Trade Irving for the sake of the team

[Tr1boy]

Everyone plays better. Team defense is better. Hayward actually gets to shoot/make plays.... this team is not built for Irving and vice versa

Trade Irving for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr.

I did not want to comment on this thread because it is a completely ridiculous point, but I did want to say that there is basically nothing that backs up your position triboy16f besides your opinion, which is worth basically nothing.

Kyrie is in all of the celtics most productive lineups, statistically.  Literally all of them.

Irving is a basketball god TB16. How dare you!

Btw you forgot to mention how advance Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Hayward production is this season

Why dont you elaborate what has been happening

Why the team is 9-13 vs 500 teams..

[nickagneta]

Everyone plays better. Team defense is better. Hayward actually gets to shoot/make plays.... this team is not built for Irving and vice versa

Trade Irving for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr.

I did not want to comment on this thread because it is a completely ridiculous point, but I did want to say that there is basically nothing that backs up your position triboy16f besides your opinion, which is worth basically nothing.

Kyrie is in all of the celtics most productive lineups, statistically.  Literally all of them.

Irving is a basketball god TB16. How dare you!

Btw you forgot to mention how advance Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Hayward production is this season

Why dont you elaborate what has been happening

Why the team is 9-13 vs 500 teams..

So Brown hasn't handled his reduced role well. Tatum isn't developing immediately into an All-Star in his 2nd season at 20. Hayward is taking longer to get his game back than fans wanted. And Rozier has been Rozier where he thrives when starting but isn't so great coming off the bench.

But none of that is their fault.

It's the fault of the superstar guard who is playing at an All-Pro level doing none of the things you claim he is doing and that has been proven in this thread with actual facts and data.

You don't see how absurd that sounds?

[Tr1boy]

Everyone plays better. Team defense is better. Hayward actually gets to shoot/make plays.... this team is not built for Irving and vice versa

Trade Irving for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr.

I did not want to comment on this thread because it is a completely ridiculous point, but I did want to say that there is basically nothing that backs up your position triboy16f besides your opinion, which is worth basically nothing.

Kyrie is in all of the celtics most productive lineups, statistically.  Literally all of them.

Irving is a basketball god TB16. How dare you!

Btw you forgot to mention how advance Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Hayward production is this season

Why dont you elaborate what has been happening

Why the team is 9-13 vs 500 teams..

So Brown hasn't handled his reduced role well. Tatum isn't developing immediately into an All-Star in his 2nd season at 20. Hayward is taking longer to get his game back than fans wanted. And Rozier has been Rozier where he thrives when starting but isn't so great coming off the bench.

But none of that is their fault.

It's the fault of the superstar guard who is playing at an All-Pro level doing none of the things you claim he is doing and that has been proven in this thread with actual facts and data.

You don't see how absurd that sounds?

At least you are providing details..

But what are you going to say if the Celts and these guys play better with Kyrie out

But then when he comesback...all that you listed happens again

Its 1 vs 4 players... these considered the future core. So is Irving but who knows if he will really resign/injury concerns

So you tell me..

[GreenFaith1819]

No thanks.

Even once Hayward gets back to normal soon we will STILL need Kyrie's talent to go deep into June.

If ANYTHING - last night just proves once again that Hayward is 1A...and on some nights will be 1st choice.

Kyrie and GH will make a devastating 1-2 punch here for the next few years.

[nickagneta]

Everyone plays better. Team defense is better. Hayward actually gets to shoot/make plays.... this team is not built for Irving and vice versa

Trade Irving for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr.

I did not want to comment on this thread because it is a completely ridiculous point, but I did want to say that there is basically nothing that backs up your position triboy16f besides your opinion, which is worth basically nothing.

Kyrie is in all of the celtics most productive lineups, statistically.  Literally all of them.

Irving is a basketball god TB16. How dare you!

Btw you forgot to mention how advance Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Hayward production is this season

Why dont you elaborate what has been happening

Why the team is 9-13 vs 500 teams..

So Brown hasn't handled his reduced role well. Tatum isn't developing immediately into an All-Star in his 2nd season at 20. Hayward is taking longer to get his game back than fans wanted. And Rozier has been Rozier where he thrives when starting but isn't so great coming off the bench.

But none of that is their fault.

It's the fault of the superstar guard who is playing at an All-Pro level doing none of the things you claim he is doing and that has been proven in this thread with actual facts and data.

You don't see how absurd that sounds?

At least you are providing details..

But what are you going to say if the Celts and these guys play better with Kyrie out

But then when he comesback...all that you listed happens again

Its 1 vs 4 players... these considered the future core. So is Irving but who knows if he will really resign/injury concerns

So you tell me..

I tell you that 3-4 games is way too small a sample size to tell me if these 4 players are adversely affected by Kyrie. My guess is Ainge thinks that too and would just make sure Stevens maximizes the talents he has into the best they can be.

This team is deep. Not everyone can be an offensive superstar on this team. But what we need to see is players giving their best effort and being happy with being the guy that stars on any given night because this team has the ability to have any one of 8 players being the star on any given night. They might be the only team in the league to be able to say that.

[Tr1boy]

Everyone plays better. Team defense is better. Hayward actually gets to shoot/make plays.... this team is not built for Irving and vice versa

Trade Irving for multiple 1sts and Jamal Murray or Gary Harris or Buddy Hield or Dennis Smith Jr.

I did not want to comment on this thread because it is a completely ridiculous point, but I did want to say that there is basically nothing that backs up your position triboy16f besides your opinion, which is worth basically nothing.

Kyrie is in all of the celtics most productive lineups, statistically.  Literally all of them.

Irving is a basketball god TB16. How dare you!

Btw you forgot to mention how advance Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Hayward production is this season

Why dont you elaborate what has been happening

Why the team is 9-13 vs 500 teams..

So Brown hasn't handled his reduced role well. Tatum isn't developing immediately into an All-Star in his 2nd season at 20. Hayward is taking longer to get his game back than fans wanted. And Rozier has been Rozier where he thrives when starting but isn't so great coming off the bench.

But none of that is their fault.

It's the fault of the superstar guard who is playing at an All-Pro level doing none of the things you claim he is doing and that has been proven in this thread with actual facts and data.

You don't see how absurd that sounds?

At least you are providing details..

But what are you going to say if the Celts and these guys play better with Kyrie out

But then when he comesback...all that you listed happens again

Its 1 vs 4 players... these considered the future core. So is Irving but who knows if he will really resign/injury concerns

So you tell me..

I tell you that 3-4 games is way too small a sample size to tell me if these 4 players are adversely affected by Kyrie. My guess is Ainge thinks that too and would just make sure Stevens maximizes the talents he has into the best they can be.

This team is deep. Not everyone can be an offensive superstar on this team. But what we need to see is players giving their best effort and being happy with being the guy that stars on any given night because this team has the ability to have any one of 8 players being the star on any given night. They might be the only team in the league to be able to say that.

Last season goes against this theory....because one night Brown was the superstar,  Tatum another night , Rozier another night etc. 

The team felt like it rode the hot hand

These players "seek" the moment now as much as Kyrie wants to also

We will see what happens

The injury to Kyrie/young core making it to the ECF on their own.... may turn out to be a curse in disguise

[Chris22]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

[Wretch]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Bill Walton and Yao Ming were bigs that had injury shortened careers, what's your point.

Off the top of my head, Detroit with Thomas, and GS with Curry jump to mind. Its arguable whether Lew Alcindor or Oscar Robertson was the best player for the bucks. MJ was listed at 6-6 who was a non-big, that was the best player on championship teams, Kobe also.  Edit: I also forgot DJ for the Sonics

[RJ87]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Steph Curry says hi.

Also, you named two players that missed the playoffs due to injury. What about Gordon Hayward? Kevln Love? Dwight Howard?

[jpotter33]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Wow, so much superb logic in this post.

Point A - So a single playoffs in different years for different players is "proof" for your point that smaller guys are more injury prone? Clearly objective and totally not subjective evidence there. Here's some more totally objective evidence for you: Joel Embiid missed two straight years to start off his career + Horford has missed more games this year due to injury than Kyrie = big guys are more injury prone than smaller guys!

(By the way, I love that we're comparing IT - a historically small point guard - to Kyrie - a point guard with good size at 6'4" - and classifying them all as "smaller guys.")

Point B - Uh, have you watched the NBA for three out of the past four years? Curry is 6'3" and was the clear best player in 2015 and co-best player in 2017 and 2018. All three of those teams won the championship, and it wasn't even really close. He's been MVP twice.

[nickagneta]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Boogie Cousins missed the playoffs last year too. Know who else did? Kawhi Leonard, Jabari Parker and Gordon Hayward. So there is your proof that big people get hurt too.

You can't make a claim that smaller people get injured easier than big people and use just 2 examples to paint the entirety of smaller players' ability to get hurt with that broad brush. It's ridiculous. It's like saying white guys can't jump high and saying: "Aron Baynes and Kyle Korver can't jump high so that proves it. All white guys can't jump".

That is just asinine

[Sophomore]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Boogie Cousins missed the playoffs last year too. Know who else did? Kawhi Leonard, Jabari Parker and Gordon Hayward. So there is your proof that big people get hurt too.

You can't make a claim that smaller people get injured easier than big people and use just 2 examples to paint the entirety of smaller players' ability to get hurt with that broad brush. It's ridiculous. It's like saying white guys can't jump high and saying: "Aron Baynes and Kyle Korver can't jump high so that proves it. All white guys can't jump".

That is just asinine

Also, the Knicks with Porzingis might’ve made the playoffs.

You know who was pretty good in the 2016 NBA Finals? Kyrie Irving. 27, 4, and 4. Including the game winning shot in the last minute of game 7. You know who missed the playoffs that year due to injury? Blake Griffin. Nikola Mirotic and Joakim Noah’s injuries probably cost Chicago a playoff spot. And Joel Embiid was in year two of his convalescence.

[Chris22]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Bill Walton and Yao Ming were bigs that had injury shortened careers, what's your point.

Off the top of my head, Detroit with Thomas, and GS with Curry jump to mind. Its arguable whether Lew Alcindor or Oscar Robertson was the best player for the bucks. MJ was listed at 6-6 who was a non-big, that was the best player on championship teams, Kobe also.  Edit: I also forgot DJ for the Sonics

Thanks for proving my point.

Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Jabbar, Wilt, Russell, Willis Reed, Bill Walton, Olajuwon, Nowitzki, Durant, etc...the vast majority of NBA championships have been won by teams where the best player was over 6'4".

In fact, in the last forty years there have only been six Finals MVPs 6'4" or under.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

[Roy H.]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Bill Walton and Yao Ming were bigs that had injury shortened careers, what's your point.

Off the top of my head, Detroit with Thomas, and GS with Curry jump to mind. Its arguable whether Lew Alcindor or Oscar Robertson was the best player for the bucks. MJ was listed at 6-6 who was a non-big, that was the best player on championship teams, Kobe also.  Edit: I also forgot DJ for the Sonics

Thanks for proving my point.

Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Jabbar, Wilt, Russell, Willis Reed, Bill Walton, Olajuwon, Nowitzki, etc...the vast majority of NBA championships have been won by teams where the best player was over 6'4".

In fact, in the last forty years there have only been three Finals MVPs under 6'4".

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

But what’s the point here?

If it’s that ideally we’d have somebody better than Kyrie to play alongside him, most fans would probably agree.

If it’s that we should dump Kyrie for lesser talent in return while handing the reigns to Terry Rozier, most would see that as a step backward.

[Chris22]

Smaller guys like Kyrie and IT get injured more often. That is why I would not resign him.

There is absolutely zero proof, zero facts, zero studies that this is true in any professional sport. Injuries happen to big players and small players alike in all sports. If what you said was true, small people simply would not be playing sports because professional sports GMs would have that data and never sign small players.

Zero proof? Kyrie? IT? Both missed the playoffs due to injury.

Plus, how many championships have been won by teams whose best player was under 6'4"?

Bill Walton and Yao Ming were bigs that had injury shortened careers, what's your point.

Off the top of my head, Detroit with Thomas, and GS with Curry jump to mind. Its arguable whether Lew Alcindor or Oscar Robertson was the best player for the bucks. MJ was listed at 6-6 who was a non-big, that was the best player on championship teams, Kobe also.  Edit: I also forgot DJ for the Sonics

Thanks for proving my point.

Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Jabbar, Wilt, Russell, Willis Reed, Bill Walton, Olajuwon, Nowitzki, etc...the vast majority of NBA championships have been won by teams where the best player was over 6'4".

In fact, in the last forty years there have only been three Finals MVPs under 6'4".

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/

But what’s the point here?

If it’s that ideally we’d have somebody better than Kyrie to play alongside him, most fans would probably agree.

If it’s that we should dump Kyrie for lesser talent in return while handing the reigns to Terry Rozier, most would see that as a step backward.

The point is play out the season with Kyrie, but don't sign him to a max contract afterward.