Option one or Option two - a drastic change is in order

[PhoSita]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

See?

Washburn says players angry about playing time, unrest in locker room

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=98206.msg2584440#msg2584440

Gordon should absolutely be playing less.

I would trade Terry, I'm sure he's the number one guy as far as being dissatisfied.  This start to the season is actively costing him money.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

See?

Washburn says players angry about playing time, unrest in locker room

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=98206.msg2584440#msg2584440

Gordon should absolutely be playing less.

I would trade Terry, I'm sure he's the number one guy as far as being dissatisfied.  This start to the season is actively costing him money.

No Gordon test tonight

Some pointing out Irving and Horford are the cause ...

Hogging the ball too much.... Horford age noticeable this season

Plan one or two?

Team needs Davis to cover for Kyrie shortcomings on defense

OR team should trade Irving at the deadline

At this rate looking like worse case scenerio

Team is worse than last seasons team (no Irving, Hayward) and  will end up losing Irving and or Rozier for nothing

Do something Danny

[LilRip]

Cs need to build around Kyrie and Tatum. Those are their franchise players now and in the future. It’s our version of KD and Curry or Wade and Lebron or Pierce and KG. Horford is already our Draymond Green - versatile player who doesn’t need to score to be effective. Hes our 2008 Rondo. We need someone to be Klay or Ray Allen or Bosh. Whether that’s Hayward or Brown, I don’t know. I’m inclined to think it’s Hayward because he can be 3rd banana on some nights or take over on other nights.

The rest of the team needs to be filled with guys who will accepted much more limited roles. Not because of talent but to fill team needs. I think that’s the sticking point rn. Brown needs to be Iguodala or Perk but the team is trying to fit him in like a Klay. At this stage, I think Marcus Smart fills that role better than Brown.

Normally I’d be against a trade in championship teams because it would mess up the chemistry big time. But this team seems to have chemistry issues up the wazoo and guys aren’t motivated to get things done.

[CelticsElite]

Cs need to build around Kyrie and Tatum. Those are their franchise players now and in the future. It’s our version of KD and Curry or Wade and Lebron or Pierce and KG. Horford is already our Draymond Green - versatile player who doesn’t need to score to be effective. Hes our 2008 Rondo. We need someone to be Klay or Ray Allen or Bosh. Whether that’s Hayward or Brown, I don’t know. I’m inclined to think it’s Hayward because he can be 3rd banana on some nights or take over on other nights.

The rest of the team needs to be filled with guys who will accepted much more limited roles. Not because of talent but to fill team needs. I think that’s the sticking point rn. Brown needs to be Iguodala or Perk but the team is trying to fit him in like a Klay. At this stage, I think Marcus Smart fills that role better than Brown.

Normally I’d be against a trade in championship teams because it would mess up the chemistry big time. But this team seems to have chemistry issues up the wazoo and guys aren’t motivated to get things done.

yeah it’s an interesting thought. A Avery Bradley or sefalosha-type player at the 2 would be interesting because he offense would flow cleaner through kyrie and Tatum.

[RockinRyA]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

Don't you think after 20 games,  a team would already have this ... especially a CBS team and will all of these talents

AGain this team just has too many of the same kind of alpha/score 1st type talents

its almost like that OKC team last season with RW, PG13 and Melo.  A road to nowhere

You build a team around 3 players (ideally that occupy different roles).  Not mash a team with alike type mentality players and hope it all works out

This team, CBS and Danny are all lost right now....

funny you mention that. i just told a friend tonight this reminds me of the OKC issue last year. good comparison.

Exactly

And Rozier is depressed and not playing the way he has progressed

He sukks right now but watch if traded somewhere else the playoff version will return

Danny is being selfish by trying to bottleneck everyone together.... Rozier is being selfish because he wants to progress and also worry about his next contract etc

Danny has the master key.... he needs to figure this out at this juncture

It is near exhausted at the level below

CBS can also try playing two different lineups in a game and see if this works

To start

Baynes
Morris
Hayward
Semi
Irving

Start 2nd quarter (last years 2nd half unit)

Horford
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Rozier

Etc

We are getting the playoff Rozier. Hero ball, poor effort on D, 0-10 shooting from 3. Or Am I the only one who remembers how he lost us game 7? (yes Brown played bad but most his shots were good shots unlike Rozier)

[GreenEnvy]

According to this forum:

Fire Brad.

Trade Kyrie and Yabu to Knicks for Hardaway.

Trade Hayward and our first to any sucker team that will take a max bench player.

Trade Horford and future first for Otto Porter and Dwight.

Cut Rozier.

Waive and stretch Smart.

Fire DA before draft.

Then demand Wyc sell team.

[Somebody]

I'd see what Rozier could get, I'd want an SG or C in return.

[Tr1boy]

I'd see what Rozier could get, I'd want an SG or C in return.

Wont know until deadline (unless deal too hard to pass up comes along)

Kyrie is still injury prone... so wait and see

[Rosco917]

No option was satisfying for me.

We all, myself included, hoped that the young Celtics, Brown, Rozier, Tatum, would grow to blend with the veteran players on this team to build a cohesive unit playing at similar levels. Veteran players who are primed and ready to challenge now.

The truth is our young players are still years away.

A 25-year-old Brown and a 24-year-old Tatum are the players this team needs and those players are nowhere to be seen.     



 

[SHAQATTACK]

I think Brads tyring to accomidate Haywards return too much .   So the game plan built around Gordons reestablishing his game has thrown CBS rotations and schemes off.   He is trying to do too much .  Winning the game is priority ONE

He needs to look at the game first , and less worry about Hayward being on the court .   If Morris,is rebounding amd scoring , he should play over Brown or Hayward.

[hpantazo]

I think Brads tyring to accomidate Haywards return too much .   So the game plan built around Gordons reestablishing his game has thrown CBS rotations and schemes off.   He is trying to do too much .  Winning the game is priority ONE

He needs to look at the game first , and less worry about Hayward being on the court .   If Morris,is rebounding amd scoring , he should play over Brown or Hayward.

Sure, that's why we looked so great last night without Hayward 

Last night Rozier got smoked by an old man midget in Barrea, and Kyrie was yelling at the coaching staff in frustration while Smart almost got tossed at the end of the game out of frustration. Yet, Hayward is the problem?

I think the young guys have become too selfish and lazy. Rozier, Tatum and Brown all looking for their shots and not running the offense or giving a crap on defense.

If the whole team played like Horford, Smart, and Hayward, moving the ball and being in the right spots on defense, we wouldn't be having these problems.

That's why young teams historically don't win. Each guy at that stage in their career is playing for their big payday.

Option 1 doesn't work without including Horford in the core group.

Option 2 is flawed because there is no way you are getting even close to fair return for Kyrie on an expiring deal.


Trade Rozier and Brown. Rozier has to go at this point, and Brown is flawed. He has zero court vision or feel for the game, and that is innate, it will not develop. He still can't shoot, jumps at way too many upfakes on defense and fouls shooters, moves into the wrong spots on defense letting slower guys get to the hoop, and can't even see the rebounds when they are next to his head. When he dribbles he has no clue who is around him at any point.

Then grow a pair and put Tatum on the bench until he starts playing the right way.