Sheridan- C's 3rd on Davis list likely a rental

[BitterJim]

Chris Sheridan long ago lost whatever credibility he had.

probably but there is a lot of smoke from a lot of different places.

But the fire seems to be in one place -- AD's agent, who clearly wants to steer him to the Lakers.


We heard the same stuff about Paul George and the Thunder.

Bingo. Some reporters do favors for agents and hope to get tipped in return. If I hear something from Woj, Charania, MacMullen, then I'll start to wonder.

Woj would probably be the most trustworthy, because he has a long history of disliking Lebron and I can't see him being his mouthpiece.

Of course, he also had a history of disliking ESPN, and we all know how that worked out

[footey]

The only other problem with NO waiting til summer is this: What if the Celtics win the championship? While not likely, possible. Does Ainge still have to go through on his promise to trade for Davis??

[Chief Macho]

the more you read and hear, you come away thinking this might not be so much about the lakers but a tactic to get davis traded asap for his sake.  he probably is so over NO,  he decided to try any method to not waste this season playing for the  Pelicans

[SHAQATTACK]

The only other problem with NO waiting til summer is this: What if the Celtics win the championship? While not likely, possible. Does Ainge still have to go through on his promise to trade for Davis??

thats a great problem to have .....

[footey]

the more you read and hear, you come away thinking this might not be so much about the lakers but a tactic to get davis traded asap for his sake.  he probably is so over NO,  he decided to try any method to not waste this season playing for the  Pelicans

That’s his problem.

[Tr1boy]

When are people going to understand that what Davis thinks he wants with more than a year of contractual obligation is meaningless.

The only thing relevant is what is the best package New Orleans could expect to receive?

Which is why they’d be foolish to make any deal with The Lakers right now.

If Boston’s offer is roughly equivalent to the Laker offer, and you were the Pels GM, which team would you trade him to?

Rhetorical question.

big IF

we don't even know what Danny is willing to give up for a player that seems like has cold feet to come here

IF danny didn't care... he would have just traded for Leonard in the offseason.  Celts obviously could have blew that Raptors offer easily

[footey]

When are people going to understand that what Davis thinks he wants with more than a year of contractual obligation is meaningless.

The only thing relevant is what is the best package New Orleans could expect to receive?

Which is why they’d be foolish to make any deal with The Lakers right now.

If Boston’s offer is roughly equivalent to the Laker offer, and you were the Pels GM, which team would you trade him to?

Rhetorical question.

big IF

we don't even know what Danny is willing to give up for a player that seems like has cold feet to come here

IF danny didn't care... he would have just traded for Leonard in the offseason.  Celts obviously could have blew that Raptors offer easily

Wish he had.

You raise a fair point. Let’s see how far Danny is willing to go. This team has a greater need for a 4/5 like Davis than another wing, albeit a special one in Leonard.

[Kuberski33]

If the Knicks are #2, there is no #2 because Davis says he wants to win.  The Knicks aren't winning anytime soon with that organization and that owner so there's no way that's true. Dolan is an idiot and the players know it.

[RJ87]

When are people going to understand that what Davis thinks he wants with more than a year of contractual obligation is meaningless.

The only thing relevant is what is the best package New Orleans could expect to receive?

Which is why they’d be foolish to make any deal with The Lakers right now.

If Boston’s offer is roughly equivalent to the Laker offer, and you were the Pels GM, which team would you trade him to?

Rhetorical question.

big IF

we don't even know what Danny is willing to give up for a player that seems like has cold feet to come here

IF danny didn't care... he would have just traded for Leonard in the offseason.  Celts obviously could have blew that Raptors offer easily

Wish he had.

You raise a fair point. Let’s see how far Danny is willing to go. This team has a greater need for a 4/5 like Davis than another wing, albeit a special one in Leonard.

The Kawhi situation was different. It wasn't like Kawhi was in a losing situation or with a poorly run franchise. He wanted out of the Spurs. One of the best run and highly respected franchises in basketball with a stable culture. So clearly, winning wasn't a priority for him - marketing was. That was only reinforced by the botched contract negotiations with Jordan Brand.

For Danny, he has to look at the facts. If a player is willing to walk away from the Spurs and Pop, is there anything here in Boston that'll make him stay? With AD, getting him in a consistent winning situation - which he hasn't been in so far - with one of his closest friends in the league is a risk, but a considerably more reasonable one than Kawhi.

[nickagneta]

Chris Sheridan long ago lost whatever credibility he had.

probably but there is a lot of smoke from a lot of different places.

But the fire seems to be in one place -- AD's agent, who clearly wants to steer him to the Lakers.


We heard the same stuff about Paul George and the Thunder.

perhapsbut Bontemps just did a piece on frustration from some of the younger C's.  MacMullen just said Irving is frustrated and worried about his load.  There is a lot of smoke about discourse on the C's, which Rich Paul can then use to his advantage

MacMullan also laughed when she was asked if there was truth to the rumors Kyrie might not re-sign. She said this was pure Rich Paul.

Is this true? If it really is, this should be the front page story. She has broken more stories about the Celtics than Sheridan and Boucher and whoever else combined.

yeah Jackie laughed it off. 

Kyrie might not re-sign but the idea he is leaning towards leaving has no basis in reality.

sure but it apparently is affecting Davis' view of the C's which absolutely matters

no it doesn’t.  He’s not a free agent.

but he will be 1 year after the C's could acquire him which absolutley affects if a team acquires him and for what value (thus affecting where said player ends up).  Are the C's going to give up Tatum and the potentially high picks for a 1 year rental? If not, Davis isn't a C

Think about what you are saying.  Map it out.  You’re arguing that the perceived indecisiveness of kyrie will impact whether Davis wants to play in Boston.  Boston can’t trade for Davis until kyrie hits free agency. This literally doesn’t matter right now. 

Either kyrie re-signs ... in which case it immediately negates this entire premise... or kyrie leaves ... in which case - whatever. It might not even make sense to trade for Davis at that point.

As far as how Davis feels about Boston right now - doesn’t make a [dang] difference.  If I’m him I prefer the lakers too because they can literally trade for me right now and I can get out of New Orleans immediately.

Presumably Boston would have to make the deal before the draft though, which wouldn't be finalized until after free agency opens.  How is Boston going to make that deal without knowing for sure what Irving is going to do?  And unless you are 100% sure that acquiring Davis will get Irving to stay, you have to be hesitant to make the deal.

they can discuss the deal but they aren’t going to make any deal until they know kyrie’s intentions. 

It messes up our draft for sure, but oh well.

Sure, but that is a problem.  You also have to know that Irving re-signing will guarantee that Davis re-signs, which is far from a given as well. 

That is why what Davis thinks of an organization matters.

You guys are both very intelligent people. Are you trying to imply that Ainge wouldn't know 100% in June that Kyrie would be re-signing if he was trading for Davis? Do you really think Ainge stops communicating with Kyrie and his agent just because he is negotiating a deal for Davis?

If this goes down, Ainge is going to be juggling a lot of deals simultaneously. He will already have a verbal commitment from Kyrie. He will know if Horford is opting in or out. He will know Morris' and Rozier's future with the team. He will have already drafted the Pels players and letting them know their future. And you can rest assure Ainge will make sure Davis knows everything that is going down to sell him on staying with Boston.

[bknova]

When are people going to understand that what Davis thinks he wants with more than a year of contractual obligation is meaningless.

The only thing relevant is what is the best package New Orleans could expect to receive?

Which is why they’d be foolish to make any deal with The Lakers right now.

If Boston’s offer is roughly equivalent to the Laker offer, and you were the Pels GM, which team would you trade him to?

Rhetorical question.

big IF

we don't even know what Danny is willing to give up for a player that seems like has cold feet to come here

IF danny didn't care... he would have just traded for Leonard in the offseason.  Celts obviously could have blew that Raptors offer easily

Wish he had.

You raise a fair point. Let’s see how far Danny is willing to go. This team has a greater need for a 4/5 like Davis than another wing, albeit a special one in Leonard.

The Kawhi situation was different. It wasn't like Kawhi was in a losing situation or with a poorly run franchise. He wanted out of the Spurs. One of the best run and highly respected franchises in basketball with a stable culture. So clearly, winning wasn't a priority for him - marketing was. That was only reinforced by the botched contract negotiations with Jordan Brand.

For Danny, he has to look at the facts. If a player is willing to walk away from the Spurs and Pop, is there anything here in Boston that'll make him stay? With AD, getting him in a consistent winning situation - which he hasn't been in so far - with one of his closest friends in the league is a risk, but a considerably more reasonable one than Kawhi.

Here's the deal, and my biggest problem with the whole situation, I have no doubt that Danny and Brad and Kyrie, and to a lesser extent KG and Paul Pierce, and Tommy and Bill Russell will all make AD want to stay and hang a few banners and become a Celtic legend, but, his agent doesn't operate within the best interest of all of his clients, just one. 

I believe Rich Paul would do everything in his power to not make want AD to want to stay, because Lebron would will it so.  Thats my only beef. 

[Tr1boy]

When are people going to understand that what Davis thinks he wants with more than a year of contractual obligation is meaningless.

The only thing relevant is what is the best package New Orleans could expect to receive?

Which is why they’d be foolish to make any deal with The Lakers right now.

If Boston’s offer is roughly equivalent to the Laker offer, and you were the Pels GM, which team would you trade him to?

Rhetorical question.

big IF

we don't even know what Danny is willing to give up for a player that seems like has cold feet to come here

IF danny didn't care... he would have just traded for Leonard in the offseason.  Celts obviously could have blew that Raptors offer easily

Wish he had.

You raise a fair point. Let’s see how far Danny is willing to go. This team has a greater need for a 4/5 like Davis than another wing, albeit a special one in Leonard.

The Kawhi situation was different. It wasn't like Kawhi was in a losing situation or with a poorly run franchise. He wanted out of the Spurs. One of the best run and highly respected franchises in basketball with a stable culture. So clearly, winning wasn't a priority for him - marketing was. That was only reinforced by the botched contract negotiations with Jordan Brand.

For Danny, he has to look at the facts. If a player is willing to walk away from the Spurs and Pop, is there anything here in Boston that'll make him stay? With AD, getting him in a consistent winning situation - which he hasn't been in so far - with one of his closest friends in the league is a risk, but a considerably more reasonable one than Kawhi.

Here's the deal, and my biggest problem with the whole situation, I have no doubt that Danny and Brad and Kyrie, and to a lesser extent KG and Paul Pierce, and Tommy and Bill Russell will all make AD want to stay and hang a few banners and become a Celtic legend, but, his agent doesn't operate within the best interest of all of his clients, just one. 

I believe Rich Paul would do everything in his power to not make want AD to want to stay, because Lebron would will it so.  Thats my only beef.

exactly

Agent matters more than people think

for example, doubt Danny will ever deal with that slimeball BJ Armstrong for the crap he pulled with Josh Jackson on the Celtics

[LarBrd33]

Chris Sheridan long ago lost whatever credibility he had.

probably but there is a lot of smoke from a lot of different places.

But the fire seems to be in one place -- AD's agent, who clearly wants to steer him to the Lakers.


We heard the same stuff about Paul George and the Thunder.

perhapsbut Bontemps just did a piece on frustration from some of the younger C's.  MacMullen just said Irving is frustrated and worried about his load.  There is a lot of smoke about discourse on the C's, which Rich Paul can then use to his advantage

MacMullan also laughed when she was asked if there was truth to the rumors Kyrie might not re-sign. She said this was pure Rich Paul.

Is this true? If it really is, this should be the front page story. She has broken more stories about the Celtics than Sheridan and Boucher and whoever else combined.

yeah Jackie laughed it off. 

Kyrie might not re-sign but the idea he is leaning towards leaving has no basis in reality.

sure but it apparently is affecting Davis' view of the C's which absolutely matters

no it doesn’t.  He’s not a free agent.

but he will be 1 year after the C's could acquire him which absolutley affects if a team acquires him and for what value (thus affecting where said player ends up).  Are the C's going to give up Tatum and the potentially high picks for a 1 year rental? If not, Davis isn't a C

Think about what you are saying.  Map it out.  You’re arguing that the perceived indecisiveness of kyrie will impact whether Davis wants to play in Boston.  Boston can’t trade for Davis until kyrie hits free agency. This literally doesn’t matter right now. 

Either kyrie re-signs ... in which case it immediately negates this entire premise... or kyrie leaves ... in which case - whatever. It might not even make sense to trade for Davis at that point.

As far as how Davis feels about Boston right now - doesn’t make a [dang] difference.  If I’m him I prefer the lakers too because they can literally trade for me right now and I can get out of New Orleans immediately.

Presumably Boston would have to make the deal before the draft though, which wouldn't be finalized until after free agency opens.  How is Boston going to make that deal without knowing for sure what Irving is going to do?  And unless you are 100% sure that acquiring Davis will get Irving to stay, you have to be hesitant to make the deal.

they can discuss the deal but they aren’t going to make any deal until they know kyrie’s intentions. 

It messes up our draft for sure, but oh well.

Sure, but that is a problem.  You also have to know that Irving re-signing will guarantee that Davis re-signs, which is far from a given as well. 

That is why what Davis thinks of an organization matters.

You guys are both very intelligent people. Are you trying to imply that Ainge wouldn't know 100% in June that Kyrie would be re-signing if he was trading for Davis? Do you really think Ainge stops communicating with Kyrie and his agent just because he is negotiating a deal for Davis?

If this goes down, Ainge is going to be juggling a lot of deals simultaneously. He will already have a verbal commitment from Kyrie. He will know if Horford is opting in or out. He will know Morris' and Rozier's future with the team. He will have already drafted the Pels players and letting them know their future. And you can rest assure Ainge will make sure Davis knows everything that is going down to sell him on staying with Boston.

I agree with that.

And how Davis feels about it is a far lesser concern.  If we keep Kyrie he'll dig it in Boston.

[nickagneta]

Chris Sheridan long ago lost whatever credibility he had.

probably but there is a lot of smoke from a lot of different places.

But the fire seems to be in one place -- AD's agent, who clearly wants to steer him to the Lakers.


We heard the same stuff about Paul George and the Thunder.

perhapsbut Bontemps just did a piece on frustration from some of the younger C's.  MacMullen just said Irving is frustrated and worried about his load.  There is a lot of smoke about discourse on the C's, which Rich Paul can then use to his advantage

MacMullan also laughed when she was asked if there was truth to the rumors Kyrie might not re-sign. She said this was pure Rich Paul.

Is this true? If it really is, this should be the front page story. She has broken more stories about the Celtics than Sheridan and Boucher and whoever else combined.

yeah Jackie laughed it off. 

Kyrie might not re-sign but the idea he is leaning towards leaving has no basis in reality.

sure but it apparently is affecting Davis' view of the C's which absolutely matters

no it doesn’t.  He’s not a free agent.

but he will be 1 year after the C's could acquire him which absolutley affects if a team acquires him and for what value (thus affecting where said player ends up).  Are the C's going to give up Tatum and the potentially high picks for a 1 year rental? If not, Davis isn't a C

Think about what you are saying.  Map it out.  You’re arguing that the perceived indecisiveness of kyrie will impact whether Davis wants to play in Boston.  Boston can’t trade for Davis until kyrie hits free agency. This literally doesn’t matter right now. 

Either kyrie re-signs ... in which case it immediately negates this entire premise... or kyrie leaves ... in which case - whatever. It might not even make sense to trade for Davis at that point.

As far as how Davis feels about Boston right now - doesn’t make a [dang] difference.  If I’m him I prefer the lakers too because they can literally trade for me right now and I can get out of New Orleans immediately.

Presumably Boston would have to make the deal before the draft though, which wouldn't be finalized until after free agency opens.  How is Boston going to make that deal without knowing for sure what Irving is going to do?  And unless you are 100% sure that acquiring Davis will get Irving to stay, you have to be hesitant to make the deal.

they can discuss the deal but they aren’t going to make any deal until they know kyrie’s intentions. 

It messes up our draft for sure, but oh well.

Sure, but that is a problem.  You also have to know that Irving re-signing will guarantee that Davis re-signs, which is far from a given as well. 

That is why what Davis thinks of an organization matters.

You guys are both very intelligent people. Are you trying to imply that Ainge wouldn't know 100% in June that Kyrie would be re-signing if he was trading for Davis? Do you really think Ainge stops communicating with Kyrie and his agent just because he is negotiating a deal for Davis?

If this goes down, Ainge is going to be juggling a lot of deals simultaneously. He will already have a verbal commitment from Kyrie. He will know if Horford is opting in or out. He will know Morris' and Rozier's future with the team. He will have already drafted the Pels players and letting them know their future. And you can rest assure Ainge will make sure Davis knows everything that is going down to sell him on staying with Boston.

I agree with that.

And how Davis feels about it is a far lesser concern.  If we keep Kyrie he'll dig it in Boston.

Agree completely. If Boston is 3rd or last on Davis' list is Davis going to be pigheaded and not make a long term commitment until after experiencing Boston. If he is traded here, Kyrie signs long term, Hayward becomes Hayward, and he wins a title here, is he really going to give up being the best player on a possible dynasty because he has a house in LA? I think, very much like George in OKC, the team, the players, the city and the fans are going to convince Davis Boston is the place to be.

You know what Kyrie, invite Mookie Betts, Kevin Garnett and Tom Brady to All-Star weekend and go out with those three guys and Davis and have a good time talking Boston sports.

[cltc5]

Chris Sheridan long ago lost whatever credibility he had.

probably but there is a lot of smoke from a lot of different places.

But the fire seems to be in one place -- AD's agent, who clearly wants to steer him to the Lakers.


We heard the same stuff about Paul George and the Thunder.

perhapsbut Bontemps just did a piece on frustration from some of the younger C's.  MacMullen just said Irving is frustrated and worried about his load.  There is a lot of smoke about discourse on the C's, which Rich Paul can then use to his advantage

MacMullan also laughed when she was asked if there was truth to the rumors Kyrie might not re-sign. She said this was pure Rich Paul.

Is this true? If it really is, this should be the front page story. She has broken more stories about the Celtics than Sheridan and Boucher and whoever else combined.

yeah Jackie laughed it off. 

Kyrie might not re-sign but the idea he is leaning towards leaving has no basis in reality.

sure but it apparently is affecting Davis' view of the C's which absolutely matters

no it doesn’t.  He’s not a free agent.

but he will be 1 year after the C's could acquire him which absolutley affects if a team acquires him and for what value (thus affecting where said player ends up).  Are the C's going to give up Tatum and the potentially high picks for a 1 year rental? If not, Davis isn't a C

Think about what you are saying.  Map it out.  You’re arguing that the perceived indecisiveness of kyrie will impact whether Davis wants to play in Boston.  Boston can’t trade for Davis until kyrie hits free agency. This literally doesn’t matter right now. 

Either kyrie re-signs ... in which case it immediately negates this entire premise... or kyrie leaves ... in which case - whatever. It might not even make sense to trade for Davis at that point.

As far as how Davis feels about Boston right now - doesn’t make a [dang] difference.  If I’m him I prefer the lakers too because they can literally trade for me right now and I can get out of New Orleans immediately.

Presumably Boston would have to make the deal before the draft though, which wouldn't be finalized until after free agency opens.  How is Boston going to make that deal without knowing for sure what Irving is going to do?  And unless you are 100% sure that acquiring Davis will get Irving to stay, you have to be hesitant to make the deal.

they can discuss the deal but they aren’t going to make any deal until they know kyrie’s intentions. 

It messes up our draft for sure, but oh well.

Sure, but that is a problem.  You also have to know that Irving re-signing will guarantee that Davis re-signs, which is far from a given as well. 

That is why what Davis thinks of an organization matters.

You guys are both very intelligent people. Are you trying to imply that Ainge wouldn't know 100% in June that Kyrie would be re-signing if he was trading for Davis? Do you really think Ainge stops communicating with Kyrie and his agent just because he is negotiating a deal for Davis?

If this goes down, Ainge is going to be juggling a lot of deals simultaneously. He will already have a verbal commitment from Kyrie. He will know if Horford is opting in or out. He will know Morris' and Rozier's future with the team. He will have already drafted the Pels players and letting them know their future. And you can rest assure Ainge will make sure Davis knows everything that is going down to sell him on staying with Boston.

I agree with that.

And how Davis feels about it is a far lesser concern.  If we keep Kyrie he'll dig it in Boston.

Agree completely. If Boston is 3rd or last on Davis' list is Davis going to be pigheaded and not make a long term commitment until after experiencing Boston. If he is traded here, Kyrie signs long term, Hayward becomes Hayward, and he wins a title here, is he really going to give up being the best player on a possible dynasty because he has a house in LA? I think, very much like George in OKC, the team, the players, the city and the fans are going to convince Davis Boston is the place to be.

You know what Kyrie, invite Mookie Betts, Kevin Garnett and Tom Brady to All-Star weekend and go out with those three guys and Davis and have a good time talking Boston sports.

Don’t forget the brutal sub zero cold