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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2018, 11:37:16 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2018, 11:41:25 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?
I always thought that was the silliest criticism of him. Can’t believe it still persists
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2018, 11:44:04 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?
I mean if he spend the time of talking in Harvard(?) into reading the game he will be better a player than he was.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2018, 11:47:29 AM »

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Playing playoff defense is taxing and very aggressive I feel it can overflow into offensive decisions He injured his hamstring and that was bound to have had some impact but heplayed through it-i'm just glad they made it in one piece.
Both are young guys were not getting calls..

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2018, 11:48:51 AM »

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Sometimes I see the potential in Jaylen and he looks like a future Dominique Wilkins, and other times he looks like Jeff Green.

 I think the obvious issues of tightening up his ball handle and learning to let the game come more to him, are secondary to him developing a consistent mental picture of himself when he's on the floor. Sometimes Jaylen looks uninterested and like he's not having a very good time.

I've watched him for 2 years now, and still, I'm not sure who he will be.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2018, 11:49:29 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?
I mean if he spend the time of talking in Harvard(?) into reading the game he will be better a player than he was.
C’mon man. This is just like that thread about video games compromising athletes careers or whatever
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2018, 11:56:59 AM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

I think tatum is a lot more polished than brown. more creative off the dribble and seems like a more consistent shooter... with that being said brown has come along way and should continue to do so.. I don't think anyone is down on him.. just that he gets stripped and blocked way too many times in the lane for his level of athleticism... also his feel for the game needs to improve as he can be robotic at times.. He's is a great young player and should improve but we probably wont see it stat wise with kyrie and Hayward coming back

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2018, 11:59:59 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?
I mean if he spend the time of talking in Harvard(?) into reading the game he will be better a player than he was.
C’mon man. This is just like that thread about video games compromising athletes careers or whatever
At least that's what i feel from my life experience, you spend time into one thing you get rewarded, and i can't see talking in Harvard will help more as a basketball player, thats it.

If he is a basketball junky who spend any minute thinking about basketball he will be better a player than he was, thats what i mean for "flaws as a player"

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2018, 12:05:04 PM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

I second that. I'm beyond thrilled about Tatum, like most. But if Jaylen Brown, theoretically, put a season together anything close to these playoffs, he's probably an All-Star. Heck with this current season's performance, I'd put him in the category of "above average starter." Hopefully, next season he earns the role of "starter on a championship-level team."

That's great. That's a great place to be as a No. 3 pick in his second season. He'll improve his all-around game - specifically handle and passing, I'd say - because he's an incredible worker who knows how to improve.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2018, 12:12:20 PM »

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Jaylen's biggest flaw is his basketball IQ, followed by his handle.  And I don't mean compared to a star player, I mean compared to players his own age.  So while it stands to reason that both can improve over time, it doesn't make sense that he would ever be above average in either regard. 

That's what should give people pause regarding Jaylen's stock as a future star.  I'd put an over/under of all star appearances for Jaylen at 2 and probably would pick the under.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2018, 12:20:33 PM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him
Can you expand on #2?
I mean if he spend the time of talking in Harvard(?) into reading the game he will be better a player than he was.
C’mon man. This is just like that thread about video games compromising athletes careers or whatever
At least that's what i feel from my life experience, you spend time into one thing you get rewarded, and i can't see talking in Harvard will help more as a basketball player, thats it.

If he is a basketball junky who spend any minute thinking about basketball he will be better a player than he was, thats what i mean for "flaws as a player"

This is ridiculous. The same drive and dedication that leads him to these interesting off-court endeavors is what led to his dedication and practice over last summer, and his massive improvement. If he hadn't done that, you might have a point, but he did, which pretty much blows your theory out of the water.

Most other NBA players spend their offseason downtime playing video games and smoking weed. Would you suggest he do that?

You're also flat wrong on #3. Every player has his ups and downs. Jaylen's monthly averages over the 17-18 season were very steady, esp. for a young player.


Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2018, 12:20:33 PM »

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Our expectations are way too high. He improved a lot this year and next year with Hayward back he will be asked to do less while he works on his handle, passing, mid range, and decision making. With Hayward back, Jaylen can settle in as a 3 & D player where he is already one of the best in the NBA.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2018, 12:26:52 PM »

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I can't help but wonder what this board would have been like in the 1980s.

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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2018, 02:00:12 PM »

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Our expectations are way too high. He improved a lot this year and next year with Hayward back he will be asked to do less while he works on his handle, passing, mid range, and decision making. With Hayward back, Jaylen can settle in as a 3 & D player where he is already one of the best in the NBA.

he needs to keep driving to the rim as well. settle in as 3 and D my butt.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2018, 02:04:45 PM »

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I can't help but wonder what this board would have been like in the 1980s.

"Danny Ainge shot 29%/17%/27%/27% from 3pt in his first four years. HE'S NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT!!!!!"
Danny Ainge took fewer than 200 three-point shots total over the first five years of his career, so those percentages don't mean much.
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