Ol' Gordy went back into the corner again tonight.

He was on timeout and no one let him out.

[celtics4ever33]

yeah....the more and better Gordy looks .....the more Rozier needs to sit on the bench .   

please sell off Rozier asap

You know it and I know it.

We need Rozier to do what he was doing last year more than this scrub Hayward. He's not going to change anything this year.

But when you see Rondo end of game, you see Rozier and Jaylen Brown who is sitting down on the bench after having very good games.

This team is a trip.