Gordon starting to turn the corner?

[CelticsElite]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

[Chris22]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

[gpap]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

What does that mean?

[SparzWizard]

I'm not even mad about Hayward and his 4 points $35M/year on tonight's loss to the Lakers.

More mad about the poor team effort and the coaching lol.

[ozgod]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

What does that mean?

That he would have been a +15 if he had scored zero points?

[Chris22]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

What does that mean?

It means that the team played well when Hayward was on the court.

Kyrie was 6-21 and was a minus 14.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071487

[makaveli]

I just hate the way people are treating him on this forum. It is not his fault for breaking his let in the worst way since Livingston did so.
Give him a break(no pun intended), at least look at the positives. He doesn’t have follow up injuries, and is showing flashes of his former all star self. I am confident that he will be a great bench player this season, and back compleatly the next october.

[Chris22]

I just hate the way people are treating him on this forum. It is not his fault for breaking his let in the worst way since Livingston did so.
Give him a break(no pun intended), at least look at the positives. He doesn’t have follow up injuries, and is showing flashes of his former all star self. I am confident that he will be a great bench player this season, and back compleatly the next october.

People should be mad at Lebron and Crawford for intentionally injuring Hayward.

[keevsnick]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

Ya I would not go that far. He had a nice run at the beginning of January but in his last 14 games played he has cracked double figures 5 times. Three of those five times were against NYK and CLE. I don't think he has been bad, still a really good passer (I'd rather he have the ball than Rozier), but he isn't really blowing any one away either.

[ozgod]

I just hate the way people are treating him on this forum. It is not his fault for breaking his let in the worst way since Livingston did so.
Give him a break(no pun intended), at least look at the positives. He doesn’t have follow up injuries, and is showing flashes of his former all star self. I am confident that he will be a great bench player this season, and back compleatly the next october.

I'm telling you it all comes down to the $30m. If Gordon was getting paid half that the outcry wouldn't be anything near as much. It really doesn't help that with the minutes he is given and the role he has when everyone is healthy, it's very hard to get the 20-5-5 that people want from him as befitting a player who is the 6th highest paid in the NBA right now.

[Greengang5]

I just hate the way people are treating him on this forum. It is not his fault for breaking his let in the worst way since Livingston did so.
Give him a break(no pun intended), at least look at the positives. He doesn’t have follow up injuries, and is showing flashes of his former all star self. I am confident that he will be a great bench player this season, and back compleatly the next october.

I'm telling you it all comes down to the $30m. If Gordon was getting paid half that the outcry wouldn't be anything near as much. It really doesn't help that with the minutes he is given and the role he has when everyone is healthy, it's very hard to get the 20-5-5 that people want from him as befitting a player who is the 6th highest paid in the NBA right now.

Hayward had an 8% usage last night compared to 24.5% against the Cavs.  The lowest on the team last night.  Even with the low usage and minimal touches he delivered 6 rebounds and 5 assists.  8% is way too low for Hayward and he should get a chance to facilitate during meaningful minutes in the 4th. 

[Humble G]

I watched the whole game last night and definitely think Kyrie was the reason we lost plus Lakers had an abnormally amazing shooting night: 53% from 3.

While I am somewhat disappointed in Hayward thus far, it's really not his fault AND he has had a great attitude about it.

I really think it's almost time to put Hayward back in the starting lineup and Morris back to the bench. Hayward is not scoring yet but doing everything else pretty well: passing, the defense was good against Bron and taller McGee at times(as good as any guarding Bron), rebounds, etc. He is similar to Horford right now: does so many things well but doesn't always score a ton.

PLUS I feel like most of the game Hayward is not involved in the offense with kyrie, Tatum, Brown often doing their own thing. Kyrie has gotten a lot better-involving others but Tatum is the one that frustrates me. Yea, he had 5 assists last night but I feel he missed many open guys and instead forced up tough shots ala Kobe. Tatum is a really good player but just an average team player imo at the moment.

[Silky]

Anyone notice everytime this  thread  gets made, Hayward goes on to suck for 3-5 straight games? Lol

Hayward was a plus 19 tonight.

He's been playing well for some time now.

+/- stats are garbage because it uses the entire lineup as the basis of the calculation.

Brown shot 7-10, 2-4 from 3, 2-2 from the line, 18pts, 2 rbs, 1 ass, 1steal, 1block, a 150 offensive rating and a 130 defensive rating yet only had a +11.

Gordon did not do more towards the win than Brown, or Roziers +14, or theis +14 on his 40% shooting and 0% 3pt shooting.

+/- is a garbage stat.

Gordons offensive rating was 5th best out of 9 guys (impressive considering how god awful offensively Morris and Smart were) and he had the 2nd worst defensive rating on the game, just behind Marcus Smart who actually had to cover good offensive options all game as opposed to being hidden on defense,

[Silky]

I watched the whole game last night and definitely think Kyrie was the reason we lost plus Lakers had an abnormally amazing shooting night: 53% from 3.

While I am somewhat disappointed in Hayward thus far, it's really not his fault AND he has had a great attitude about it.

I really think it's almost time to put Hayward back in the starting lineup and Morris back to the bench. Hayward is not scoring yet but doing everything else pretty well: passing, the defense was good against Bron and taller McGee at times(as good as any guarding Bron), rebounds, etc. He is similar to Horford right now: does so many things well but doesn't always score a ton.

PLUS I feel like most of the game Hayward is not involved in the offense with kyrie, Tatum, Brown often doing their own thing. Kyrie has gotten a lot better-involving others but Tatum is the one that frustrates me. Yea, he had 5 assists last night but I feel he missed many open guys and instead forced up tough shots ala Kobe. Tatum is a really good player but just an average team player imo at the moment.

Morris should have been traded, as he is starting to return to the norm in relation to his shooting yet he still puts up shots.

Last night offensively and defensively he was abyssmal.

Kyrie had a bad night, we cannot expect him to play like an MVP every single night to win us games.

IF hayward is brought back into starting lineup, Brown needs to come as well, because we cannot have 2 inept offensive players in the starting lineup at a time.

[jambr380]

I just hate the way people are treating him on this forum. It is not his fault for breaking his let in the worst way since Livingston did so.
Give him a break(no pun intended), at least look at the positives. He doesn’t have follow up injuries, and is showing flashes of his former all star self. I am confident that he will be a great bench player this season, and back compleatly the next october.

I'm telling you it all comes down to the $30m. If Gordon was getting paid half that the outcry wouldn't be anything near as much. It really doesn't help that with the minutes he is given and the role he has when everyone is healthy, it's very hard to get the 20-5-5 that people want from him as befitting a player who is the 6th highest paid in the NBA right now.

Hayward had an 8% usage last night compared to 24.5% against the Cavs.  The lowest on the team last night.  Even with the low usage and minimal touches he delivered 6 rebounds and 5 assists.  8% is way too low for Hayward and he should get a chance to facilitate during meaningful minutes in the 4th.

This.

As far as the money goes, it is disappointing, but that's where we are at. I would love to see Hayward get more opportunities on offense, but with Morris and Rozier still here, it's going to be difficult. I don't ever expect Hayward to put up Utah numbers, but he should be a much bigger part of our offense.

Hopefully, if we do trade for AD, we will clear away some of the logjam and the role players we do bring in will know their place in the hierarchy. It is way too jumbled up right now.