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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2018, 07:33:43 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

No kidding, he’s awful, right? ::)

Jaylen sucked last night. But he took, for the most part, high percentage shots. They didn’t fall for him and it happened to be the same night that it happened for everyone else. I’m a vacuum, you still take those same shots.

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I was being sarcastic, there, and since when are you a vacuum ;) ;D?

Totally got the sarcasm, was agreeing with you. :)

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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2018, 08:32:43 PM »

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All his weaknesses that people are pointing out a year ago were a lot worse his rookie season and he improved throughout this season.  He's doing just fine and just needs to continue doing what he's doing.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2018, 08:38:21 PM »

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Jaylen's improvement in the paint with the ball this year was hard to miss.  Still a ways to go, but vastly improved.  He also improved his 3-point shot, his mid-range pop and his defense.  Like Avery Bradley, hope he improves every year.  Looks like a good bet.   

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 08:40:21 PM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 08:43:33 PM »

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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2018, 08:52:59 PM »

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Dude is 21 and one of the best prospects in the whole league. He's also a super hard worker who is bound to figure it out.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2018, 09:53:23 PM »

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In general terms, I'd have to say a significant lack of skill, not to mention an absence of intelligence (well, at least on the court, anyway, imo). Dude got exposed last night.

Yeah, what have you done for us lately, Jaylen?

Right? Trade that bum! ;D

No kidding, he’s awful, right? ::)

Jaylen sucked last night. But he took, for the most part, high percentage shots. They didn’t fall for him and it happened to be the same night that it happened for everyone else. I’m a vacuum, you still take those same shots.

Mike

I was being sarcastic, there, and since when are you a vacuum ;) ;D?

Totally got the sarcasm, was agreeing with you. :)

Can't stand being stuck in a vacuum. Claustrophobic.

Mike

Ah, my mistake, and I hate to do this, but doesn't being stuck in a vacuum just...suck ;) ::) ;D? #Groan

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2018, 08:44:00 AM »

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The repeatedly driving into 2-3 other players thing in the last couple of games was a surprise since that's a sign of a player that isn't making good decisions.  He had made huge strides this season understanding what are good driving opportunities to drive vs. just having the ability to beat his man.

Long-term I don't worry about this at all because he clearly made huge gains in understanding how to attack NBA defenses this year, but it is sad that he wasn't perfect in the ECF.



Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 09:01:07 AM »

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We're holding him to a pretty high standard here. He's 21 years old and was asked to carry a huge burden in getting an undermanned, beat up team almost to the finals.

He had 9 turnovers in the series. Lebron had 8 in game 7 alone.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 09:14:44 AM »

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When we drafted him we know his flaws:
1.More a athlete than a basketball player
2.Have too much interest in other area outside of basketball
3.Too Hot and Cold
They all show up in this year's run

That said yes we are putting a high standard on him

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2018, 10:13:28 AM »

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Brown and Tatum spent the regular season settling in as regular NBA starters for the first time in their lives. They played as 3rd/4th options, taking 10-11 shots per game. Their job was to play off Kyrie and Al. They only occasionally were counted on to break the defense.

After Kyrie dropped out, they took on responsibility for carrying the offense, which is a whole different thing. This is usually something a great young player needs a few years to grow into. They pulled it off well enough to come within a few shots of carrying the team to the finals. Jaylen in particular had no drop off in efficiency. The only rational reaction is to be thrilled at the nearly unprecedented growth of our young players.

The rest of the league is terrified.

Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2018, 10:32:14 AM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

TP.

I agree. Jaylen Brown literally needs to brush up his footwork, his handling, and making more smarter decisions along with taking careful FT's and he is going to be a monster.

Tatum is the more smoother shooter, but Brown has been knocking down 3's just the same.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2018, 11:12:32 AM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

TP. I am ecstatic for both, but people seem to be brushing what Jaylen did under the rug. In game 6 where Tatum didn't exactly play aggressive on the road, Jaylen was a monster. 27 points on good splits I believe.


I wish I could copy and paste this explanation into a note that I could shove in peoples faces when they start to talk about Brown. He had a phenomenal playoffs for a 21 year old.
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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2018, 11:19:32 AM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

TP. I am ecstatic for both, but people seem to be brushing what Jaylen did under the rug. In game 6 where Tatum didn't exactly play aggressive on the road, Jaylen was a monster. 27 points on good splits I believe.


I wish I could copy and paste this explanation into a note that I could shove in peoples faces when they start to talk about Brown. He had a phenomenal playoffs for a 21 year old.

Yeah, even with a downright bad Game 7, he still led the team in scoring this series, with a higher 3PT% and fewer turnovers than Tatum.  He will get better, which should encourage fans and scare the rest of the league.


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Re: Jaylen Brown's biggest flaw
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2018, 11:29:07 AM »

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I am going to unapologetically stand up for Jaylen.  He averaged 18.0 pts/gm in the playoffs (including a game where he was injured and scored just 2).  Just for context, Tatum averaged 18.5  Brown was 47% fg% and 39% 3P%.  Tatum was 47% and 32%.  The point is not to play the 2 against each other but to show that both are really good.  Yet all you hear is how great Tatum is and what Brown needs to work on or who we should trade him for.

Jaylen essentially scored as well as Tatum but is a notably better defender at both the 2 and the 3.  It was Brown that was chosen to cover LeBron.  He didn't stop him, no one does, but he held his own.

Brown does need to work on his handle (to me he shows flashes but is not consistent), his free throws, and his passing but I he is going to figure this out.  He also did succumb to the the pressure in Game 7 and shot poorly (while still playing good defense and getting 6 rebounds).

I understand why people are so excited about Tatum but I don't understand the lack of excitement for Brown.  Brown is a budding star who has fully developed physical strength but needs to work on handle and passing.  Tatum is a budding star who has that smooth thing but at his current level of strength can be pushed around on defense (his biggest flaw).

Also, I think it is a trap to put too much into Tatum is ahead because Brown is a year older.  Tatum was better groomed as a youth and then played at Duke. Brown was more of a raw talent that went to U-Cal Berkeley.  I don't think it is wrong to just take them at face value, especially their play in the playoffs.  We are really lucky to have both.

TP. I am ecstatic for both, but people seem to be brushing what Jaylen did under the rug. In game 6 where Tatum didn't exactly play aggressive on the road, Jaylen was a monster. 27 points on good splits I believe.


I wish I could copy and paste this explanation into a note that I could shove in peoples faces when they start to talk about Brown. He had a phenomenal playoffs for a 21 year old.

Yeah, even with a downright bad Game 7, he still led the team in scoring this series, with a higher 3PT% and fewer turnovers than Tatum.  He will get better, which should encourage fans and scare the rest of the league.
Amen to all this.

Jaylen improved his handle tremendously as the season went on. His finishing at the rim took major leaps forward. He's incorpirated a Euro step into his driving arsenal. As the season progessed he started seeing the floor better, passing out to three point shooters more often and hitting some nifty passes in transition. His FT shooting was bad but took a step forward the last two months as his FT % after the All-Star break was 79.4%. He showed some mid range pop and was a pretty consistent 40% shooter from 3 all year(except in game 7).And his defense was All-Defense worthy all year.

Brown is going to be an animal next year if he improves in year 3 as much as he did year 2. Couple that with a huge jump in Tatum and the Cs could be looking at having 5 players as being All-Star worthy.