Option one or Option two - a drastic change is in order

[Tr1boy]

Options

1)  Build around Kyrie and Hayward  and to satisfy the rest is irrelevant. Build a team to protect their weaknesses and cater to their offensive trigger happy ways.   Trade Horford , Rozier and one of Brown or Tatum.    Suggestions - A legit defensive big anchor (like a Draymond Green).   A legit 3 and D player (Beal or Ariza for example).   6th man (scoring 6th man like a Louis Williams and a glue off the bench player like Olynyk).  Players that understand and stick to their defined roles

2)  Run with the squad that made huge noise in the playoffs last season.   Tatum, Brown, Smart, Rozier, Horford.   Trade Irving for a ton.  Bring Hayward off the bench

There is a huge disconnect with the team right now because you can't undo what has been done.  Which is Rozier, Brown, Tatum fast tracked big time last season.   But this is suppose to be Irving and Haywards team.   We got all alphas and nobody willing to take care of the details.   And you can't blame anybody because thats who they really are.

Irving is trying to take on the role of being the top dog at the moment but the others look disengaged.   On offense disengaged resulting in no energy/synergy at the defensive end.   

Option 2 would also maximize CBS capabilities vs option 1.     

This team is nothing like last seasons team (cater to Kyrie needs) nor will it bounce back like that Miami team that started 9-8 but made it to the finals (their big three played different position/roles).   This team just has too many alpha/score 1st mentality type players ......with Kyrie the king of score 1st mentality...is only fueling the selfishness.  It's not Kyrie fault either.... Danny just has to choose 1 or 2

Due to age (future) and contract certainty I would choose option 2

[CelticsElite]

This is how your panic and Become the 2013 nets

[gouki88]

Triboy returns with a bang

[gpap]

Go with option 1 (minus the Olynyk part)

That team you mentioned in the 2nd option lost in the ECF and that was their ceiling.

[Tr1boy]

This is how your panic and Become the 2013 nets

I disagree

you will see in the next 5-10 games if this team is any different than it is now.... alot of egos, guys worried about their next contracts, their profiles (all star) etc.

There is nothing wrong with this, but you can only have like 3 of these kind of players at most. and ideally occupying different positions.  This team has doubles all over the place

[Tr1boy]

Go with option 1 (minus the Olynyk part)

That team you mentioned in the 2nd option lost in the ECF and that was their ceiling.

I don't disagree with this notion....though, if last season had Hayward coming off the bench and say Beal was on the team (if Kyrie is traded).... you don't think would have beat that Cavs team in the playoffs?

[SparzWizard]

We went from championship expectations to....near-tanking for Zion expectations.

[slamtheking]

must be a Triboy impostor.  no way the real Triboy would suggest a return of Olynyk because he'd want Jordan Mickey all day long

[PhoSita]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

Don't you think after 20 games,  a team would already have this ... especially a CBS team and will all of these talents

AGain this team just has too many of the same kind of alpha/score 1st type talents

its almost like that OKC team last season with RW, PG13 and Melo.  A road to nowhere

You build a team around 3 players (ideally that occupy different roles).  Not mash a team with alike type mentality players and hope it all works out

This team, CBS and Danny are all lost right now....

[Chris22]

Play Williams. We desperately need an athletic defender.
Burke shot over Horford time after time.

[Scintan]

If this is a fit problem, it's something that has to be worked through at this point.  Coach made the mistake of not having BH coming off the bench and working back into a big minutes starter/6th man over time.  Now they have to figure it out, because this is one bottle you can't just re-cork.

So, put some players on the bench.  Let them rot there for a few games, if needed, until they get the point of a team game.  Then reboot with a better setup than having BH getting starter's and a starter's role minutes when he's obviously not ready for that yet.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

Don't you think after 20 games,  a team would already have this ... especially a CBS team and will all of these talents

AGain this team just has too many of the same kind of alpha/score 1st type talents

its almost like that OKC team last season with RW, PG13 and Melo.  A road to nowhere

You build a team around 3 players (ideally that occupy different roles).  Not mash a team with alike type mentality players and hope it all works out

This team, CBS and Danny are all lost right now....

funny you mention that. i just told a friend tonight this reminds me of the OKC issue last year. good comparison.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

Don't you think after 20 games,  a team would already have this ... especially a CBS team and will all of these talents

AGain this team just has too many of the same kind of alpha/score 1st type talents

its almost like that OKC team last season with RW, PG13 and Melo.  A road to nowhere

You build a team around 3 players (ideally that occupy different roles).  Not mash a team with alike type mentality players and hope it all works out

This team, CBS and Danny are all lost right now....

funny you mention that. i just told a friend tonight this reminds me of the OKC issue last year. good comparison.

Exactly

And Rozier is depressed and not playing the way he has progressed

He sukks right now but watch if traded somewhere else the playoff version will return

Danny is being selfish by trying to bottleneck everyone together.... Rozier is being selfish because he wants to progress and also worry about his next contract etc

Danny has the master key.... he needs to figure this out at this juncture

It is near exhausted at the level below

CBS can also try playing two different lineups in a game and see if this works

To start

Baynes
Morris
Hayward
Semi
Irving

Start 2nd quarter (last years 2nd half unit)

Horford
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Rozier

Etc

[Tr1boy]

I don't think drastic change is really an option even if it were a good idea, which I don't think it is.

The drastic change that needs to happen is a shift in the teams offensive focus.

Perhaps a trade of a couple of the bench guys would be needed to shake things up a little. But the core is what it is.

See?

Washburn says players angry about playing time, unrest in locker room

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