Trade Irving for the sake of the team

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day. Great players like Magic, Bird never made it about themselves ... only selfish azz that nobody can say about anything are Jordan and Kobe

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of (4)Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward

Well guess what...

Your point doesn't make any sense, because Carmelo/Westbrook is HoF bound..

And sadly this is my point

All that effort to build around a selfish loser (Melo) that may enter the HOF

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day. Great players like Magic, Bird never made it about themselves ... only selfish azz that nobody can say about anything are Jordan and Kobe

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of (4)Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward

Well guess what...

Your point doesn't make any sense, because Carmelo/Westbrook is HoF bound..

And how has OKC done these recent years?

[Eddie20]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day. Great players like Magic, Bird never made it about themselves ... only selfish azz that nobody can say about anything are Jordan and Kobe

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of (4)Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward

Well guess what...

Triboy, with that comment I bolded above, as well as this very thread, you continue to show your lack of basketball knowledge.

I never cared for Jordan, but you saying he's selfish is beyond ridiculous. He scored when he needed to, but also passed the ball when he had that, which included setting up teammates with passes which led to some of the biggest shots in Finals history. Per 36 shows that Jordan had only 3.5 shot attempts per game more than Bird, despite playing with much less help.

[Jvalin]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day. Great players like Magic, Bird never made it about themselves ... only selfish azz that nobody can say about anything are Jordan and Kobe

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of (4)Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward

Well guess what...

Triboy, with that comment I bolded above, as well as this very thread, you continue to show your lack of basketball knowledge.

I never cared for Jordan, but you saying he's selfish is beyond ridiculous. He scored when he needed to, but also passed the ball when he had that, which included setting up teammates with passes which led to some of the biggest shots in Finals history. Per 36, show that Jordan had only 3.5 shot attempts per game more than Bird, despite playing with much less help.

You must be blind

Jordan was pure isolation and thought he could score on anybody (which was true)

So he was selfish and backed it up

He only passed when HE had to

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

[DefenseWinsChamps]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

Lol. The Cavs thought they were getting a starter, an all-star, an up-and-coming big, and a top 5 draft pick. They were wrong on all accounts.

Don't rewrite the narrative. Many argued the Cavs won that trade when it happened. The package that the Cavs thought they got is way more than the Pacers got for George (a starter and an up-and-coming big), or the Kings got for Cousins (a young prospect, a mid first rounder, and salary filler), and arguably than the Spurs got for Leonard (an up-and-coming big and an all-star).

The package they actually got was way less, but that's a credit to Danny Ainge.

Are you just trying to win an argument now? Because we proven through stats and evidence that the team is better with Irving, that he is one of the most respected players in NBA by his peers, that he is having an almost-MVP season, and that his value is extremely high.

[Monkhouse]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

I feel like you, and some users here just like to argue for the sake of it, especially when you guys are all 100% incorrect.

Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, top 8 pick, and Zizic was considered an overpayment by half of the blog here.

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

Lol. The Cavs thought they were getting a starter, an all-star, an up-and-coming big, and a top 5 draft pick. They were wrong on all accounts.

Don't rewrite the narrative. Many argued the Cavs won that trade when it happened. The package that the Cavs thought they got is way more than the Pacers got for George (a starter and an up-and-coming big), or the Kings got for Cousins (a young prospect, a mid first rounder, and salary filler), and arguably than the Spurs got for Leonard (an up-and-coming big and an all-star).

The package they actually got was way less, but that's a credit to Danny Ainge.

Are you just trying to win an argument now? Because we proven through stats and evidence that the team is better with Irving, that he is one of the most respected players in NBA by his peers, that he is having an almost-MVP season, and that his value is extremely high.

Unless this team tops last season regular season win totals and/or at least make it to ECF or better

Than better with Kyrie is not quite true..

And thus far with the struggles of 3-4 main pieces... team is not as good as last seasons

Like I said... lets see how this squad looks without Irving for another week or two...

[Green-18]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day. Great players like Magic, Bird never made it about themselves ... only selfish azz that nobody can say about anything are Jordan and Kobe

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of (4)Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward

Well guess what...

We aren't even half way through the first season of Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum etc...

Tatum and Brown both played well WITH Kyrie last season.  If anything, the Tatum, Brown, and Hayward dynamic is the most difficult to project going forward.  Also, did you know that the duo of Tatum and Kyrie has a net rating of 13.7?  The only pairings that have been better are Lowry/Green, Durant/Green, and Lowry/Ibaka.

I just don't see how Kyrie is to blame for Jaylen and Hayward's struggles.  As for Terry, he has always been inconsistent on short minutes.

I will try to illustrate this in another way.  Let's pretend that we swapped out Terry for JJ Barea and Jaylen Brown for Bojan Bogdanovic.  Brad would still run the exact same system, but I would be willing to bet that our offense would be far more consistent.  Kyrie would still have an elite Net rating, and Hayward would be playing with teammates who complement his style of play.  This isn't to say that Brown and Hayward can't figure out how to play together.  It's just fairly easy to assume that roles would have been clearly defined at a much earlier point in the season.

[RJ87]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

I feel like you, and some users here just like to argue for the sake of it, especially when you guys are all 100% incorrect.

Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, top 8 pick, and Zizic was considered an overpayment by half of the blog here.

Not just by the blog, but by sports media as well. The initial talk directly after the trade is that the Cavs won it. The retconning and moving of goalposts all over this thread is comical.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=93184.0

For reference. A thread you started.

[Moranis]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

I feel like you, and some users here just like to argue for the sake of it, especially when you guys are all 100% incorrect.

Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, top 8 pick, and Zizic was considered an overpayment by half of the blog here.

that just isn't true.  You can look at the threads (some of them with polls) to see that just isn't true.  The vast majority of this blog (and the national media) felt Boston won the trade almost immediately because Irving was the unquestioned best player in the trade.

[Tr1boy]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

I feel like you, and some users here just like to argue for the sake of it, especially when you guys are all 100% incorrect.

Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, top 8 pick, and Zizic was considered an overpayment by half of the blog here.

that just isn't true.  You can look at the threads (some of them with polls) to see that just isn't true.  The vast majority of this blog (and the national media) felt Boston won the trade almost immediately because Irving was the unquestioned best player in the trade.

Exactly

IT4 was coming off major injury/ going to become a UFA. Crowder and rest were not an amazing addition to the trade. Only if that 1st jumped up to top 3-5

And it did not

[DefenseWinsChamps]

When the banner hangs and they retire Kyries number 11 in the rafters.And Ainge has it rank up there with one of his great heists--then will still be downers.Trade Kyie at 26 just entering his prime and finally not playing in pain-to keep Rozier.

We got a top 10 player for an injured IT, Zizic  ,Crowder, and the number 9 draft choice..Nobody on this squad has a resume like Kyrie except maybe potential Jason Tatum.
Kyrie will be in Hall of Fame with his unique maybe best ever skill set.AND you want to trade Kyrie.

Let me ask you... does Carmelo Anthony get into the HOF?

Does Westbrook?

I really dont care about ONE player. This is not 3 on 3 or street ball

It is a team game at the end of the day

And if Kyrie (1) = underutilization of 4 (Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Hayward)

Well guess what...

Wouldn't be against trading Kyrie as long as we get fair value for him. Problem is, we have almost zero leverage in trade talks cause he is about to hit free agency. Chances are that most teams wouldn't feel confident about re-signing him next summer, hence we'd have to find a team willing to take that risk. Good luck with that. In any other case, we'd be trading him for pennies on the dollar. To put it another way, it's practically impossible for the C's to get fair value for Kyrie.

No way would I trade Kyrie ''for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr''. He's way more valuable than that.

Dont you think Cavs tried their best to trade Irving to any other team than the Celts?

His value is not as high as many think here

2 1sts and Jamal Murray is actually better than a fair deal

Nuggets wont do it

I feel like you, and some users here just like to argue for the sake of it, especially when you guys are all 100% incorrect.

Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, top 8 pick, and Zizic was considered an overpayment by half of the blog here.

that just isn't true.  You can look at the threads (some of them with polls) to see that just isn't true.  The vast majority of this blog (and the national media) felt Boston won the trade almost immediately because Irving was the unquestioned best player in the trade.

Please check the following thread as one of the primary polls regarding this.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=93184.0

No alternative facts here. We've brought the burden of evidence. Others have brought narratives.