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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2018, 11:20:54 AM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2018, 11:27:01 AM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

He is already better than Jeff Green ever was. We gonna say that Al Horford is morphing into Mo Speights? Irving into Dion Waiters? Hayward into Marvin Williams? Tatum into Bogdonavic? Rozier into Canaan?

Come on now. You can create the most negative narratives possible, or you can assume the most likely possibility -- that the Celtics will figure this out.
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2018, 11:42:16 AM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?


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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2018, 12:06:29 PM »

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I love these threads.

I don’t remember seeing these though when he was dropping almost 20 a night in the playoffs last year.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2018, 12:10:37 PM »

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The idea that you can judge Jaylen Brown's entire third year and determine he has leveled off as a player 4 games into his third year is pretty stunning. I am using the word stunning to be respectful.

A 4 game sample size is not a large enough sample size to judge a player's entire year. I am very surprised by the very intelligent posters on this board that are doing so.

Brown developed from raw talent to very exciting as a rookie when he started for a hurt Avery Bradley. He came back his sophomore year and had amazing development in all phases of his game. In the playoffs, even though he got hurt and played so for the last games in the series, he grew again and was the best Celtics on the floor most nights, even scoring 30+ points in two games becoming the youngest Celtic to ever score 30 points in a playoff game.

He has struggled through 4 games. I am going to wait and see before making declarative statements on any of the Celtic players this year and the team as a whole. Let's not forget, this team was 2-2 after 4 games last year as well.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2018, 12:25:17 PM »

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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2018, 12:44:53 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.
says the guy who proclaimed Fultz to be a highly valuable trade chip in the Kawhi sweepstakes as well as the same guy who treats everyone in Celtic green as a scrub while players on other teams are always so much better than the ones we have.

your talent evaluation isn't the greatest.

at some point Brown will get his mojo back.   if nothing else, he'll be better than Green if for no other reason than he'll put more effort in on defense every night

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2018, 12:52:56 PM »

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Jaylen will be fine. He is an determined hardworking smart player. We need time to gel. It will happen in the coming games. I am looking forward to April not October.
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2018, 01:06:06 PM »

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This team is in neutral waiting for the two projected alpha dogs to get back to 100%. Both are not, at this point in the season, and one of them is on limited minutes with no back to back games.

The kids seem to not want to overstep while waiting for and allowing the Gordon Hayward of his Utah Jazz days and the Kyrie of last year to come back. 

The truth is, we don't know what the true status of Hayward and Kyrie really is. But I can see that Gordon is looking better and better, and the same can be said of Kyrie.

In the meantime hold the fort.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2018, 01:10:04 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team). 

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2018, 01:24:13 PM »

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I love these threads.

I don’t remember seeing these though when he was dropping almost 20 a night in the playoffs last year.
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2018, 01:25:23 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

I love this. Thanks for giving us precedent to make comparisons via raw numbers.

Since you’re so great at it, let’s pull up first and second year Kobe Bryant numbers and place them next to Jaylen Brown’s. They’re incredibly similar, would you say that comparing the two of them is fair?

No, you wouldn’t. A bit of advice, look up the term confirmation bias.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2018, 01:29:51 PM »

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His recipe for success was to attack the basket and lurk for the corner three.    No one is really attacking the basket this year save Kyrie.   We are literally living and dying by the three and a team of jumpshooters.  This has to change.

TP.  Totally agree.  Kevin Mchale was talking about this during the NBATV Broadcase.  The Magic were killing the C's in the paint and he was clamoring for the C's to do the same.  Every time he did the C's would go to the paint and get an easy bucket.  They'd make a run and the Magic would hit a 3.  The c's kept trying to make a run by hitting jumpers.  If they would have pounded the paint the outcome would have been different.  Not sure if the length of Bamba and Isaac scared the C's but man it was a poorly shot game.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2018, 01:36:17 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2018, 01:37:11 PM »

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I love these threads.

I don’t remember seeing these though when he was dropping almost 20 a night in the playoffs last year.
Yeah, well, that's the question, isn't it?  What happened...
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